Let's talk, how CEC can get more points than FSW ??

[Frollo888]

hey guys I was just thinking that this is a bit weird.... anybody ever think about it ?

usually people that apply through the CEC is because they have
- no education
- no high english
- no other work exp
since the requirements are to have only 1 year work exp in canada

so let me say this is for people who are not skilled, who are already working in canada and willing to stay.
But even if you have worked 5 years in canada your CRS will be very low....

Back in time (before EE) you could go through the CEC after working in canada and you could get the PR straight away, while now they put you in the pool with all the other categories.... am I right ??



people who apply through the FSW can do it from outside canada and do not need work exp in canada but needs
- education ECA
- higher english
- other work exp

so let me say, if they are skilled worker and want to immigrate to canada, they calculate the points and their CRS will be pretty high because of many factors....


so from this point of view most of the people under the CEC will never have more points of the FSW !!
unless they of course have also - high english and -education at same level of a FSW candidate
but it make no sense since who use the CEC is because he can't meet the requirements of the FSW !!

so how a person under the CEC can ever be selected ??
the only think they can do is to go back to school AND be better in english because just one of this two requirements is not enough to get enough points

Let me know your thoughs

 

[scylla]

You should do more research on the CEC program. It's not for people with no skilled work experience. And just having 1 year of any kind work experience in Canada doesn't mean you qualify.

 

[crescent_jam]

hey guys I was just thinking that this is a bit weird.... anybody ever think about it ?

usually people that apply through the CEC is because they have
- no education
- no high english
- no other work exp
since the requirements are to have only 1 year work exp in canada

so let me say this is for people who are not skilled, who are already working in canada and willing to stay.
But even if you have worked 5 years in canada your CRS will be very low....

Back in time (before EE) you could go through the CEC after working in canada and you could get the PR straight away, while now they put you in the pool with all the other categories.... am I right ??



people who apply through the FSW can do it from outside canada and do not need work exp in canada but needs
- education ECA
- higher english
- other work exp

so let me say, if they are skilled worker and want to immigrate to canada, they calculate the points and their CRS will be pretty high because of many factors....


so from this point of view most of the people under the CEC will never have more points of the FSW !!
unless they of course have also - high english and -education at same level of a FSW candidate
but it make no sense since who use the CEC is because he can't meet the requirements of the FSW !!

so how a person under the CEC can ever be selected ??
the only think they can do is to go back to school AND be better in english because just one of this two requirements is not enough to get enough points

Let me know your thoughs

Hey Frollo888,
I'm not sure if your first premise about CEC is correct though (the one about people who apply through CEC having no education, no strong English skills, and no other work experience other than 1 year of work in Canada).

I'm sure there are potential CEC prospects who DO fall under the criteria you outlined, but there are also CEC applicants who have higher education, very strong English skills, and work experience both in and outside of Canada, in excess of 1 year. It is likely that most of these people also qualify for FSW. The majority of CEC applicants with whom I have interacted generally tend to be persons who either went to Canada to pursue higher education and then got a job there for a year or two following the end of their studies, or persons whose companies transferred them to Canada for a year or more...

While I can't be certain, I suspect the majority of CEC applicants who get ITAs fall into the category of persons I've described because, as you pointed out, persons who fall under the criteria you outlined would probably have difficulty getting a high enough CRS score for an ITA.

But CEC prospects in this situation shouldn't despair. Where there's a will there's a way. I work in HR and recruiting and I always tell disappointed job applicants that the key to success is to keep being persistent AND to keep working on personal and professional development because, with these two ingredients, eventually they will be one of the top candidates for a job to which they apply.

The same holds true here. They should:

• Go back to school (if they can afford it)
• Work on their English skills (don't just watch TV and read in English but also practice speaking and writing it because the English Language is, really and truly, a hot mess and unless you practice writing and speaking as well, you will never be able to master is) (I am thankful everyday that my native language is English because I don't know how 'English-as-a-second-language' persons do it - they must be geniuses!
• If they currently have a NOC Skill Type/Level 0, A or B job, continue to work hard in their jobs so they can keep them and continue to gain additional years of work experience (whether inside or outside of Canada)
• If they DON'T currently have a NOC Skill Type/Level 0, A or B job, start job searching for a new job that falls into these categories

They will get there in the end!

 

[Frollo888]

Hi crescent_jam ! Thanks for sharing you thoughts !

I know there are people under CEC that are well qualified, but that is not the point
I mean the Minimum requirements for CEC have been designed in order to allow people who are working in canada to get a PR even though they don't have high education or high english.
They don't have to provide an ECA and just need CLB 7 or 5 if NOC 0-A o B

I mean a person that qualify under the program because reach only the minimum requirements, but no more than that, will never be selected.
so what's the point in having this category ?

as soon as a person under CEC will get high english and high education it will be eligible to qualify to FSW as well.

Can you describe an hypothetical profile of a person who qualify for CEC but not for FSW and will get enough CRS points ?

 

[DelPiero07]

Hi crescent_jam ! Thanks for sharing you thoughts !

I know there are people under CEC that are well qualified, but that is not the point
I mean the Minimum requirements for CEC have been designed in order to allow people who are working in canada to get a PR even though they don't have high education or high english.
They don't have to provide an ECA and just need CLB 7 or 5 if NOC 0-A o B

I mean a person that qualify under the program because reach only the minimum requirements, but no more than that, will never be selected.
so what's the point in having this category ?

as soon as a person under CEC will get high english and high education it will be eligible to qualify to FSW as well.

Can you describe an hypothetical profile of a person who qualify for CEC but not for FSW and will get enough CRS points ?

The bolded part simply isn't true:

Someone who doesn't have a year of continuous work experience wouldn't qualify under the FSW program but can qualify under the CEC program.

Also,

Someone who does not have the required funds wouldn't qualify under the FSW program but would qualify under the CEC program.