H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

[WellWell2021]

The issue is H&C was never meant to provide a path to PR for a large group of people. What should have happened is limiting who could apply a long time ago even if some genuine H&C cases would no longer qualify. Also removing people faster so there isn’t an ability to apply multiple times or limit how many times you can apply after a refusal to 5-10 yrs for example. When doing immigration planning economic immigration and family sponsorship (spouse and dependent children) make up the largest portion of PR quotas. Multiple groups then have to compete for whatever quota is leftover. It makes no sense to reduce quota for the 2 main priorities to increase target for refugees, protected people, H&C and PGP, etc. The answer was to let less people enter Canada, have prevented families from joining a large portion of temporary residents (now back in place) to create less ties to Canada, decrease supervisa length and stop extensions (should happen but would be very unpopular), tighten TRV vetting to limit visitors who have no intention of returning home, put PGP on pause but also prevent parents from applying for H&C (also very unpopular), etc. Drastic measures are are needed to get our immigration back on track in the shortest amount of time although still looking at 5-20 years.

The government should take another look at the way it advertises immigration. In recent years, it has indirectly sold an unrealistic dream of a warm, humanist Eldorado with an extremely strong immigration system that welcomes everyone. A happy country, where hundreds of thousands of immigrants are accepted, with free healthcare, good job opportunities and salaries, citizenship after three years, and a place where you don’t even really have to integrate you can just live in your own communities. (That’s what they call multiculturalism, often at the expense of interculturalism.) And strangely, that is the only part that feels very real !
Before the media reached this stage, before all the ads, social media posts, and people talking about it, Canada was less accessible. The immigration numbers and programs at the time reflected that. Even though the system was simpler, it accepted fewer people, and in some ways, the programs might have been better than they are now. But everything gradually changed after 2015 2016....

 

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[wiener]

Countries like Germany and Sweden experiencing their own significant immigration issues. Yes Canada expects that people will leave or they will try to make it uncomfortable to remain or remove people. We have already seen tactics that are supposed to entice people to self-deport. Various levels of government lost their minds when it came to immigration for almost a decade and sadly many are going to face some life-altering consequences. You clearly have not lived in Canada long enough if you think separatist sentiment and focus on French is a new issue.

I think European countires like Germany have strategies in place to integrate people on their land and will priortize them for permanent immigration over overseas applicants. It is rare to find people living in Germany or any other European country for several years without PR. Canada immigration policies were best before 2015 where people are eligible for PR after studying master or enroling in PhD for 2 years without the need for Canadian work experience. Nowadays, even international students with years of Canadian work experience are having hard time getting PR.

 

[NickNick22]

Applied on Feb 2nd 2022
Aip received Sept 13, 2024
Ecopr August 15, 2025

Do you know why AIP took so long?

 

[wiener]

The question I keep asking myself is this: if thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of visitors have their extension requests refused, does the government really believe they will all just leave? Or will they actually send patrols to people’s homes to deport them?
the Canadian government is only making the situation worse. It makes no sense. I have never seen the Canadian immigration system as dysfunctional as it has been in recent years. It was definitely not like this before 2015.
There are thousands of asylum cases that have been waiting for years. The same thing happens with humanitarian applications, often sent with thousands of pages that applicants really think officers are going to read. International students who graduate in Canada also struggle to get permanent residency because of the strange point system in many immigration programs. Sometimes the system even gives priority to people abroad, who know nothing about Canada, over those already living here. The justification is that their skills from abroad matter, but often those skills are not even recognized in Canada. On top of that, many of them face real difficulties integrating.
We also see abuse of social assistance, housing help, and other programs.
In Quebec, the CAQ government wants to make the province look like a country inside a country, insisting on a cultural difference that in reality is mostly just about language.
Another problem is the conditions for getting study or work permits, especially the rule that applicants must convince an officer they will leave Canada after their program ends. How is that realistic? After investing tens of thousands of dollars, living, working, and building relationships here, do they really think people will just walk away? Not all students or workers come from rich, stable countries. Expecting them to return home so easily is completely disconnected from reality.
On top of that, the federal level and especially IRCC make everyone, both foreigners and Canadians, wonder what they are doing. A recent article even said some employees were spending their time watching Netflix.
I also wonder why countries that receive a lot of immigration, like Germany or the Nordic countries, do not seem to have the same problems. I am not an expert in public policy, but the difference is quite clear....

I couldn't agree more. The tightening of immigration rules for those with family, work, or education in Canada and favouring applicants overseas who have no ties to Canada based on unreasonable points system will definitely make the situation worse and will force hundreds of thousands of persons to the edge and eventually to apply for asylum. It is like there are no skilled immigrants here in Canada among international students and refugee claimants to bring people from outside of Canada. How it make sense to grant PR to someone who has points on paper or speaking french vs skilled immigrant who is working in Canada for several years and contributing to Canadian society.
On the other hand, I feel like the slow incompetent decision-making process is contributing largely to the growing backlog of refugee and H and C applications. IRCC could have make the process more streamlined by identifying cases with high success rate. I recall reading proposal by Canadian council of refugees urging immigration minister to open PR pathway for refugee claimants who are working in Canada and and are from countries on ADR/TDR list (Countries with high approval rate for asylum). That would be very good approach if implemented and will make difference in resolving the massive backlog of refugee claims.

 

[canuck78]

I know Canadian history quite well, even better than some native Canadians. The difference between Quebec and the other provinces is mostly just the language. Religion used to be a factor too, when most English-speaking provinces were Protestant and Quebec was Catholic, but that has changed. Other provinces gradually became more Catholic as well, and then religion became less important, especially in Quebec during the Quiet Revolution which changed the french Canadian identity to the québécoise one for Quebec..
The 2 cities that really stand out are Quebec City (better than Montreal) and Montreal . Otherwise, Quebec suburbs are much like other Canadian and North American suburbs in general. The lifestyle, cultural references which are increasingly globalized, (thankfully) and the systems people live under are very similar.
Some people like to say that Quebec is more social-democratic than the other provinces, which are supposedly more American-style capitalist, but this is mostly an economic difference rather than a cultural one. It shouldn’t be generalized either, because Canada as a whole is social-democratic and less capitalist than the United States, for example.
I would also add that separatist and sovereignist dont mean the same thing. A separatist wants to separate from Canada but a sovereignist in Quebec context is someone who prioritizes their Quebec identity over their attachment to Canada they are Quebecois first, Canadian second. (Even if every Canadian or every province has its own specificities not just La belle province de René Lévesque....)
Regarding immigration issues in Canada compared to other countries, I find that it’s only here that processing times are so long. More than a year of processing why? Two or Three years for h&c Let’s calculate the number of working days times three… what on earth are they doing?! I also want to emphasize that this toughening of rules that the Canadian government claims to apply is either a populist strategy to calm anti-immigration sentimentwhich can make sense as long as it isn’t racist or reactionaryor government advisors just want to completely mess up society here. Toughening rules overnight will only have the opposite effect. This isn’t the United States, which has a long history of strict and complex immigration laws influenced by its ideological climate.

Don’t think anyone would ever call Quebec more capitalist or more American-style. The opposite is actually true. Plenty of provincial residents identify with their province 1st and would say you are just as likely to have someone mention they are from Alberta,BC, the Maritimes, the North, etc. as much as Quebec before identifying as Canadian. The sovereigntist movement is no longer that strong in Quebec especially compared to places like Alberta. H&C was never meant for this volume of applicants it was meant for a small number of exception circumstances. H&C files are extremely labour intensive because they are supposed to involve complex cases that do require a lot of analysis and proof. The H&C department has a certain capacity but the big issue is they have a limited PR quota so they are likely reevaluating what will actually consist a valid H&C claim and they can only process the amount of cases that make sense based on the limited PR quota. It is already taking over 1 year to go from AIP to eCOPR which indicates a huge quota issue. Canada is a relatively small country population wise with limited capacity to absorb people and a weakening economy. It never had the capacity to absorb the crazy numbers they were welcoming on a temporary basis and the infrastructure could not absorb all the people (housing, healthcare, schools, transportation, etc.). The volume of applicants and lack of vetting has also lead to a lot of societal issues. Immigration was also used to prop up a weakening economy versus addressing things like productivity issues and innovation. Governments are reactionary. It is tough to justify huge levels of immigration when unemployment is high, infrastructure is beyond strained, etc. Canada is not cutting off immigration they are trying to bring it down to reasonable levels. This will have negative impact on some people’s desire to try to immigrate to Canada but hopefully that will be short term. Even recent immigrants are calling for reducing volume of immigrants because they are seeing the negative impacts of the recent immigration policies.

 

[canuck78]

I couldn't agree more. The tightening of immigration rules for those with family, work, or education in Canada and favouring applicants overseas who have no ties to Canada based on unreasonable points system will definitely make the situation worse and will force hundreds of thousands of persons to the edge and eventually to apply for asylum. It is like there are no skilled immigrants here in Canada among international students and refugee claimants to bring people from outside of Canada. How it make sense to grant PR to someone who has points on paper or speaking french vs skilled immigrant who is working in Canada for several years and contributing to Canadian society.
On the other hand, I feel like the slow incompetent decision-making process is contributing largely to the growing backlog of refugee and H and C applications. IRCC could have make the process more streamlined by identifying cases with high success rate. I recall reading proposal by Canadian council of refugees urging immigration minister to open PR pathway for refugee claimants who are working in Canada and and are from countries on ADR/TDR list (Countries with high approval rate for asylum). That would be very good approach if implemented and will make difference in resolving the massive backlog of refugee claims.

How exactly are the policies favouring people overseas? It is extremely hard to get PR from abroad at the moment unless a family member (mainly a spouse). The PR system favours those in Canada very heavily. There is already an expedited processing program for those who are likely to get approved for asylum. It has been in place for around 5 years. There is still a massive backlog because asylum cases are complex, there is a volume of applicants Canada has never witnessed nor imagined was ever possible. This was a problem created mostly to the US not wanting to amend the STCA (also due to an oversight on Canada’s part when creating the SATC after 9/11), a very stupid tweet by JT and the absolute lunacy of bulk approvals and minimal vetting of temporary resident applications for multiple years so that processing would be faster.

 

[canuck78]

I think European countires like Germany have strategies in place to integrate people on their land and will priortize them for permanent immigration over overseas applicants. It is rare to find people living in Germany or any other European country for several years without PR. Canada immigration policies were best before 2015 where people are eligible for PR after studying master or enroling in PhD for 2 years without the need for Canadian work experience. Nowadays, even international students with years of Canadian work experience are having hard time getting PR.

Germany doesn’t have some magical solution to integrate people. Germany has a similar immigration system to Canada in many ways and many would say it is more difficult to get permanent status and it takes longer to become a German citizen. There are people from abroad who become permanent residents right away but less people around the world have a high level of German versus English which means the pool of applicants is typically lower than for English speaking countries. Currently there are such a low number of new PRs coming from abroad who have never studied or worked in Canada except families. The current economic immigration system heavily favours people already in Canada. There are of course some exceptions for rare skills needed in Canada.

 

[sting 000]

How exactly are the policies favouring people overseas? It is extremely hard to get PR from abroad at the moment unless a family member (mainly a spouse). The PR system favours those in Canada very heavily. There is already an expedited processing program for those who are likely to get approved for asylum. It has been in place for around 5 years. There is still a massive backlog because asylum cases are complex, there is a volume of applicants Canada has never witnessed nor imagined was ever possible. This was a problem created mostly to the US not wanting to amend the STCA (also due to an oversight on Canada’s part when creating the SATC after 9/11), a very stupid tweet by JT and the absolute lunacy of bulk approvals and minimal vetting of temporary resident applications for multiple years so that processing would be faster.

Express entry French proficiency has the highest number of ITA in express entry draws, where majority of the candidates from overseas without Canadian experience and with knowledge of French,still uses this option to get pr and immigrate to canada as permanent residents,even some majority of the provinces in canada still invites candidates from express entry pool ,In RCIP with job offer, a candidate may still be recommended to apply for PR from overseas.A province like manitoba still draws overseas candidates with work experience to apply for nominations with frequent draws on skill workers overseas.
All this provinces still inviting candidates from abroad despite limited number of pnp slots,don't they have skill workers already in Canada to fill the gaps.

 

[sting 000]

Germany doesn’t have some magical solution to integrate people. Germany has a similar immigration system to Canada in many ways and many would say it is more difficult to get permanent status and it takes longer to become a German citizen. There are people from abroad who become permanent residents right away but less people around the world have a high level of German versus English which means the pool of applicants is typically lower than for English speaking countries. Currently there are such a low number of new PRs coming from abroad who have never studied or worked in Canada except families. The current economic immigration system heavily favours people already in Canada. There are of course some exceptions for rare skills needed in Canada.

Canada has no similar immigration system like Germany,But has similar immigration system like Newzealand and Australia both countries has low population,Germany population is 83 million in 2025 while canada is just 41 million ,but Canada is struggling to manage population growth and can go into recession without the same immigration.The immigration system is so confused at the moment.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/economic-impact-immigration-cuts-1.7362448
Germany has also in the history accepted more assylum claimants than canada.

 

[Neel_Mistry]

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[canuck78]

Express entry French proficiency has the highest number of ITA in express entry draws, where majority of the candidates from overseas without Canadian experience and with knowledge of French,still uses this option to get pr and immigrate to canada as permanent residents,even some majority of the provinces in canada still invites candidates from express entry pool ,In RCIP with job offer, a candidate may still be recommended to apply for PR from overseas.A province like manitoba still draws overseas candidates with work experience to apply for nominations with frequent draws on skill workers overseas.
All this provinces still inviting candidates from abroad despite limited number of pnp slots,don't they have skill workers already in Canada to fill the gaps.

Where is the data showing the majority of candidates are still coming from abroad? In terms of rare and needed skills Canada is forced to welcome people from abroad if people are not applying from Canada. Easy example we have a shortage of certain healthcare workers from nurses, to lab workers, to OT/PT/SLP, diagnostic techs, MDs, etc. so if not already in Canada do we just not welcome any and put more pressure on the healthcare system? MPNP still heavily favours in province applicants.

 

[Pear23]

Hi guys i am happy to inform you all that we finally received our ecopr, its been a long journey but its all joy in the end i pray for those still waiting for this that God will make yours come soonest in Jesus name. My timeline is below:
Applied on Feb 2nd 2022
Aip received Sept 13, 2024
Ecopr August 15, 2025

Congratulations!! If is finally over!!!! God be praised.

 

[fagsey]

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[fagsey]

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