Is WES wrong?

[cubk]

I obtained the following diploma from Cambridge university years ago and it has helped my career tremendously:

http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/teaching-english/teaching-qualifications/delta/

More about this diploma:

"Cambridge ESOL's Delta qualification for teachers is at the same academic level as a Master's degree or a professional diploma in the UK, Ireland and other European Countries. This is a result of Delta being placed at level 7 of the UK government’s Qualification and Credit Framework (QCF), making it the only English language teaching diploma currently included at this level. Those who pass Delta can now accumulate a total of 60 QCF credits broken down into 20 for Understanding Language, Methodology and Resources for Teaching, 20 for Developing Professional Practice and 20 for Extending Practice and ELT Specialism."

You can get a better idea about what level 7 means by reading here:

https://www.gov.uk/what-different-qualification-levels-mean/list-of-qualification-levels

Moving on to my story with WES, I sent them my diploma to be assessed and this was their reply:

I honestly don't understand their response. The diploma is an academic qualification and it provides an excellent bridge for those who wish to pursue further academic qualifications related to TEFL at Masters level.

Can someone please explain to me what's going on here?

Should I try a different agency and hope I'll get the desired ECA?

 

[cubk]

Anyone?

EDIT:

I just realized that WES's reply is somehow missing from the OP, here it is:

"Dear Mr. X,

This is in response to your recent communication regarding the evaluation completed on June 23, 2017. Thank you for your correspondence. Please be advised that upon review of the CELTA/DELTA programs it has been determined that they represent the equivalent of completion of vocational study and training. As such, World Education Services does not produce evaluation reports for these programs. We would like to stress that evaluations prepared by World Education Services are offered as advisory opinions and, as such, they are not binding upon any institution or organization. Sincerely, Director of Evaluations"

 

[Gorbzilla]

Hi,

Your attached image isn't showing on my browser, it may be the same for everyone else (might just be me). Can you re-upload, or better yet use an image hosting site (like imgur) and then provide a link?

Alternatively please type out what the response from WES was?

 

[cubk]

Hi,

Your attached image isn't showing on my browser, it may be the same for everyone else (might just be me). Can you re-upload, or better yet use an image hosting site (like imgur) and then provide a link?

Alternatively please type out what the response from WES was?

This was their reply (for some reason, I can't edit the OP)

"Dear Mr. X,

This is in response to your recent communication regarding the evaluation completed on June 23, 2017. Thank you for your correspondence. Please be advised that upon review of the CELTA/DELTA programs it has been determined that they represent the equivalent of completion of vocational study and training.

As such, World Education Services does not produce evaluation reports for these programs. We would like to stress that evaluations prepared by World Education Services are offered as advisory opinions and, as such, they are not binding upon any institution or organization. Sincerely, Director of Evaluations"

 

[LHR-2147]

I had to complain to WES about both mine and my spouse's qualifications as they got both wrong. They did change it on appeal though so its worth emailing them to tell them you disagree and the reason why.

 

[Gorbzilla]

Yep go for the appeal, make every effort to back up your argument as I imagine you only have one attempt at an appeal.

Best of luck! Please do return here after the appeal and post an update as I'm sure it'll help others in the future - it seems like a fairly niche course.

 

[cubk]

Yep go for the appeal, make every effort to back up your argument as I imagine you only have one attempt at an appeal.

Best of luck! Please do return here after the appeal and post an update as I'm sure it'll help others in the future - it seems like a fairly niche course.

It helped me land a job at the British council as an English teacher. I applied multiple times along the years before obtaining the diploma, but only got the job after receiving my DELTA qualification.

Anyhow, thanks for your encouragement. Any suggestions on how to make a successful appeal? I've written an email that I haven't sent to WES yet because I am trying to back up my argument in every way possible.

I still don't know what they mean by a vocational course, but obtaining the DELTA involved a lot of academic theoretical learning, analysis and research. Any idea on what makes a certain program "vocational" and what it makes it academic? Understanding that will help me make a compelling case and give me a better chance at changing their minds.

Thanks.

 

[Gorbzilla]

Unfortunately I don't have any experience or knowledge of appeals - probably best to search these forums as I'm sure there's help out there.

I think the main issue you'll have is that WES say they do not provide equivalencies for vocational courses, and the site you linked clearly states this is a Diploma. Have WES charged you for this?

Also, have you looked in to other equivalency services such as ICAS? (not sure if its the same story with them..).

 

[cubk]

Unfortunately I don't have any experience or knowledge of appeals - probably best to search these forums as I'm sure there's help out there.

I think the main issue you'll have is that WES say they do not provide equivalencies for vocational courses, and the site you linked clearly states this is a Diploma. Have WES charged you for this?

Also, have you looked in to other equivalency services such as ICAS? (not sure if its the same story with them..).

I will be sending the diploma to ICAS if the appeal isn't successful.

If I do that, do I need to get my other degrees reassessed as well? Because WES assessed my bachelor's degree positively and I am content with their report on that one. My problem is only with the DELTA assessment. So the question becomes; can I upload two assessment reports from two different service providers to my express entry profile? (WES for my bachelor's, ICAS for my diploma, for example)

EDIT:

Yes, WES did charge me to get my diploma assessed.

 

[Gorbzilla]

I would recommend (if you haven't already) that you go to the BritishExpats forums (the Immigration & Citizenship (Canada) section), and ask your queries. It is much more focused on people who have lived and studied in the UK and I hope that someone there will be able to give you much clearer guidance.

I use it regularly and it's proven invaluable (so has this forum, I use both to give me the most amount of information, but this forum is much better). Introduce yourself and then ask away, everyone is really helpful.

Interesting question regarding having qualifications assessed from two different services, logically this shouldn't be an issue but I can't give you a definitive answer..

EDIT: that sucks that WES charged you and didnt even give you an evaluation! I'd ask for your money back if you are unsuccessful, since they haven't actually done anything..

 

[Ftita]

I will be sending the diploma to ICAS if the appeal isn't successful.

If I do that, do I need to get my other degrees reassessed as well? Because WES assessed my bachelor's degree positively and I am content with their report on that one. My problem is only with the DELTA assessment. So the question becomes; can I upload two assessment reports from two different service providers to my express entry profile? (WES for my bachelor's, ICAS for my diploma, for example)

EDIT:

Yes, WES did charge me to get my diploma assessed.

Hello,
Can you please update us on the DELTA assessment issue. Were you able to get is positively assessed?
Thank you

 

[SithLord]

Hey yes, WES can be wrong. My ECA came out wrong as well and I appealed and got my ECA successfully changed with the help of my university I got hold of my supervisor who later had the university send out an official letter stating the credentials of my qualifications and how it is considered equivalent to a one year program.

I will strongly advise you to appeal If that doesn't work there is always IQAS

 

[OlgaGladyr]

Hello,
Could you please update us on the DELTA assessment issue. Did you manage to get it assessed?
Thank you

 

[OlgaGladyr]

My e-mail to ICAS:
Does ICAS assess such diploma as Cambridge DELTA which is Diploma in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages. It is provided by Cambridge English Language Assessment and accredited in the UK by the Office of Qualifications and Examinations Regulation (Ofqual) at Level 7 on the Regulated Qualifications Framework (RQF) and is a 60-credit qualification. Level 7 equates to Master’s level in terms of content.

ICAS's response:
Thank you for your enquiry.
While it can be listed in the report, no meaningful assessment can be provided for a program that requires less than one year of full-time study. One year of full-time study is 120 credits.

 

[Aaqee]

I will be sending the diploma to ICAS if the appeal isn't successful.

If I do that, do I need to get my other degrees reassessed as well? Because WES assessed my bachelor's degree positively and I am content with their report on that one. My problem is only with the DELTA assessment. So the question becomes; can I upload two assessment reports from two different service providers to my express entry profile? (WES for my bachelor's, ICAS for my diploma, for example)

EDIT:

Yes, WES did charge me to get my



Can I have an update on this? I'm having the same issue and would like to know if you succeeded in changing the evaluation. Thanks. Pls help