Is there ANY way for a disability pensioner with no education or work experience to get PR?

[Vokun_]

Hello! I am a 30 year old male from Norway looking to move to Canada for a couple of years (to begin with) as I need a long term change of environment and want to experience some new things and other quality of life reasons. I'm a disability pensioner with no higher education or work experience. I have a few personality disorders, mild autism and a neurological disorder (nothing dangerous or cause for being medically inadmissible) and my disability prevents me from working normally but I am still physically functional and completely able to take care of myself. Thanks to my pension I am economically secured for life, however, there doesn't seem to be any way for me at all to actually get permanent residency there in any way and I have spent hours upon hours for a long time doing research trying to find a way to be able to live there permanently.

I should also mention that my disabilities does not incur any increased medical costs. I know Canada declines anyone who is expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services.

I find it really strange that there is no "special case" permanent residence application (that I know) for someone like me to at least get an PR consideration seeing as I would actually benefit Canada by living there as I would be paying taxes, spend my income there and wouldn't be a burden on the Canadian welfare, health care system or other services.

From my research so far there seem to be just three alternatives for me if I want to live in Canada:

Alternative A: Traveling as a visitor and stay for up to 6 months at a time and leave the country only to return ASAP and technically refresh my visitors status for another 6 months unless the border services officer gives me a shorter limit of stay, which sounds just horrible as I wouldn't have a place to live for the other 6+ months of the year if I should be denied entry as I don't have a place to live in Norway and bouncing back and forth between short term rentals 6 months at a time sounds pretty much impossible as finding a place to rent in Norway isn't easy as the demand outweighs availability by a huge amount and most landlords want long term rentals. I cannot afford to rent a home in both countries at the same time and pay for them all year round either. Going back and fort constantly is also making it impossible to settle in anywhere and start a life.

Alternative B: Overstay my visitors status and immigrate illegally. The fact that this seem to be the "best" solution is really disheartening as I don't want to be an illegal immigrant who must live in fear of being discovered and risk being kicked out of the country and banned from ever returning. Another downside if I do this is that even if Canada should make it possible in the future for people like me to live there permanently and I then decide to apply for PR, they would realize I have stayed there illegally in the past and probably deny me for that reason alone, while also sending me a removal order in return.

Alternative C: Humanitarian and Compassionate Considerations. As far as I can tell it's extremely hard to get PR this way and the wait times can be multiple years. I have to have lived in Canada for a few years, settled down, built a life and have a reason for why being kicked out of the country would be cruel, and even then it's no guarantee I could be able to stay. I cant find much information on this method though so I'm not sure how feasible it is.

As for the other legal immigration options it goes like this:

Express entry is impossible due to the lack of education or work experience.

Start-up visa is not possible.

Immigrant Investor is impossible as I don't have the money unfortunatly.

Caregivers is impossible as I have no required skills or experience.

Family sponsorship is impossible as I have no family there.

Self-employed - I was hoping being a pensioner could fall under this category but being a pensioner doesn't seem to be accepted as a valid self-employment despite having guaranteed income. I don't meet any of the other criteria so this is also impossible.

Working Holiday (12-24 months stay) - I'm not sure actually! Would I actually have to find a real job that I can refer to to be eligible for this or could I use this as a loophole to stay in Canada for up to two years while just living off my pension? Anyways, even if I could stay there for two years like this I would dread the day the timer runs out and I'm being forced to move back to Norway.

I have also been thinking about doing charity work as long as it I could get a flexible work schedule when moving to Canada as this would be a great way for me to get out, socialize and meet people. And yes, I know that finding a job that would normally be paid and do this for free is considered to be stealing a job slot from a Canadian citizen and that this is a big no no, so I will grab a job that don't cause any problems like this.

I also got a suggestion from someone on the Canadian immigration subreddit that I could just come to Canada on my 6 month tourist visa, attempt to migrate at the end of the stay, then appeal once I'm denied and try and get a judge to admit me if I could prove that my disability would not make me be a burden on your healthcare system or other social services, which I wouldn't be. Is this actually possible? I have not found any info on the net about this or read about anyone that have actually done this.

Honestly, moving to another country shouldn't feel this impossible when I have the funds to take care of myself and won't cause any trouble but it feels really hopeless in my current situation.

Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated. If anything I wrote is incorrect, extremely unrealistic or impossible please let me know.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hello! I am a 30 year old male from Norway looking to move to Canada for a couple of years (to begin with) as I need a long term change of environment and want to experience some new things and other quality of life reasons. I'm a disability pensioner with no higher education or work experience. I have a few personality disorders, mild autism and a neurological disorder (nothing dangerous or cause for being medically inadmissible) and my disability prevents me from working normally but I am still physically functional and completely able to take care of myself. Thanks to my pension I am economically secured for life, however, there doesn't seem to be any way for me at all to actually get permanent residency there in any way and I have spent hours upon hours for a long time doing research trying to find a way to be able to live there permanently.

I should also mention that my disabilities does not incur any increased medical costs. I know Canada declines anyone who is expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services.

I find it really strange that there is no "special case" permanent residence application (that I know) for someone like me to at least get an PR consideration seeing as I would actually benefit Canada by living there as I would be paying taxes, spend my income there and wouldn't be a burden on the Canadian welfare, health care system or other services.

From my research so far there seem to be just three alternatives for me if I want to live in Canada:

Alternative A: Traveling as a visitor and stay for up to 6 months at a time and leave the country only to return ASAP and technically refresh my visitors status for another 6 months unless the border services officer gives me a shorter limit of stay, which sounds just horrible as I wouldn't have a place to live for the other 6+ months of the year if I should be denied entry as I don't have a place to live in Norway and bouncing back and forth between short term rentals 6 months at a time sounds pretty much impossible as finding a place to rent in Norway isn't easy as the demand outweighs availability by a huge amount and most landlords want long term rentals. I cannot afford to rent a home in both countries at the same time and pay for them all year round either. Going back and fort constantly is also making it impossible to settle in anywhere and start a life.

Alternative B: Overstay my visitors status and immigrate illegally. The fact that this seem to be the "best" solution is really disheartening as I don't want to be an illegal immigrant who must live in fear of being discovered and risk being kicked out of the country and banned from ever returning. Another downside if I do this is that even if Canada should make it possible in the future for people like me to live there permanently and I then decide to apply for PR, they would realize I have stayed there illegally in the past and probably deny me for that reason alone, while also sending me a removal order in return.

Alternative C: Humanitarian and Compassionate Considerations. As far as I can tell it's extremely hard to get PR this way and the wait times can be multiple years. I have to have lived in Canada for a few years, settled down, built a life and have a reason for why being kicked out of the country would be cruel, and even then it's no guarantee I could be able to stay. I cant find much information on this method though so I'm not sure how feasible it is.

As for the other legal immigration options it goes like this:

Express entry is impossible due to the lack of education or work experience.

Start-up visa is not possible.

Immigrant Investor is impossible as I don't have the money unfortunatly.

Caregivers is impossible as I have no required skills or experience.

Family sponsorship is impossible as I have no family there.

Self-employed - I was hoping being a pensioner could fall under this category but being a pensioner doesn't seem to be accepted as a valid self-employment despite having guaranteed income. I don't meet any of the other criteria so this is also impossible.

Working Holiday (12-24 months stay) - I'm not sure actually! Would I actually have to find a real job that I can refer to to be eligible for this or could I use this as a loophole to stay in Canada for up to two years while just living off my pension? Anyways, even if I could stay there for two years like this I would dread the day the timer runs out and I'm being forced to move back to Norway.

I have also been thinking about doing charity work as long as it I could get a flexible work schedule when moving to Canada as this would be a great way for me to get out, socialize and meet people. And yes, I know that finding a job that would normally be paid and do this for free is considered to be stealing a job slot from a Canadian citizen and that this is a big no no, so I will grab a job that don't cause any problems like this.

I also got a suggestion from someone on the Canadian immigration subreddit that I could just come to Canada on my 6 month tourist visa, attempt to migrate at the end of the stay, then appeal once I'm denied and try and get a judge to admit me if I could prove that my disability would not make me be a burden on your healthcare system or other social services, which I wouldn't be. Is this actually possible? I have not found any info on the net about this or read about anyone that have actually done this.

Honestly, moving to another country shouldn't feel this impossible when I have the funds to take care of myself and won't cause any trouble but it feels really hopeless in my current situation.

Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated. If anything I wrote is incorrect, extremely unrealistic or impossible please let me know.

Hi

To be brutally honest, you have no chance of immigrating. Even if your medical conditions wouldn't make you inadmissible (which I doubt), you do not qualify under any of the immigration programs and being from Norway, you have zero chance of H&C.

 

[scylla]

Option A: Won't work long term. Sooner or later you'll be denied entry and will be told you have to return home and stop spending so much time in Canada. Finding a place to rent in Canada is quite difficult in many places as well.
Option B: Bad idea that will give you an extremely hard life here. You'll have trouble doing basic things finding a place to live. You also won't have access to free health care. Something as simple as a broken arm could set you back many thousands of dollars. Plus as you've said, you'll have to live under the constant fear of deportation.
Option C: You simply don't qualify. Zero chance of approval.

You can certainly go the Working Holiday Visa route and use this as way of remaining in Canada for one year. However once that year is over, you'll need to return home.

There's no realistic path for you to immigrate to Canada. You'll have to be satisfied with visiting from time to time.

 

[Vokun_]

Hi

To be brutally honest, you have no chance of immigrating. Even if your medical conditions wouldn't make you inadmissible (which I doubt), you do not qualify under any of the immigration programs and being from Norway, you have zero chance of H&C.

Yup, that's brutal. Why does Canada discriminate so much against pensioners from other countries if there really isn't any reason to do so and any claims I have about my secure income and health can be documented? My medical conditions should not be cause for inadmissibility according to my research, I know I don't incur increased medical costs, I would have health insurance all year, I would bring money into the country and if I get a PR I would even pay taxes to Canada and do some volunteer work. To me it seems like I would benefit Canada by living there and in worst case scenario they wouldn't even know I exist. I understand the need for strict immigration rules, but It just feels like I am being hit by rules and laws made to prevent leechers and criminals from entering the country.

I read something about law changes to make immigration easier for disabled people in the next couple of years because they currently are too strict. Have you heard any of this? I'm not sure if that will just affect regular workers who have disabled children or if it would affect someone like me too.

 

[Vokun_]

Option A: Won't work long term. Sooner or later you'll be denied entry and will be told you have to return home and stop spending so much time in Canada. Finding a place to rent in Canada is quite difficult in many places as well.
Option B: Bad idea that will give you an extremely hard life here. You'll have trouble doing basic things finding a place to live. You also won't have access to free health care. Something as simple as a broken arm could set you back many thousands of dollars. Plus as you've said, you'll have to live under the constant fear of deportation.
Option C: You simply don't qualify. Zero chance of approval.

You can certainly go the Working Holiday Visa route and use this as way of remaining in Canada for one year. However once that year is over, you'll need to return home.

There's no realistic path for you to immigrate to Canada. You'll have to be satisfied with visiting from time to time.

I just signed up for Working Holiday Visa so hopefully I am eligible. The site also told me Norwegians are eligible for an additional year after the first one expires and after that It's also possible to apply to change my IEC status to visitors status which would give me another 6 months stay, which again can be extended for up to one extra year for a fee, but no guarantees. So I guess if I am lucky and all of these are approved I could potentially stay for 3.5 years?

 

[scylla]

I just signed up for Working Holiday Visa so hopefully I am eligible. The site also told me Norwegians are eligible for an additional year after the first one expires and after that It's also possible to apply to change my IEC status to visitors status which would give me another 6 months stay, which again can be extended for up to one extra year for a fee, but no guarantees. So I guess if I am lucky and all of these are approved I could potentially stay for 3.5 years?

Not so fast... A second year of the Working Holiday Visa won't be possible for you unless you are prepared to work.

To participate in a second year, you must either go with the Young Professionals or Co-op stream. The YP stream requires you to have a job offer with an employer in Canada that's related to your profession / professional development. The Co-op stream also requires you to have a job offer in Canada and additionally requires you to be registered in a post secondary studies that includes an internship or co-op requirement in order to graduate.

 

[Vokun_]

Not so fast... A second year of the Working Holiday Visa won't be possible for you unless you are prepared to work.

To participate in a second year, you must either go with the Young Professionals or Co-op stream. The YP stream requires you to have a job offer with an employer in Canada that's related to your profession / professional development. The Co-op stream also requires you to have a job offer in Canada and additionally requires you to be registered in a post secondary studies that includes an internship or co-op requirement in order to graduate.

Alright, thanks for the info. They did state I had to get a completely different job than the previous year to be eligible so I assumed that would be the problem if any. I did not know of all the other things you mentioned.

 

[Rob_TO]

Yup, that's brutal. Why does Canada discriminate so much against pensioners from other countries if there really isn't any reason to do so and any claims I have about my secure income and health can be documented? My medical conditions should not be cause for inadmissibility according to my research, I know I don't incur increased medical costs, I would have health insurance all year, I would bring money into the country and if I get a PR I would even pay taxes to Canada and do some volunteer work. To me it seems like I would benefit Canada by living there and in worst case scenario they wouldn't even know I exist. I understand the need for strict immigration rules, but It just feels like I am being hit by rules and laws made to prevent leechers and criminals from entering the country.

I read something about law changes to make immigration easier for disabled people in the next couple of years because they currently are too strict. Have you heard any of this? I'm not sure if that will just affect regular workers who have disabled children or if it would affect someone like me too.

It's not discrimination at all, it's just that no such immigration program exists for those wanting to retire in Canada. Outside the family class, all immigration streams are for those that have specific skills/work experience that is deemed as desirable to Canada, or have very significant amount of funds and willing to invest in Canadian business.

If you aren't currently a skilled worker, or have funds for investment immigration, then realistically coming from a very safe country there is zero chance to ever get PR status here. As mentioned, you'd have to be satisfied with visiting occasionally.

This also has absolutely nothing to do with your medical conditions, as you would be in the same situation if you were a perfectly healthy individual not meeting the skilled work eligibility.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Yup, that's brutal. Why does Canada discriminate so much against pensioners from other countries if there really isn't any reason to do so and any claims I have about my secure income and health can be documented? My medical conditions should not be cause for inadmissibility according to my research, I know I don't incur increased medical costs, I would have health insurance all year, I would bring money into the country and if I get a PR I would even pay taxes to Canada and do some volunteer work. To me it seems like I would benefit Canada by living there and in worst case scenario they wouldn't even know I exist. I understand the need for strict immigration rules, but It just feels like I am being hit by rules and laws made to prevent leechers and criminals from entering the country.

I read something about law changes to make immigration easier for disabled people in the next couple of years because they currently are too strict. Have you heard any of this? I'm not sure if that will just affect regular workers who have disabled children or if it would affect someone like me too.

It is not discrimination at all. As a PR, you would have full access to the health and social systems. You would get free healthcare, disability, welfare, benefits etc. for the rest of your life. You would cost the system hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more, despite never paying into it because you are unable to work. As much as you say you would never use any of it, that is not realistic and there is no way to ensure that you won't.

The talk about changing medical inadmissibility rules would have no bearing on your situation, as you would need to first qualify for immigration.

 

[vensak]

Before judging something unjust. Try a reversed exercise. Check what would be options for somebody from a third country (for example Canada) to become permanent resident in Norway.
You will see pretty quick that that is no easy task either. Especially if you have no spouse for the family reunion, no money to start a business and no good job offer given for years.