Doubt between TRV and Estension Visitor Visa IMM5708e ???

[castropolitan]

Hey everybody please give a hand with this!

Doubt between Visitor Visa and TRV.. my working visa expired in dec 03, my TRV expired in nov 11.. BUT I HAVE A FAMILY MEETING IN NYC, FOR CHRISTMAS.. so i need a multientry option, i will apply for a PR inland before my working permit expired, so i will get the implied status for work..
But in the other hand i wanna have a multientry visa so i can go out for christmas..
I hope this work, please give me an advice..
As i have been reading, TRV look so complicated, and many refusal in the OWP... so i want the visitor visa, but dont know if i missing something that can be against me.

Is the extension of Visitir visa a multientrance, i dont see it anywhere?

Thanks
Susana

 

[ragluf]

IMM5708 is an application to extend your current visit (and visitor status) http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/visitor.asp
The result of this application is a visitor record (a piece of paper) that specifies your authorized period of stay has been extended. This does not seem proper for what you are intending to do - travel out and come back in - for this you generally need a visa.

However -

i will apply for a PR inland before my working permit expired, so i will get the implied status for work..

This does not seem correct - you can't get implied work status just by applying for PR.
If your work permit is near expiry, - you have to apply for either a BOWP (if you are eligible), or extension of your current work permit, or change conditions to a visitor before your current WP expires. If the application has been filed and submitted, and your current WP expired, then you have implied status until you receive results of your application.
Which means you have to file this application (irrespective/independent of your PR application submission) before Dec 03. When you have filed it, then after Dec 03, you get implied status.

Now considering if you have sorted your implied status - your intention is to travel to the US this Christmas season, and come back. For this - since you are travelling to the US only and coming back, you do not need a visa to re-enter Canada.
See here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/temp/visa/validity/implied.asp

Also as per ENF 4
13.3. Re-entry into Canada on original visa
Foreign nationals who require a temporary resident visa and who seek to re-enter Canada must be in possession of a multiple-entry temporary resident visa unless:
- since leaving Canada after being authorized to enter as a temporary resident, they have only visited the U.S. or St. Pierre and Miquelon, and are returning within the initial period authorized by a BSO [R190(3)(f)];
- they have only visited the U.S. or St. Pierre and Miquelon and they are in possession of a valid visitor record work permit, study permit, or a temporary resident permit (authorizing re-entry) and are returning within the initial period authorized by a BSO, [R190(3)(f)]; or
- they are seeking entry on implied status. A temporary resident with implied status that leaves Canada is exempt from obtaining a temporary resident visa pursuant to R190(3)(f)(ii) if they are returning from a visit solely to the United States or St. Pierre and Miquelon. Their status as a temporary resident is extended until a decision is made and they are notified in accordance with R183(5). They are not authorized to work or study until their application for a renewal on their work or study permit has been approved. To emphasize these conditions, BSOs may consider documenting these foreign nationals on a visitor record. For guidelines on when to issue a visitor record see section 13.21
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[castropolitan]

IMM5708 is an application to extend your current visit (and visitor status)
The result of this application is a visitor record (a piece of paper) that specifies your authorized period of stay has been extended. This does not seem proper for what you are intending to do - travel out and come back in - for this you generally need a visa.
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I TRY TO FOLLOW THIS GUIDELINES, AND TAKE ME THERE TO THE IMM5708E, OR MAY BE I GET LOST ON THE WAY, BUT I WANT THE DESCRIPTION IS in the cic page , visit cpp ... Said : "If you are a temporary resident in Canada with valid status (that is, you have a valid study permit or work permit), you can apply for a new temporary resident visa to return to Canada before you leave...


I JUST WANT A MULTIENTRY VISITOR VISA, SO I CAN TRAVEL, FIRST I HAVE THIS FAMILY MEETING IN DEC, AND MAY BE WHILE I HAVE THAT VISA.. I CAN GO OUT.

MAY BE IM FILLING THE WRONG FORM. PLEASE HELP ME.. Dont really know about CPP?? B?OpenWorkPermit? BSO??

Well I mean apply for PR and work permit in the same time, before dec 03. SO in that way i can keep working cause the implied status right?

We still can not apply for PR, just waiting some taxes papers for my sponsor, that can take long time, so I dont know if we re going to apply inside or outside canada yet.. Im Chilean and the waiting time is 22 month, and inside is like a year, as far i know..

Im so scared about leave the country under implied status, i heard many people can't come back that why i want o apply now, to get the answer sooner.

Thanks very much ragluf!!

 

[ragluf]

I TRY TO FOLLOW THIS GUIDELINES, AND TAKE ME THERE TO THE IMM5708E, OR MAY BE I GET LOST ON THE WAY, BUT I WANT THE DESCRIPTION IS in the cic page , visit cpp ... Said : "If you are a temporary resident in Canada with valid status (that is, you have a valid study permit or work permit), you can apply for a new temporary resident visa to return to Canada before you leave

That is the link to applying for a re-entry visa so apply before your current work permit expires. For some reason I cannot post the link exactly, but if you follow the underlined link in that section in CIC webpage - it will bring you to the proper page (You can try this link - just remove the spaces in this link and paste it in your browser (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/ cpp-o- apply.asp)
Apply for a new temporary resident visa from within Canada
If you are a temporary resident in Canada with valid status (that is, you have a valid study permit or work permit), you can apply for a new temporary resident visa to return to Canada before you leave.
The forms are here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/visa.asp

Well I mean apply for PR and work permit in the same time, before dec 03. SO in that way i can keep working cause the implied status right?

As long as you applied for a work permit (extension/renewal) before your current one expires, you will go into implied status as soon as your current work permit expires and you have not received the results of your work permit application. During this implied status period - you can continue working.

Im so scared about leave the country under implied status, i heard many people can't come back that why i want o apply now, to get the answer sooner.

Then apply for a re-entry visa as in the links above.

Please minimize using all CAPS - in netiquette this is equivalent to shouting.

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[castropolitan]

Thanks.. haha i just use Capital to separate.. or put enphasis.. i should use bold.. sorry..

I have many doubts.. about the form.. i hope you can help me..

they ask my status.. i have WP and TRV.. so i dont know.. what is really my status, both have diferent dates.

also.. they ask purpose of my visit, no idea what should i write, cause my purpose is to stay until i can make an aplication for PR.

thanks Ragluf!!

 

[ragluf]

they ask my status.. i have WP and TRV.. so i dont know.. what is really my status, both have diferent dates.

You are a worker - you mentioned your WP will expire in Dec 03 right - then you are a worker until that date and at the time you file your application.

also.. they ask purpose of my visit, no idea what should i write, cause my purpose is to stay until i can make an aplication for PR.

That is your final intent, but how will that look in the eyes of the officer looking at your application - wouldn't stating that show you are more inclined to contravene the limits of your temporary stay and may stay without prior authorization? And will lead to doubt that may tip towards refusal?

If you are filing for a work permit extension with your PR application (as you mentioned), then I will assume you have a job and will still be employed even after your family meeting in NYC. So your purpose in coming back after that family meeting in NYC will be to resume working for your employer. That is a purpose of your "visit" to the country - resume your job and work duties as you are currently employed and is returning from a vacation.

If you are not going to be employed after your return, well I leave that purpose of visit up to you....

.../atb and good luck....

 

[castropolitan]

Thanks Ragluf

But I was thinking to say that in my intention letter.. i mean that we are living here in Canada, working. collecting the papers to our PR aplication. I rode this post from this couple, and canuck said that is very helpful to have a PR intention.. I just was thinking to say it in nice words.. that "Ihave been living in Canda with my husband, and now we want to go on vacation after mi wp expired, and back until we can be able to make our PR aplication inland or outland. :-X
(I dont want to put what they said.. sound nor so good, most cause they still not married ..)

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/extending-stay-please-help-t234962.30.html

Im thinking may be is good to apply for a WP too.. so i can included that i want to keep working and not being a house wife.. ha

Blessing
Susana

 

[ragluf]

Depending on when you want to apply for the re-entry visa, your initial statement of "my purpose is to stay until i can make an aplication for PR" can be seen in two possible ways:
1. If you have applied for PR, and have the receipts and an AOR, before you apply for a re-entry visa, - then it is fine to mention in your reasons that you have an ongoing application for PR. That, and an application for WP along with supporting documents for the work permit, will show there are reasons for the applicant to return to Canada.
2. If you have not applied for PR, and no proof of any intention for permanent residence (no application, no AOR, no payment receipts), and without a WP application - well your statement above will be seen negatively to your re-entry visa application - you have no reasons to extend your stay beyond that of your current authorization (WP).

So - this is now up to you depending on what you want.

Good luck on your application and all the best...

 

[castropolitan]

Thanks for all your help.. Im with my hands on

Best for you.

Susana