End date of work in EE

[kryt0n]

Hi all, having a bit of a panic attack so i would appreciate your help.

In my EE profile i was eligible for CEC and FSW until December 12th. On 13th, had I been invited under CEC, i would not have been eligible and would have had to decline the ita.

To avoid this i changed my end date month to November, making me ineligible for CEC.

I got my ita under fsw Jan 4th and changed my end date of employment back to December.

I explained why i made this change just as i have above in my LOE.

Now, a week after submission, i am terrified that they will see it as me manipulating the system so i would be selected under a certain stream. Was this completely wrong of me?

Change of circumstances from EE to eAPR is allowed if the applicants circumstances legitimately change, so wouldn't being ineligible for CEC fall under that?

I'm now terrified this is a misrepresentation issue. Any thoughts?

 

[xpressentry]

I dont think so. IMO, many people will manipulate to go from FSW to CEC as a way to avoid PoF. I think you are good to go.

 

[ozlis]

Hi all, having a bit of a panic attack so i would appreciate your help.

In my EE profile i was eligible for CEC and FSW until December 12th. On 13th, had I been invited under CEC, i would not have been eligible and would have had to decline the ita.

To avoid this i changed my end date month to November, making me ineligible for CEC.

I got my ita under fsw Jan 4th and changed my end date of employment back to December.

I explained why i made this change just as i have above in my LOE.

Now, a week after submission, i am terrified that they will see it as me manipulating the system so i would be selected under the stream that i wanted. Was this completely wrong of me?

Change of circumstances from EE to eAPR is allowed if the applicants circumstances legitimately change, so wouldn't being ineligible for CEC fall under that?

I'm now terrified this is a misrepresentation issue. Any thoughts?

The EE profile is not your official submission. In contrast, if you submitted the eAPR incorrectly it might be a bit of an issue, however given you reduced your experience and didn't falsely increase it - I'd say you have no issues.

This system and process drives us all a little crazy.

 

[kryt0n]

I dont think so. IMO, many people will manipulate to go from FSW to CEC as a way to avoid PoF. I think you are good to go.

But that is slightly different.

CIC don't know how much money you have and if you say you have nothing so you get invited under CEC, CIC will never know any different.

Not only did i change this i even told them. I thought i was being completely open. I mean, i wouldn't have been eligible under CEC. I wasn't trying to be invited, because that would have actually been easier!

 

[kryt0n]

The EE profile is not your official submission. In contrast, if you submitted the eAPR incorrectly it might be a bit of an issue, however given you reduced your experience and didn't falsely increase it - I'd say you have no issues.

This system and process drives us all a little crazy.

Well that was my thinking originally. But now I'm not so sure. I forced the system to do something.

 

[kryt0n]

I'm just going by this (i was reading up to help someone else and ended up giving myself a panic attack).

"Change in circumstance declared in an e-APR
Express Entry candidates are responsible for ensuring that the information in their profile is accurate and up-to-date at all times. - I changed it so this would be correct

When a candidate is issued an ITA, their profile information and their CRS score are automatically recorded in GCMS.

If a candidate decides to submit an e-APR, the system automatically transfers the information from their profile to their e-APR for their convenience. The candidate is required to ensure that the information is still accurate before they submit their e-APR to IRCC. If the information transferred from the candidate’s profile is no longer accurate, the candidate must update their application accordingly.

When an applicant submits an e-APR to CIC, the information in their application is locked, and their CRS score at the time of their application is recorded in GCMS.

Processing offices must compare the information in the applicant’s profile at the time of the round of invitations to the information in their e-APR to ensure that the applicant meets the requirements of section A11.2. Note that not all discrepancies should result in a refusal."

Ok, so far so good.

"Assessing for misrepresentation
Applicants are warned that if they misrepresent their qualifications in their Express Entry profile or their e-APR, they may face a five-year ban from submitting any further immigration applications to Canada, including temporary residence applications.

If there are discrepancies between the information in the applicant’s profile and the information in the applicant’s e-APR which are not the result of a legitimate change in the applicant’s circumstance, the officer should determine whether a finding of misrepresentation under section A40 applies."

I mean, isn't the fact I'm no longer eligible for CEC a legitimate reason?

 

[ozlis]

I'm just going by this (i was reading up to help someone else and ended up giving myself a panic attack).

"Change in circumstance declared in an e-APR
Express Entry candidates are responsible for ensuring that the information in their profile is accurate and up-to-date at all times. - I changed it so this would be correct

When a candidate is issued an ITA, their profile information and their CRS score are automatically recorded in GCMS.

If a candidate decides to submit an e-APR, the system automatically transfers the information from their profile to their e-APR for their convenience. The candidate is required to ensure that the information is still accurate before they submit their e-APR to IRCC. If the information transferred from the candidate’s profile is no longer accurate, the candidate must update their application accordingly.

When an applicant submits an e-APR to CIC, the information in their application is locked, and their CRS score at the time of their application is recorded in GCMS.

Processing offices must compare the information in the applicant’s profile at the time of the round of invitations to the information in their e-APR to ensure that the applicant meets the requirements of section A11.2. Note that not all discrepancies should result in a refusal."

Ok, so far so good.

"Assessing for misrepresentation
Applicants are warned that if they misrepresent their qualifications in their Express Entry profile or their e-APR, they may face a five-year ban from submitting any further immigration applications to Canada, including temporary residence applications.

If there are discrepancies between the information in the applicant’s profile and the information in the applicant’s e-APR which are not the result of a legitimate change in the applicant’s circumstance, the officer should determine whether a finding of misrepresentation under section A40 applies."

I mean, isn't the fact I'm no longer eligible for CEC a legitimate reason?

Yes. It is.

 

[kryt0n]

Yes. It is.

Can you come and rent a flat in my head, please?


I just worry that i forced the system to do something. But surely for the right reasons?
I can't believe this has blindsided me suddenly. I genuinely feel sick.

 

[kryt0n]

I mean, i did it so i wouldn't be ineligible. I was doing them a favour!

 

[MMX]

Hi, I don't htink it is misrepresentation since you explained it in LOE. Nobody who is misrepresenting would do that, so just on that basis I think you are good.

For manipulating the system: If the system does not allow you to select the appropriate stream, it's the fault of the system and you should be allowed a workaround to make it work. So what you did was to make it work in the right way, so no worries, you are good.

 

[kryt0n]

Thanks,i wish i could believe you.

It made perfect sense to me up until 20mins ago.

 

[mgnlky]

Hi, I don't htink it is misrepresentation since you explained it in LOE. Nobody who is misrepresenting would do that, so just on that basis I think you are good.

For manipulating the system: If the system does not allow you to select the appropriate stream, it's the fault of the system and you should be allowed a workaround to make it work. So what you did was to make it work in the right way, so no worries, you are good.

^^ This.

 

[Srushti]

A few cents from my side from what i read from various posts from seniors in this forum:

Rule 1: Be honest from the time you create your EE till eternity.
Rule 2: Any change you make from the time you create your EE, till you get your PPR everything gets recorded in the GCMS
Rule 3: Dont play or manipulate with the CIC system for your convenience or situational benefit
Rule 4: At any stage, if you think what you did is right - the only weapon you have to justify or shield yourself is a LOE
Rule 5: use the LOE to the best of your advantage, as it is the last shot you've got

@kryt0n: your case seems to be 1 exception. I would say your LOE is your best weapon here. If I were your VO, I would use my brains and send you PPR

 

[kryt0n]

You had me on a heart attack until the last line there.

I was honest all the way through. My EE profile will show me changing my end date to November on 13th December, which backs up my LOE.

I just genuinely feel terrible right now. More so than i have in a long time.

 

[Srushti]

You had me on a heart attack until the last line there.

I was honest all the way through. My EE profile will show me changing my end date to November on 13th December, which backs up my LOE.

I just genuinely feel terrible right now. More so than i have in a long time.

Ok. lets study this case. What would have happened otherwise ?