Do we need medicals if applying for work permit and trvs from Inside Canada

[fkl]

I wanted to confirm something. If you are already in Canada on work permits with kids on temp resident visas, i understand that you apply for extension of work permit (online or sent to Vegreville) (principal applicant + spousal OWP) and for kids trvs, you have to send it to CPC Ottawa or online.

1) Is above understanding Correct? Apparently it can't be done together and processed as a single package. So one should apply for Principal wp + SOWP together first. Once that is obtained, then apply for dependent trv?

2) For a non health related profession and being inside Canada, i didn't see any where that medicals are needed. Is that true (both for wp and trvs)?

 

[Dimma]

I wanted to confirm something. If you are already in Canada on work permits with kids on temp resident visas, i understand that you apply for extension of work permit (online or sent to Vegreville) (principal applicant + spousal OWP) and for kids trvs, you have to send it to CPC Ottawa or online.

1) Is above understanding Correct? Apparently it can't be done together and processed as a single package. So one should apply for Principal wp + SOWP together first. Once that is obtained, then apply for dependent trv?

2) For a non health related profession and being inside Canada, i didn't see any where that medicals are needed. Is that true (both for wp and trvs)?

If your kid's temporary residence status is expiring along with your WP, then they also needs stay extension(Visitor Record extension).You need to apply for your WP + Spouse OWP + Kid's Visitor extension together in a single online application.

If any of the applicant(s) have arrived in Canada less than a year and not done Canadian medical examination in last one year , then they may need medical and proof of medical receipt shall be included in the online application. There are some more conditions as well , please check with CIC about your case, Careful here, they will reject your application without asking you , if the medical is needed in your application and if you fail to provide.

TRV is optional , Needed only if you want go out of Canada and re enter, TRV is to be obtained from CIC-Ottawa. You required valid WP/Visitor record to obtain it .TRV will be issued up to your WP/Visitor record validity.

 

[fkl]

Thank you Dimma,

Yes they would expire at the same time and i was looking at how to apply together, but because wp and trvs are processed at different locations, i thought they cannot be applied together as a single application.

By the time we would apply, all of the applicants would have been in Canada for more than a year. However, "not done Canadian medical examination in last one year" might be the case since thankfully we didn't need to go to a hospital here so far.

What sort of Canadian examination is needed? How would you prove if you have already been to a Canadian examination.

Thanks for the warning about if medical is needed but not provided. I thought some clarification about this would be written some where, but could not find it. Will contact CIC when the time comes. Appreciate the input.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Yes they would expire at the same time and i was looking at how to apply together, but because wp and trvs are processed at different locations, i thought they cannot be applied together as a single application.

As said above, your children do not require TRVS, as TRVs are simply entry visas. For them to remain in Canada, you must extend their stay as visitors.

The application is here http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/visitor.asp

 

[fkl]

Oh i see - thanks canuck_in_uk.

So if i try applying for trvs for us all, they will be treated separately and cost separately as well? I am asking because at least from home country, when you apply for work permit, you get a trv along while having paid only 150 CAD.

Also if you have any idea on details of medicals - i.e. how to determine if we need ones or not (except calling cic helpline), i would really appreciate that.

Thank you

 

[ragluf]

I am asking because at least from home country, when you apply for work permit, you get a trv along while having paid only 150 CAD.

If I may,
This is because you need to enter Canada as well to work. Thus a TRV (entry document) is included in the work permit (status document) application. If you are in Canada, and seeking to apply for a TRV (if you have plans to travel and then come back to Canada), it is applied for separately.

Also if you have any idea on details of medicals - i.e. how to determine if we need ones or not (except calling cic helpline)

Try to start here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op15-eng.pdf?_ga=1.198818407.91986707.1407450643
Looking for inland processing steps also referred/linked me to the OP.

5.1 Who Must Undergo an Immigration Medical Examination?
Foreign nationals required to undergo immigration medical examination are outlined in
R30(1). These include:
 foreign nationals who are applying for a permanent resident visa or applying to remain in Canada as a permanent resident as well as their family members, whether accompanying or not;
 foreign nationals who are seeking to work in Canada in an occupation in which the protection of public health is essential;
 foreign nationals who:
 are seeking entry to Canada or applying for renewal of their work or study permit or authorization to remain in Canada as a temporary resident for a period in excess of six consecutive months, including an actual or proposed period of absence from Canada of less than 14 days, and
 have resided or sojourned for a period of six consecutive months, at any time during the one-year period immediately preceding the date they sought entry or made their application, in an area that the Minister determines, after consultation with the Minister of Health, has a higher incidence of communicable disease than Canada;
 foreign nationals who an officer, or the Immigration Division, has reasonable grounds to believe are inadmissible under A38 of the Act;
 persons who claim refugee protection in Canada;and
 foreign nationals who are seeking to enter or remain in Canada and who may apply to the Minister for protection under subsection 112(1) of the Act, other than foreign nationals who have not left Canada since their claim for refugee protection or application for protection was rejected.

.../hth

 

[fkl]

Thank you soo very much ragluf, that clarifies a lot of things and is really valuable information for me.

Though the wording is a bit complex, the general feeling i get is that for a tfw who is already in Canada for a while, and not working in health related profession STILL requires undergoing medicals again whenever he/she applies for wp and dependent visa's extension.

Just confirming in case you think otherwise or believe there is any exception.

 

[ragluf]

Thank you soo very much ragluf, that clarifies a lot of things and is really valuable information for me.

Though the wording is a bit complex, the general feeling i get is that for a tfw who is already in Canada for a while, and not working in health related profession STILL requires undergoing medicals again whenever he/she applies for wp and dependent visa's extension.

Just confirming in case you think otherwise or believe there is any exception.

If your last medical was done more than a year ago, you may expect a request for medical examination in line with this WP extension. BTW this happened to me. I expected this also, given that my last medical examination was done past a year already, which is the traditional validity of immigration medical exams.

.../atb

 

[fkl]

If your last medical was done more than a year ago, you may expect a request for medical examination in line with this WP extension. BTW this happened to me. I expected this also, given that my last medical examination was done past a year already, which is the traditional validity of immigration medical exams.

.../atb

Oh - for sure by the time i apply, medicals would be way old. 2+ years. So you are saying that CIC would determine and send me a medical request? Some one said above that they might silently deny an application if no upfront medicals were submitted. Which one applies?

 

[PMM]

Hi

If your last medical was done more than a year ago, you may expect a request for medical examination in line with this WP extension. BTW this happened to me. I expected this also, given that my last medical examination was done past a year already, which is the traditional validity of immigration medical exams.

.../atb

If you have had a medical before you enter Canada, CIC won't request another medical while you remain in Canada., Unless you leave Canada for 6 months and reside in a country whose residents require medicals.

 

[ragluf]

Hi

If you have had a medical before you enter Canada, CIC won't request another medical while you remain in Canada., Unless you leave Canada for 6 months and reside in a country whose residents require medicals.

Hi,

That was what I understood also, but during my extension of WP application (it was already 1 and 3 months after), my new WP came with instructions to undergo a medical exam.

.../atb

 

[ragluf]

Oh - for sure by the time i apply, medicals would be way old. 2+ years. So you are saying that CIC would determine and send me a medical request? Some one said above that they might silently deny an application if no upfront medicals were submitted. Which one applies?

I did not submit upfront medicals when I did my work permit extension, there were no specific guidelines stating I should and I must, and most of the official guidelines do not specify upfront medicals as a requirement at submission. It states only you may. http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLish/resources/publications/dmp-handbook/index.asp#chap4.3.2
Medical instructions

You may either:

undergo an upfront medical examination by contacting a Panel Physician; or
wait until your application is reviewed and medical instructions are provided to you by the immigration office.

Note: When medical results are submitted up-front, routine cases benefit from faster processing since we do not have to request them at a later date. If you choose to have an upfront medical exam, you must submit proof that you completed the medical examination with your application. Failure to do so may result in processing delays

I opted for the latter - I waited. Some would opine it is risky, but that is a risk I evaluated and accepted - again the prevailing belief I had was being already in Canada and already completed a medical exam prior, I should not be asked again as I was not entering Canada again. But when I received my WP extension, included in there was medical exam form, and instructions to get a medical exam within 90 days. Kind of illogical, considering I already got the result (the WP extension) and yet to undergo a medical exam. But it happened. I just complied and had the medical exam.

So to answer the question - no clear cut instruction "applies" IMHO. If you are risk-averse, upfront medicals will be your safety net in this application.

.../all the best

 

[dalma11]

this is our fourth year in Canada like TW (both husband and wife) and we have our child with us. We extend our child dependent trv every time the father extend his work permit and never have been asked for medicals. More then that, even when her visa was expired for more then 3 months and she lost her status in Canada, we did flagpole and still no medicals was required.

 

[fkl]

WOW thanks PMM and dalma11,

That WAS REALLY CRITICAL for me. Sure we had medicals before entering Canada but my work permit renewal application would go close to 2+ years after that.

If we do not require medicals (myself + SOWP + open study permit for elder child and visitor record extension for younger ones), that is an important thing for me to know.

Technically i am NOC A so the 4 or two year restriction won't apply (i am already reasonably above median wage for province as well as for my profession).

So this effectively makes me think we can continue extending work and resident permits indefinitely and would only undergo medicals when we apply for PR.

Thanks.

 

[fkl]

@ragluf

Thanks a lot. It makes sense to wait since i am not on any narrow timeline for expiry. Technically i can get a six month or so extension without new LMO because our permits were shortened owning to my passport's expiry.

I actually would prefer going for a PR by then if it includes medicals.

I basically have a slight situation which makes medicals A BIT WORRYING for me.

My younger kid has had some speech delays. At that age (between 2 and 3) it can APPEAR to be a lot of things like autism, adhd and what not and so far i have not been able to find some clear cut tests to medically formally diagnose those. He has been undergoing speech therapy BEFORE coming to Canada and even now in Canada.

But we have had some detailed examination for him the first time we underwent medicals because he was not talking appropriate to his age. His current assessment says that a year or so of therapy should get him equal to his other peers of his age. He is perfectly active and well otherwise. Just speaks far fewer words / sentences compared to another 3 year old.

Because of the complication i faced the first time, i want him to undergo therapy for a year before we face another medical. My work permit is valid for another 1. 5 year though i can apply for PR much sooner. So i was evaluating all of my options and this cross info turned out to be really useful.

Thanks again.