EXPRESS ENTRY PROFIL : Declare everything ?

[yaxx]

Hello everybody,

My spouse and I are about to submit our express entry profile in few days, just waiting to receive my new passport.

My question is about filling the Express Entry Profile that will allow us to enter the pool of candidates, especially the education and work experience parts : Should we declare absolutely everything or just the things for which we claim points ?

For exemple, I studied only one year in a school before changing for the actual school where I had my diploma and did the ECA for. Is it necessary to add the first one ? Also, my spouse had studied 3 years awarded with a diploma, but no ECA for it (because we have enough points thanks to my ECA and our language tests), and she also studied two year in another school but didn't finish her essay, so she didn't get the diploma. Is it mandatory to mention all this information in the profile ?

My concerns are about the profile that we will submit before getting the ITA. I know that after the ITA, there's a personnal history form + Work and Education forms, and that we can enter the education and work history for which we don't claim points in the personnal history. But I'm actually afraid of misrepresentation if I don't mention all of this in the profile (the first step).

Thank you very much for helping me.

 

[21Goose]

No, it's not misrepresentation, this is perfectly OK>

You can enter only the things you get points for now. After an ITA, put everything else into the Personal History section.

 

[yaxx]

No, it's not misrepresentation, this is perfectly OK>

You can enter only the things you get points for now. After an ITA, put everything else into the Personal History section.

Very grateful for your response, thank you.

I have one more question about my diploma :

I finished studying in June 2014, and was awarded with a diploma level III (two years studying). I started working thanks to this diploma until now. Meanwhile, the school asked all the past students to get an "accreditation of prior experiential learning" by sending a portfolio of our professional works and get it certified by a jury, because they had their diploma upgraded to level I (master degree). That's what I did in 2018 and finally get the diploma equivalent to a master, which I sent to WES for my ECA. In the final ECA report, it is mentioned that my diploma is equivalent to a master degree and was awarded in 2018 (which is technically true and not true in the same time).

When filling the work experience part in the profile, they ask if I have a certificate that allow me to undertake my job, and the date of obtaining it. As I started working in Decembre 2014, I mentionned the date when I was awarded with the first diploma (June 2014).

I'm afraid that this speciale case of mine will cause me trouble when I will have to send the documents after the ITA. I'm planning to upload both diplomas with a LoE explaining this situation, will this works ?

Thanks again.

 

[21Goose]

Very grateful for your response, thank you.

I have one more question about my diploma :

I finished studying in June 2014, and was awarded with a diploma level III (two years studying). I started working thanks to this diploma until now. Meanwhile, the school asked all the past students to get an "accreditation of prior experiential learning" by sending a portfolio of our professional works and get it certified by a jury, because they had their diploma upgraded to level I (master degree). That's what I did in 2018 and finally get the diploma equivalent to a master, which I sent to WES for my ECA. In the final ECA report, it is mentioned that my diploma is equivalent to a master degree and was awarded in 2018 (which is technically true and not true in the same time).

When filling the work experience part in the profile, they ask if I have a certificate that allow me to undertake my job, and the date of obtaining it. As I started working in Decembre 2014, I mentionned the date when I was awarded with the first diploma (June 2014).

I'm afraid that this speciale case of mine will cause me trouble when I will have to send the documents after the ITA. I'm planning to upload both diplomas with a LoE explaining this situation, will this works ?

Thanks again.

No, this won't be an issue since you're not doing anything wrong. Just explain it in your LoE.

 

[superb8]

I also wondering cause my Bachelor from SFU, Vancouver was from a bridging program, which was orginally studied at FIC (Fraser Internation College) for 1 year (which can cover the year 1 in SFU), after graduating directly transferred to year 2 in SFU. Does this count as a 3 year or 4 year Bachelor Degree?

 

[yaxx]

I'm still concerned about the information I should declare in the EE profile. Here is a quote from the FAQ of CIC :

In an Express Entry profile, should I only include the minimum work experience needed to qualify for one of the programs, or should I include more?

To qualify for the broadest range of programs, including the Federal Skilled Worker Program, you should include work experience for the last 10 years. We also need this information for an application for permanent residence, no matter which program you are applying under.


So I'm guessing they still need the information, even if I don't claim points for. And as written above, it's about EE profile, not the personal history post-ITA.

For example, when filling the education part of my spouse, they ask if she has an ECA for her diploma (completed program). I guess this is for points calculation, but knowing that she won't get any point without an ECA, what's the point of asking about if it's not for having all the necessary (even unecessary) and truthful information for the application ?

I can imagine that arranging all the information between work/education history and personal history is feasible post-ITA, but I can't understand why they ask in the EE profile for education history without ECA, or even for unfinished programs.

Without an ECA for my spouse, should I simply declare that she didn't finish high school or any higher education ? Which is false.

This step of EE profile seems very fuzzy for me. I'm still thinking a little bit that they ask for everything, not only the information we claim points for.

 

[21Goose]

I'm still concerned about the information I should declare in the EE profile. Here is a quote from the FAQ of CIC :

In an Express Entry profile, should I only include the minimum work experience needed to qualify for one of the programs, or should I include more?

To qualify for the broadest range of programs, including the Federal Skilled Worker Program, you should include work experience for the last 10 years. We also need this information for an application for permanent residence, no matter which program you are applying under.


So I'm guessing they still need the information, even if I don't claim points for. And as written above, it's about EE profile, not the personal history post-ITA.

For example, when filling the education part of my spouse, they ask if she has an ECA for her diploma (completed program). I guess this is for points calculation, but knowing that she won't get any point without an ECA, what's the point of asking about if it's not for having all the necessary (even unecessary) and truthful information for the application ?

I can imagine that arranging all the information between work/education history and personal history is feasible post-ITA, but I can't understand why they ask in the EE profile for education history without ECA, or even for unfinished programs.

Without an ECA for my spouse, should I simply declare that she didn't finish high school or any higher education ? Which is false.

This step of EE profile seems very fuzzy for me. I'm still thinking a little bit that they ask for everything, not only the information we claim points for.

No.

They are encouraging you to enter everything so that you can "qualify for the broadest range of programs". You already know your program.

If you enter things into Work History/Education History, you will have to provide documentation for it. This is entirely a waste of time if you aren't getting points.

Yes, you declare that your wife doesn't have any higher education. From IRCC's point of view, this is true, since you don't have an ECA to prove otherwise. They will only consider the ECA - they don't care about anything else. If you're saying she did a diploma, you have to submit an ECA. No ECA = no degree/diploma, no matter what other documents you have.

It won't let you proceed without entering the ECA information.

They do ask for everything... in Personal History. You have to be truthful in Personal History. I suggest you read up on how CRS points are calculated. There's lots of info on these forums as well.

 

[21Goose]

I also wondering cause my Bachelor from SFU, Vancouver was from a bridging program, which was orginally studied at FIC (Fraser Internation College) for 1 year (which can cover the year 1 in SFU), after graduating directly transferred to year 2 in SFU. Does this count as a 3 year or 4 year Bachelor Degree?

It's a Canadian degree. You'll get points for a Canadian Bachelors - 112 points (or 120 if you're single)

 

[yaxx]

Hi again,

Thank you for your response.

I may have one last question : for the personal history part (post ITA), during my five years studying in France, for some reasons I spent the last two years without renewing my study permit, which means I had during those two years an illegal status. So in the personal history, they ask for the "status in country", and I don't know if there's an option for illegal status.

I don't want to hide this fact, as I don't want to have a 5 years ban because of misrepresentation.

In the case of the existence of an "illegal status" option, do you think that this will cause trouble ? Knowing that I was studying at the same school during those two years, and when I was graduated, I went back to my country of origin by my own, and since had two occasions to travel to France as a tourist with Shengen visa approved twice.

Do you think that I will be disqualified for the points earned for education as I had an illegal status during those last two years of studying ?

Thanks.