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boogerlad

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Hi, I'm a Canadian. I've been dating my girlfriend since last June. She left Canada in September to Japan. Now we want to get married. She called an immigration consultant in Canada yesterday, and she revealed we have two options. We can either get married in Japan, and she applies for permanent residence outside of Canada, or we can get engaged in Japan, and then get married later in Canada. For the first option, I will need my birth certificate, proof I've never been married and my passport. Do we need anything else? What exactly is "proof I've never been married"? What does that document look like?

For the second option, I will need an engagement ring, and an engagement letter. What exactly is an engagement letter? Can I write it myself? If not, who do I ask and how much does it cost? Do I need any other documents? How is this even an option? If the premise for a visitor visa is they promise they will leave at the indicated time, how does the intention of getting married satisfy that?
 
boogerlad said:
Hi, I'm a Canadian. I've been dating my girlfriend since last June. She left Canada in September to Japan. Now we want to get married. She called an immigration consultant in Canada yesterday, and she revealed we have two options. We can either get married in Japan, and she applies for permanent residence outside of Canada, or we can get engaged in Japan, and then get married later in Canada. For the first option, I will need my birth certificate, proof I've never been married and my passport. Do we need anything else? What exactly is "proof I've never been married"? What does that document look like?

When I got married in Korea, they required I go to the Canadian Embassy and signed an affidavit that i've never been married. That was all the proof needed.

For the second option, I will need an engagement ring, and an engagement letter. What exactly is an engagement letter? Can I write it myself? If not, who do I ask and how much does it cost? Do I need any other documents? How is this even an option? If the premise for a visitor visa is they promise they will leave at the indicated time, how does the intention of getting married satisfy that?

You can get engaged however you want. How or where you get engaged is pretty irrelevant to anything in terms of immigration.
 
If we do get engaged, how can she pass the Canadian border? She can't lie about her intentions. If her goal is to get married with me, then wouldn't she get rejected because she can't promise to leave by the end of the visitor visa? Is the only real option to get married in Japan? I'm not sure if paying for an immigration consultant will help.
 
boogerlad said:
If we do get engaged, how can she pass the Canadian border? She can't lie about her intentions. If her goal is to get married with me, then wouldn't she get rejected because she can't promise to leave by the end of the visitor visa? Is the only real option to get married in Japan? I'm not sure if paying for an immigration consultant will help.

It's not illegal for a visitor to enter Canada to get married here. Countless people have done this with no problems. Once she gets married in Canada, she is not chained here. So just arrive with a return ticket dated less than 6 months later, luggage typical of a visitor, proof of funds to support her stay, etc. Of course once you enter Canada, she can then apply to extend her visitor status as needed. You just need to show you are prepared to leave within 6 months, you don't actually have to do it as long as you can extend status. If she can't extend her status, then she would actually need to leave.

Also while it's ok to tell CBSA you are getting married, it's probably not a good idea to travel with any farewell letters or cards from her friends/family in Japan, including goodbye messages on her phone. CBSA is looking to see that she is really a visitor, and is not entering to live in Canada forever.

And an immigration consultant won't be able to help anything, as the only thing that matters is how she presents herself to CBSA. I wouldn't worry though, it's a pretty common situation.
 
Hi, I'm Japanese and I applied Outland and was approved in 2014 so I might be able to offer some pointers.

The only thing CBSA is interested in when your girlfriend arrives in Canada is if she understands the conditions of her stay (that she cannot work or study, that she cannot stay indefinitely, and that if she wants to stay in Canada long-term, she needs to apply for PR). To demonstrate that, a return ticket would be helpful, though not mandatory. If you are applying for PR immediately after marriage, you could pay the fees for her PR application in advance and bring the receipt. That will help demonstrate that she is trying to stay in Canada legally and understands the rules.

My husband and I were married in Japan (no wedding ceremony, just submitted documents at city hall) and we applied immediately after the marriage. It took city hall about a week or 10 days to update my koseki so that I can get a new updated koseki tohon with my new marital status. I think I've heard that in Canada it may take a bit longer to get the marriage certificate.

For the proof that you are legally free to marry, she should make an appointment at the Canadian consulate in Japan, (don't do it at the last moment, because if you can't get an appointment, you can't get married) and when you are in Japan, you go to your appointment, meet the notary and sign an affidavit saying that you are single and able to marry.

As Rob_TO said, as far as immigration is concerned, engagement is irrelevant. The only ways for you to sponsor her for PR would be to marry her, or cohabit for a minimum of 12 consecutive months.

I came to Canada after submitting my PR application. As I was already married and my husband was in Canada, I thought CBSA might be a bit skeptical about my 5-months-long "visit". I came prepared with proof of my PR application, the email saying my husband was approved as my sponsor (stage 1 approval), a return ticket (which I refunded the next day), over 10,000 CAD for my stay and two very large suitcases. At passport control the officer barely looked at me and asked me less than 5 questions. She asked when I'm leaving and I gave the date of my return ticket, she asked where my husband works, and where he lives. She didn't ask if I've applied for PR (she may have had that info on her screen though, I don't know.) and that was it.

So it's best to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. Most people don't have any problem getting in. The best thing is to NOT lie, be open and honest, but don't offer more information than asked. Just answer questions truthfully. (It would Not be a great idea for her to vaguely say "visiting some friends" - she should just say she's coming to visit you, or to marry you. When I visited my then-boyfriend the officer seemed very suspicious when I vaguely said "visiting some friends, going kayaking" and while I luckily did not get sent to secondary for questioning, I sweated a lot while she asked a few more questions...)

And you may not have read up much about Inland/Outland, but here's my 2 cents anyway. As a Japanese citizen she should apply Outland. It's way faster than Inland and doesn't restrict her movements. (Inland requires her to stay in Canada for the entire duration of processing, no matter how many years it takes.) She can physically be in Canada when she applies Outland. She can give a Canadian mailing address and still apply Outland. A lot of people apply Outland and still wait it out in Canada, like I did. She can't work until she gets PR, but it'll only be a few months.

Ask away if you have any questions! :)
 
Hi All, sorry to resurrect and old thread but if really appreciate if someone can answer my question.

Can anyone please tell me what documents my fiancee needs to bring to Canada to get married here in Toronto? Would it be the passport and Koseki Tohon? Would the Koseki Tohon need to be translated and if yes, does it matter who does the translation? This is so that we can get a marriage license.

Thanks very much!