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ELISEA - YOUR INBOX IS FULL!!!

RobsLuv

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Trying to respond to your last PM but it won't go through.
 

RobsLuv

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Jul 14, 2008
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124
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Original:14Mar2007; Reprocess began after appeal:26Apr2010
Doc's Request.
Original:9May'07; Reprocess:7May'10
AOR Received.
Original:28Apr'07; Reprocess:26Apr'10
File Transfer...
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Med's Request
Reprocessing:7May2010
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Passport Req..
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Re: Elisea - your inbox is full

bump this - I have a reply ready to send but can't because your inbox is full.
 

matthewc

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Jan 18, 2010
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Grimsby, ON
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Inland (CPC-Vegreville)
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27.09.2006
AOR Received.
05.12.2006
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11.02.2008
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31.03.2008
Yeah I got a PM as well, and wrote a detailed reply. I'm going to post it for Elise as there's nothing particularly personal there.



First things first, why is he out of status? Did they refuse another visitor record extension, or did you simply not apply for it?

Are you sure you want to go the inland route? It's usually slower, and has no right of appeal.

If you do decide to stick with inland, you send the OWP / restoration of status application together in the same envelope with the PR application. Tick boxes C and D, and include $200 restoration of status and $150 work permit fees. Once granted approval in principle, in about 9 months, they'll restore his status and issue the open work permit.

If you include both applications together in the same envelope, they'll usually know what to do with it - i.e. put it aside and process after AIP on the PR application. Occasionally they mess this up. You can avoid problems by very clearly writing in the "My request" section that this is an OPEN work permit application submitted together with an inland PR application, and you would like it to be set aside and only processed once approval in principle is reached.

Even though you're married and have a child, it's still important to include a good variety of evidence showing that your relationship is genuine. If you don't, they may ask for an interview which means long delays. Much better to spend an extra couple of days putting together a bullet-proof application to begin with. It's your job to convince them. See IP8 and OP2 for the types of evidence they're expecting to see:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/index.asp

IMM 1344A C6 b and c are not applicable to inland applications. Like it says:

"If you are sponsoring a member of the spouse or common-law
partner in Canada class, do not complete b) and c); proceed to 7
immediately."

What that's actually all about is the fact that for an outside Canada sponsorship, if the applicant is legally admitted to a country on a work/study permit or visitor record longer than a year, they have the option of being processed at the visa office responsible for that country. In the case of Canada, that's Buffalo. For example, if someone from the UK was in Canada on a 1-year work permit, being sponsored at the same time, they'd have the option of processing at either Buffalo or London. Since Buffalo is ALSO the office responsible for his country of citizenship, for US citizens it doesn't actually make any difference. Note, however, that he's not currently legally admitted to Canada (out of status) so, if you were going the outland route, you'd have to tick "no" to 6 b.

Now, back to the first point, are you certain you want to go the inland route? Buffalo is so much faster for straightforward spousal sponsorships. It really depends what your priorities are at this point. If you want him to stay in Canada with you for the duration of the process, above all else, at all costs, then inland is the right decision. If you want him to be able to work, get health care sooner rather than later, outland might be the better option. Outland applications are usually finalised (completely) faster than inland even gets approval in principle - so you get to work faster. Since he's now out of status, inland gives you some degree of assurance he'll be allowed to stay in Canada.

It's also worth remembering that there's no right of appeal inland. For most that shouldn't be a problem, but if there's any complications or possible ghosts in the closed (even something minor from years ago) it's worth taking the decision whether or not to preserve your appeal rights quite seriously.

If you do decide to go for the outland route, you could do this...

1. Submit the outland PR sponsorship to CPC Mississauga ASAP. Just the sponsorship/PR app - no work permit or restoration of status.
2. Once approved to sponsor, in about a month, submit a (separate) application for restoration of status as a VISITOR (not worker) to CPC-Vegreville. $200 + $75. Include with that proof that the PR application has been submitted (a photocopy of your approval to sponsor letter and a photocopy of the $1040 fees receipt for the sponsorship/PR application. Your request is that, since you've now applied to sponsor him and been found eligible to do so, you would like to restore his status and have him wait in Canada with you until the PR app is finalised.
3. CPC-Vegreville should then restore his status and issue another visitor record.

Note that the restoration of status / extension of stay as a visitor would have to be received at CPC-V before he's been out of status for 90 days (December 9th). That means you'd have to have the sponsorship approval back to you, and the extension in the mail (xpresspost, signature, recorded delivery) by around December 1st.

The possible snag would be that, since he's already overstayed and is clearly a long-term visitor, it's possible they could deny the restoration / extension of stay as a visitor. The fact you'd be well on the way to sorting out his PR status by then should weigh in your favour though, and my guess is they'd approve it.

With that option, if they deny the restoration he'd have to leave Canada, but since they're taking 3 months to process visitor extensions at the moment, there's a good chance you'll be very close to completion or the PR application by then.

Personally, the outland option combined with restoration of status as a visitor is what I'd choose, as it means PR status much much faster, but there is that risk he might have to leave.

That's a lot of info - read it over a couple of times ;)
 

RobsLuv

Champion Member
Jul 14, 2008
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124
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Original:14Mar2007; Reprocess began after appeal:26Apr2010
Doc's Request.
Original:9May'07; Reprocess:7May'10
AOR Received.
Original:28Apr'07; Reprocess:26Apr'10
File Transfer...
n/a
Med's Request
Reprocessing:7May2010
Med's Done....
Jun2010
Interview........
n/a
Passport Req..
30Nov2010!!
VISA ISSUED...
31Dec2010!!
LANDED..........
31Jan2011
Good idea - although she doesn't seem to be picking up on this thread. She was online earlier when I updated it and bumped it up, hoping to get her attention, but nothing. Your info is good, as always. Here's mine, for the record:
elisea said:
After receiving your e-mail I did some research on the outland application....
So, if my husband has been in Canada for 4 years (with visitor status-which expired recently) is he eligible to use the outland application?
Yes, he is always eligible to apply via the outland process – regardless of where he is living/staying during processing.
elisea said:
Also, he was lawfully accepted into Canada for a year (before status ran out). So, can he use Buffalo to process his application?
He is a US citizen so an outland application would be processed through Buffalo either way.
elisea said:
Also, he did his medical last March and it was sent under :inland: status-if we do decide to go through with outland, how do we get this transfered?
The DMPs in Canada send the medical results to the Regional Medical Centre in Ottawa. That's where Buffalo requests them from, so they should have no problem finding his when they need it. If there is a problem you can always fax the RMC in Ottawa and have them send his results to Buffalo . . . I have the number if you need it when the time comes.
elisea said:
What address should he write for residency-does he have to have some type of stable tie to the states to apply outland?
Again, it does not matter where he is living or staying while applying through the Embassy that represents his country of birth – Buffalo is his Embassy, based on his citizenship, and he always has the right to apply through them. He does not have to prove stable ties to the States to apply through his own Embassy. He will need to use a family member or friend's address in the States as his residential address – because he no longer has valid temporary status in Canada – but he can use your Canada address as his mailing address so that all correspondence from Buffalo is received by him in Canada.
elisea said:
Also, it seems that under an inland app, if he his restoration status is denied, then he is protected my having an PR ap in process.
Not necessarily true. It is true that they usually don't pursue deportation for inland spousal applicants unless they were already issued a voluntary departure letter that they failed to comply with. But I can guarantee that they will transfer an inland application to your local office for processing before they grant him first stage approval – which wouldn't happen until 8-9 months after you send it your application even under the best of circumstances – and then you'll wait up to 2 more years before they begin assessing again. That means he's stuck in Canada without legal status and without the ability to work or have healthcare or anything else until they get good and ready to start looking at his application. It will, literally, take years whereas an application processed through Buffalo is not affected AT ALL by where he is staying and whether he's there legally or not – so it will finalize within their normal processing timeline of 4 – 9 months . . . plus the extra month or so for them to assess you first as an eligible sponsor.
elisea said:
can someone maintain residency in the states when visiting canada?
when you are visiting is it wise to use that as your address?
If he is a US citizen, he is always a US citizen – even after he gets permanent status in Canada. There is no requirement to maintain residency in the States while visiting (or living) anywhere else unless he is a green card holder and not a US citizen. Not sure what you mean by if it's wise to use “that” as your address when you're visiting . . . use what as your address?? The US address or the Canadian address – and in what context?

Hope this helps. I also had another long reply to your first reply to my email, but I will save that for when your inbox is cleared. Some of what I quoted from your subsequent messages here is already answered in that . . . but you seem to have a lot of confusion and misconceptions about the process and we need to help you get that clarified before you apply or you could seriously back yourselves into a corner.
 

elisea

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Hello RL and Matthew,
Thank you-I am so grateful for all this information! Navigating this immigration world has proven to be stressful and confusing...I am feeling a lot clearer about the steps we should be taking, thank you!
It is amazing how many different answers I seem to be getting form the call center agents...this forum (especially response to my PMs) has been instrumental in getting clarity.
So, I am leaning toward applying Outland...it seems that most people have an easier time with Outland.
The reason he is currently out of status is because we were trying to avoid applying for another extension (he has had 3 already); and attempting to send off the PR application before his status expired. However, the FBI clearance came shortly after the end of status date. He was going to apply for an extension and send it on the day his status expired; I called the call center and was told that it was too late and that he was to apply for restoration. Restoration did not seem like a big deal. In my mind I naively thought, "great, 90 more days to complete the PR application". Little did I realize once out of status, things can get very complicated.
So that is how it all came to be.
In the end, this might of been a positive thing (let us hope) because we would have NEVER considered doing it the outland way....
Again, thank you.
I will keep you posted on further developments.
Elise