Express Entry education factor - Two or more certificate, diploma, degrees

[warquezho]

Hi everyone,

I would just like to know if my wife can get points in this category under Education Factor

Express Entry education factor
Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.

Currently, she got her masteral degree and WES assess both her Bachelor and Masteral degree in nursing as follows:

Canadian Evuivalency Summary
Bachelor's degree (three years) and Bachelor's degree (four years)

Having said this, can she be under the category of Two or more certificate, diploma, degrees? Her Bachelor is Nursing which is also her Masteral.

 

[snorden88]

That's unfortunate to have your education undervalued.
Well I think you do get some points for your spouse's education n ielts.
I'm sorry I'm a single applicant, can't help you much
Good luck.

 

[Asivad Anac]

This ECA doesn't mean that they have 2 degrees worth 7 years of education. This means that both their degrees have been combined and equated to a single 4 year Canadian bachelors.

With this ECA, you can only choose Bachelors.

 

[warquezho]

Hi Asivad,

Are you certain about this? Because here is the exact wordings from WES:

CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY
Bachelor's Degree (three years) and Bachelor's Degree (four years)

Credential Analysis

1. Credential Authentication : Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country : XXXX
Credential : Bachelor of Science
Year : 2XXX
Awarded by: : XXXX University
Institution Status : Recognized
Admission requirements : High school graduation
Length of program : Four years
Major / Specialization : Nursing
Canadian equivalency : Bachelor's degree (three years)

2. Credential Authentication : Official transcripts were sent directly by the institution
Country : XXXX
Credential : Master of Arts
Year : 2XXX
Awarded by: : XXXX University
Institution Status : Recognized
Admission requirements : Bachelor's degree
Length of program : Two years
Major / Specialization : Nursing
Canadian equivalency : Bachelor's degree (four years)

And this is what CIC says on its website


Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.
ECA assessment results:

A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school), or:

Post-Bachelor's Certificate
Post-undergraduate certificateFootnote 1
Post-Bachelor's Diploma
Post-undergraduate diplomaFootnote 1
Graduate Certificate
Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnote 1
Postgraduate certificate
Postgraduate Diploma
Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnote 1
Graduate diplomaFootnote 1
two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnote 1
one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
one-year of graduate study with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnote 1
Study Toward a Master's Degree

So I am thinking that she already passed the initial requirement for 3years, and another certificate/diploma for her Masteral degree (considered as Bachelor 4 years in Canada) in one of the choices above (The highlighted one). Can you confirm?

Can you also explain to me how can one achieve this Two or more certificate, diploma points if my explanation above is not correct? Because from what I see, one need to study different degree am I right on what you are saying?

 

[Asivad Anac]

To choose 'Two or more...' option, one needs to have 2 distinct degrees/diplomas/certificates and at least 1 of them must be for a program of at least 3 years duration. For instance, a 3 year undergraduate degree in Business Studies followed by a 1 year diploma in Information Technology and either both are acquired inside Canada or one/both of them is acquired outside Canada with a valid ECA in place.

In your spouse's case, they have just 1 degree by Canadian standards - a 4 year degree in Nursing.

 

[warquezho]

Hi Asivad,

Thanks for your inputs. But looking at the CIC page for this, it doesn't mention that it has to be distinct. Because from what I understand, even though my wife did not get the needed Masteral equivalency in WES, they awarded her with another Bachelor for the masteral education, hence, she get

1 Bachelor (3y) for her Bachelor's degree.
1 Bachelor (4y) for her Masteral's degree.

So two Bachelor's degree all in all.

I also come across this thread:

wxw.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/two-or-more-degree-certificates-or-diplomasomeone-help-t348738.0.html

Which CIC says that 'If the credentials are at the same level (e.g., two bachelor's degrees), then candidates can select the appropriate level of education for “Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees” when completing their profile'

 

[Asivad Anac]

You'll find my remarks in that thread as well.

Your wife's 2 year Masters has NOT been assessed as independently equivalent to a 4 year Bachelors in Nursing. WES does not mean that your wife's 2 year Masters education is miraculously equivalent to 4 years of Bachelors education in Canada - miraculous because of 2 extra years appearing out of nowhere. So your wife's education in the home country is indeed 2 distinct degrees of 5 (3+2) year duration but their Canadian equivalence is just 1 distinct degree of 4 year duration.

This is a regular WES assessment for such BSc/MSc combination degrees. WES has recognized your wife's 5 years of education (3 years Bachelor + 2 years Master) as equivalent to a 4 year Canadian Bachelors degree. Period.

You can find a lot of members on that thread who had similar ECA reports. I remember Sita1987 being one of them. Do check with them as well.

All the best!

 

[warquezho]

Hi Asivad,

Actually, it is 6years at home (4y bachelor and 2y master) that you said is only equivalent to 1 bachelor degree .

Just a few more question, if what you mean is really what WES meant to show in the report. How come she got this in her report

Bachelor's Degree (three years) and Bachelor's Degree (four years)

Which has an AND clause, does it not pertain to two separate thing?

And lastly, if for example WES assessed my wife's masters as a Canadian masters or just as same with sita (1y post graduate) blah blah, would she be entitled to a 'Masteral level' education or 'Two or more certificate'?

 

[mco246]

I think I have the same issue.

My WES report sais:

At the top; Canadian equivalent summary bachelor's
Degree (4 years)

Then at the bottom my two degrees assesed;

1 Canadian equivalent: 2 year diploma

2. Canadian equivalent: 4 years bachelor's degree.

Can I use option " two or more degrees? "

 

[sunichak]

I think two or more degrees is applicable for distinct degrees. WES might have stated that saying your given education comes under both the categories. It doesn't mean you have two or more degrees

 

[Asivad Anac]

Hi Asivad,

Actually, it is 6years at home (4y bachelor and 2y master) that you said is only equivalent to 1 bachelor degree .

Just a few more question, if what you mean is really what WES meant to show in the report. How come she got this in her report

Bachelor's Degree (three years) and Bachelor's Degree (four years)

Which has an AND clause, does it not pertain to two separate thing?

And lastly, if for example WES assessed my wife's masters as a Canadian masters or just as same with sita (1y post graduate) blah blah, would she be entitled to a 'Masteral level' education or 'Two or more certificate'?

That ECA's equivalence summary is confusing. It almost appears to indicate that your spouse's foreign education is higher than the equivalent Canadian education so that they are awarded 1 whole extra year of education which they never had in their education!

I still believe that you should choose Bachelors. And this matters only if your spouse is the PA otherwise we are having this long discussion for all of 1 CRS point.

 

[warquezho]

Hi Asivad,

Well you are right, she is going to be the primary applicant because of her ielts score and this dilemma of mine. Well your inputs are very informative and well appreciated. I have no choice but to double confirm with CIC as well so all doubts will be cleared. Will let you know once I get any feedback from them .

 

[CPRaspirant]

Hi warquezho,

I am also having case like yours , Please share how you are Contacting CIC to clarify the doubt .

 

[adeel2013]

I have the same equivalency.. Can you please tell me which option you selected while creating your express entry profile?

 

[chins.jain]

i have the same evaluation from WES. can you please let me know if you have any update on this