Does probation period counts as experience under CEC?
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Can't confirm in regards to law, but thinking logically:
Probation usually starts from signing of contract, in contract it says: probation period is bla bla bla 3 months.
Nothing changes with the contract after three months.
During these 3 months you get paid.
Therefore, yes - this suppose to be counted, as you can produce 1) contract indicating start date 2) payslips 3) reference from a manager
Probation usually starts from signing of contract, in contract it says: probation period is bla bla bla 3 months.
Nothing changes with the contract after three months.
During these 3 months you get paid.
Therefore, yes - this suppose to be counted, as you can produce 1) contract indicating start date 2) payslips 3) reference from a manager
i have lost most of initial 4 months pay slips. I do have recent 4 months pay slips. Will they be enough ? they do have year to date salary on them, or do i have to submit initial pay stubs too ? Can i submit my bank statements for initial period to show my salary cheque deposits ?
SecularFirst said:
yes i guess that should be fine. Moreover, what ever experience letter you would submit would show you were employed from x to y which would include the probation period. So it should be good with CIC.
Though i must say being paid LESS is a bit unusual during probation. Norm is that you don't have other benefits (medical insurance etc.) during probation but every thing else is / should be same.
In some cases it is not even legally possible e.g. if some one was hired with an LMIA stating his / her salary. Then he cannot be paid less any way.
I was working on PGWP. I got two raises on my job till now in last one year, one after the probation period, one few months ago. But my NOC and roles and responsibilities were same all the time. Does my manager has to mention all the raises in reference letter or the latest compensation would do ??
Also, once in a while, i worked less in a week, and worked more during some other week. How do we reflect this on reference letter ? Although I am way above the minimum hours as well as weeks needed to qualify for CEC, my question is if my manager write 40 hours worked (which would be the average), would it be a misrepresentation ? Does my reference letter has to mention the exact weeks where i worked less or more? that being said, my total hours worked in last 14 months were well above 1800+.
If it was a full time job 37 or 40 hours a week stated, there is no track of how many hours worked actually.
Are you actually paid by the hour? Because in that case your salary shouldn't be stated annually but rather hourly. So as long as your experience letter says your job was 40 hours a week and your pay stub / T4 matches, there is no concern.
Every one fluctuates working hours. Some times i took off days, or worked less hours or was travelling. During product release cycles we work weekends too. That doesn't change the pay or basic job required hours.
So you got basically a raise after probation. This means that the pay received during probation is what you were offered originally in the job contract. So this is perfectly fine and raises don't need to be really mentioned. However, its better there is some trace of that in the experience letter since otherwise your pay stub would be totally messed up and not conclusive to some one comparing it.
Lastly, i have at least seen one case of refusal in EE on this forum where the guy was paid more - i.e. there were bonuses received but not mentioned in his experience profile (CIC specifically asks for job requirements, salary and benefits).
So its better to have it explained some where.
Are you actually paid by the hour? Because in that case your salary shouldn't be stated annually but rather hourly. So as long as your experience letter says your job was 40 hours a week and your pay stub / T4 matches, there is no concern.
Every one fluctuates working hours. Some times i took off days, or worked less hours or was travelling. During product release cycles we work weekends too. That doesn't change the pay or basic job required hours.
So you got basically a raise after probation. This means that the pay received during probation is what you were offered originally in the job contract. So this is perfectly fine and raises don't need to be really mentioned. However, its better there is some trace of that in the experience letter since otherwise your pay stub would be totally messed up and not conclusive to some one comparing it.
Lastly, i have at least seen one case of refusal in EE on this forum where the guy was paid more - i.e. there were bonuses received but not mentioned in his experience profile (CIC specifically asks for job requirements, salary and benefits).
So its better to have it explained some where.
fkl said:
Thanks a lot for the detailed response. I would see what my manger writes in my letter. My salary is hourly and I don't think I can compute the number of hours worked by dividing total earnings in a year with wages as we get more wages on national holidays and long weekends.
SecularFirst said:
You are most welcome! So that's not an issue - just be upfront about it in writing that you are paid by the hour and it fluctuates at times. Since it varies, you only need to exceed the total number of hours equivalent to a year 1800 or whatever - and as long as your T4 amount divided by per hour rate exceeds those hours - you are good.
I might have been giving a bit stricter guideline. The FULL TIME job requirement and the refusal i mentioned was for an LMIA based job for which the applicant scored 600 points.
If you are only qualifying CEC then the criteria is relatively relaxed.
Thank you so much for enlightening me on this. I am simple CEC applicant. Only claiming points for one year Canadian work exp. Also would you be able to guide me a little more on my situation here. I initially started this working part time with my existing employee as I was student then. I started at a non qualifying NOC and was later promoted to qualifying NOC. I am only claiming points for qualifying NOC position in my EE profile. As my T4 for 2014 contain earnings on non qualifying NOC as well, i am little confused about how to represent everything correctly in my application.
SecularFirst said:
Sure no worries. Just write a big break down calculation in your cover letter. Say that my initial job was part time with NOC ... from period x to y - earning amount z, which you are not claiming for.
Then mention the starting month from which your NOC changed (point out evidence of that - either by employer providing job duties clearly earning the NOC or something else)
and show the calculation.
Please do not write too much details. Half a page explanation - pointing out to docs (T4, experience letter or relevant pay stub) should be enough.
If you end up seeing too many things in your cover letter, you might even consider attaching this to your t4, pay stubs etc. instead. All as a single pdf doc. If too many different things are there in the single doc, put an Table of contents.
Try to assume some body would go through it very quickly and your explanation should be concise - with reference to evidence.
I am planning to submit a letter from manager outlining my role and responsibilities starting my qualifying NOC position from date ** to date **. Also i will submit an initial job offer letter stating i am being offer a job (although Non qualifying NOC). And an little explanations from my manager that i would be considered for higher position later depending upon satisfactory performance. Do you think i need a job offer letter for qualifying NOC position as well ?
As i was working already at the same employer. Also my pay changed a month after i took roles and responsibilities of qualifying NOC. Would that be an issue ?
I read on CIC website that there is no specific pay requirements for CEC. Should i wait one more month then till i complete one full year on changed pay scale?
As i was working already at the same employer. Also my pay changed a month after i took roles and responsibilities of qualifying NOC. Would that be an issue ?
I read on CIC website that there is no specific pay requirements for CEC. Should i wait one more month then till i complete one full year on changed pay scale?
SecularFirst said:
You sound confusing now.
If you cannot submit job offer from qualifying NOC then, its better that you submit an experience letter for qualifying NOC.
CEC does not have any specified pay requirements, but if you state a role for which your pay is significantly lower than it should be, CIC would doubt your job and can investigate / unapprove etc.
I assume your last question means you haven't completed one full year or equivalent hours on qualifying NOC. That means you are not eligible yet. A non qualifying NOC means that period does not count, even with the same employer
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