File Application with Less then 67 Point

[ramcis]

Hello Fellas,
I calculated my points 53 according to criteria mention on cic without ielts and need 14 more points to get 67. I have 15 years education, 3 ½ years of experience, age 26 years. Now my question is should I file my application with these fewer points, prepare for ielts 7 band, achieve it and send it later with other documents or I have to linger on until I will have exact 67 point???

Your positive response will be appreciated

Best Regards,
RamCis

 

[thaiguy]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

You have to have 67 points at the time you submit your application - not later.

So hit the books, man!

 

[speedoflight]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

RamCIs
as far as I understand
you are in a good situation
if you are 53 + Language then you need 14 more points

max. points for Language are 24 (16+8) so just do it bro,
I am sure you will get at lease 14 points and start learn French why not?

Speedoflight

 

[ramcis]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

Dear ThaiGuy/Speedoflight,

Thanks for your responding. Tell me one thing, is there a rule from cic that i must have 67 points at the time of application?
Actually in my country, average time to process application is almost 3 years and i want to file my application without wasting time, After that i would have enough time, till embassy person call me, to achieve these remaining 14 points either by ielts only or by ielts+french. As i mention earlier that i have 3 ½ year of work experience that giving me 19 points but after 6 months i will have 21 points and then total remaining points will be 12.
Also one of my friends told me that if you did ielts today and embassy person called you after 3 years that time your ielts would have expired and you would have to attempt it again, What you say? Sir, Need your comments?


Waiting for your positive response.

Best Regards
RamCis

 

[thaiguy]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

ramcis:

Yes, the rules say that you must have 67 points at the time of application. You're not permitted to submit your application in anticipation of having enough points later.

When immigration wants to see your IELTS, they'll ask for it. You shouldn't take the test beforehand unless you want to run the risk of it expiring (just like you said).

 

[skola]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

but now you can submit your aplication just completing the forms. afer same times, maybe 18 months, they will ask to you the documents. so you can make now the aplication form, because after 18 months you with have the ielts test, and 4 years experience

 

[PMM]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

Hi

but now you can submit your aplication just completing the forms. afer same times, maybe 18 months, they will ask to you the documents. so you can make now the aplication form, because after 18 months you with have the ielts test, and 4 years experience

Except they won't count any experience after the date of application. Please read the information on the right side of the application where it states that you must qualify at the time of application.

PMM

 

[aivoges]

Re: File Application with Less then 67 Point??

Hi ramcis: I didn't even take IELTS test. The only thing I did was to write a letter explaining how good my English is lolz. I don't know how many points they gave me but my application was approved. You don't have to have 67 points at the time you file your application. You can write a letter like I did and update with your IELTS later. This is not the way I recommend you anyway if you don't want to risk your time and $$$

 

[speedoflight]

aivoges
where are you come from
did you have US Degree or something
did you stay in US, because some people that have US experience cic is not asking for IELTS

 

[aivoges]

Hi speed: I am an international student in Canada.

 

[speedoflight]

thats why they dont ask you about IELTS


you are on a good way bro
keep going and let us know

Speedoflight

 

[aivoges]

Hi Speed: probably you are right. Actually I got PPR last week and I am waiting to get my PP back from CIC now. I filed my application in late Feb 2007 and took medical in Oct.

 

[Kash]

I am kind of surprised over PMM's comments.

Please read below:

For your application to be considered, you must show you have the necessary funds and meet the minimum requirement of at least one year of full-time (or full-time equivalent), paid work experience. This experience must:
• have occurred in the past 10 years
• be in Skill Type 0 or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupation Classification (NOC).


The above is extracted from the pdf available on CIC website as a guide for skilled workers application.It states clearly that the applicant must meet the MINIMUM REQUIREMENT at the time they submit the application.The Minimum requirement is explained as at least one year full time work experience that has occured in last ten years time and the skill must be listed on the skill lists posted on the CIC website.Applications bearing less than this will not be entertained.

Apart from that i don't see any other requirement hinders Ramacis from applying right now. After reading PMM's comments i felt compelled to talk to a CIC registered counselor about the such situation and as i had figured it out, the counselor rechecked with all the updated information he had and intimated me that most of his own clients did got the points for their updated credentials while their applications was being processed after they submitted their initial applications and same is for the work experience.


Ramacis as far i understand you must not wait anymore. If you are short of couple of points, once you complete you four years work experience and update your profile with the visa officer, you will get the full marks for that.

Wish you best,

Kash

 

[PMM]

Hi

I am kind of surprised over PMM's comments.

Please read below:

For your application to be considered, you must show you have the necessary funds and meet the minimum requirement of at least one year of full-time (or full-time equivalent), paid work experience. This experience must:
• have occurred in the past 10 years
• be in Skill Type 0 or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupation Classification (NOC).


The above is extracted from the pdf available on CIC website as a guide for skilled workers application.It states clearly that the applicant must meet the MINIMUM REQUIREMENT at the time they submit the application.The Minimum requirement is explained as at least one year full time work experience that has occured in last ten years time and the skill must be listed on the skill lists posted on the CIC website.Applications bearing less than this will not be entertained.

Apart from that i don't see any other requirement hinders Ramacis from applying right now. After reading PMM's comments i felt compelled to talk to a CIC registered counselor about the such situation and as i had figured it out, the counselor rechecked with all the updated information he had and intimated me that most of his own clients did got the points for their updated credentials while their applications was being processed after they submitted their initial applications and same is for the work experience.


Ramacis as far i understand you must not wait anymore. If you are short of couple of points, once you complete you four years work experience and update your profile with the visa officer, you will get the full marks for that.

Wish you best,

Kash

Go back read the right hand side of the page of the IMM 008SW for SAP "You must meet all criteria at the time you submit your application" The IO will make a decision on your application when it is opened, based on the information there. If you don't qualify at the time the application was submitted, then they will refuse. They will not come back asking for additional documents.

PMM

 

[Kash]

Oh dear PMM,

You are simply surprising me more and more. Since common sense doesn't seem to be working for you,You are outrightly denying every fact given on the CIC website and misinterpreting the term " Minimum Criteria ". I filled out an under criteria application on Canada.visa.com to the assessment to be viewed by attorney David Cohen and get his valuable advise over having less than 67 passing marks at the time of submition of the application. Here is what he says:

While at the present time you do not have the 67 points necessary for Canadian immigration, you still may be able to qualify by the time your application comes under review at the Visa Office. Attorney David Cohen and his Canadian immigration law firm, Campbell Cohen, are therefore pleased to represent you in your Canada immigration application process.

and also read whats available on the last page of self assessment section of CIC website:

If your mark is lower than the pass mark, you might not qualify to immigrate as a skilled worker at this time.

"" However, if you believe there are other factors that would help you to become economically established in Canada, you may still apply. ""

Send a detailed letter with your application explaining what these factors are and why they may help you successfully establish yourself in Canada.

I have never said that applying under 67 points is an idea condition yet if a person believes to be able to acquire the passing marks by the time visa officer decides to process the application, they should submit initial application along with a nice letter stating the reasons how they can successfully be economically established in Canada (as stated above). David Cohen says the same: you still may be able to qualify by the time your application comes under review at the Visa Office. If the initial application gets accepted, means count down for applicant begins if it does not, applicants still don't loose any thing. Their Processing fee is refunded and the option to apply in the future remains intact.

I hope you will find this information far more authentic than mere personal opinions.

Cheers!