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MissThea

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Hi. My sweetheart, who is a Togolese national and I, who am a Canadian citizen, want to be together--to marry, and have his minor children live with us. I thought about going to Togo to marry him, but realized that wouldn't mean he could come back home with me. Then he tried to get a visitor's visa, and they were charging him $4800 US. When I mentioned to someone I know who emigrated from Zimbabwe, she said, No way would it cost that much.
Thankfully, he didn't give the travel agent in Nigeria the money. But how do I get him to Canada?
I am blind, otherwise disabled, and isolated. I don't have anyone to help me with the paper work involved, and much of the internet is not accessible.
My sweetie is self-employed supplying African foodstuffs to hotels and restaurants, though he considers himself unskilled.
I just don't know where to turn next. No idea, and I realize that my case has some special elements in it.
 

zardoz

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MissThea said:
Hi. My sweetheart, who is a Togolese national and I, who am a Canadian citizen, want to be together--to marry, and have his minor children live with us. I thought about going to Togo to marry him, but realized that wouldn't mean he could come back home with me. Then he tried to get a visitor's visa, and they were charging him $4800 US. When I mentioned to someone I know who emigrated from Zimbabwe, she said, No way would it cost that much.
Thankfully, he didn't give the travel agent in Nigeria the money. But how do I get him to Canada?
I am blind, otherwise disabled, and isolated. I don't have anyone to help me with the paper work involved, and much of the internet is not accessible.
My sweetie is self-employed supplying African foodstuffs to hotels and restaurants, though he considers himself unskilled.
I just don't know where to turn next. No idea, and I realize that my case has some special elements in it.
1) How long have you known this person?
2) How did you meet?
3) If he cannot get a visitor visa to Canada, where will you marry?
4) Would he be happy to have you go to live with him if he cannot immigrate to Canada for any reason?

At the moment, you are not eligible to sponsor him to Canada under any immigration class.
However, there might be other immigration alternatives that don't involve you as a sponsor.
 

scylla

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In order for you to sponsor him, you must either be married or common law (common law means you have lived together for a minimum of one full year at the same physical address). To be approved you will also have to demonstrate that your relationship is genuine.

You can apply for a visitor visa yourself without using a consultant for a few hundred dollars here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-how.asp

There is naturally no guarantee he will be approved for the visitor visa. To be approved, he will have to show that he has strong ties to his home country and has no plans on remaining in Canada long term. Note that he is the one who will need to apply - not you.

If he can't get a visitor visa approved, then you would have to find some way to visit him.
 

zardoz

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scylla said:
To be approved you will also have to demonstrate that your relationship is genuine.
I think this is where CIC will put most scrutiny, given the circumstances. Hence the questions.
 

SenoritaBella

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1. What do you know about the mother of his minor kids?
2. Are they still together?
3. Did he pay her dowry(bride price) or do the official family introductions. If so, she is recognised as his wife.
4. Why does he want to marry you?
5. Does the mother of his children have a disability? You can be sure a visa officer will want to know.
6. Have you done your own independent investigations of him and his family to be sure his intentions are genuine? This is very important.

Just culturally, some things don't make sense.
 

aminata2010

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How long have you known this guy? Are you sure he is divorced? I ask because Divorce in African communities is not always common ( I am west African), is the mother around? someone asked..will this guy be ok with you going to live with him? I think you should try and figure that out before you make drastic moves.
 

Obronibini

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aminata2010 said:
How long have you known this guy? Are you sure he is divorced? I ask because Divorce in African communities is not always common ( I am west African), is the mother around? someone asked..will this guy be ok with you going to live with him? I think you should try and figure that out before you make drastic moves.
to add to what others have said do not send any money to abt travel agent or deal with travel agents. You are likely to be scammed. Let your husband go through the Canadian embassy directly and by himself. Embassies do not have middle men . It simple you gather your documents , file and wait for them to approve or denial . I am from west Africa too and I have Togolese friends . I know this for a fact . Do careful on money etc . If you haven't met yet you need to meet first then get married . Though it may look someway marrying on first visits others have gone through successfully. I wish you all the best and remember to put your safety first in everything you do regarding this. Keep it smarty :)
 

aminata2010

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Yes you have given good information. I dey fear oo..chey..

Obronibini said:
to add to what others have said do not send any money to abt travel agent or deal with travel agents. You are likely to be scammed. Let your husband go through the Canadian embassy directly and by himself. Embassies do not have middle men . It simple you gather your documents , file and wait for them to approve or denial . I am from west Africa too and I have Togolese friends . I know this for a fact . Do careful on money etc . If you haven't met yet you need to meet first then get married . Though it may look someway marrying on first visits others have gone through successfully. I wish you all the best and remember to put your safety first in everything you do regarding this. Keep it smarty :)
 

Obronibini

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aminata2010 said:
Yes you have given good information. I dey fear oo..chey..
lol yeah I know right . That amount is rediculous . I know few disables who lost so much. Am not saying that coz of their disability but personally I think they are more at risk or vulnerable. A lady I know went through so much and I felt so bad for her. She was isolated etc just like this lady. I like how she at least talked to someone . Good questions asked here about the mother. Where is she and why she can't take charge of the children etc . She needs to be a bit careful and continue to scrutinize everything . In Africa you see many people advertising to get you Canadian . Uk , USA etc visa . They make it look like they work with the embassy and that it so simple lol . Tons of people pay thousands and get fake visas etc. usually they work with bankers to forge account statements to demonstrate that the applicant is so rich and has no intention of remaining in those countries . Everything forge comes with a fee . Am sure she will be ok. : note am not implying her husband to be is lieing or tryin to use her "
 

on-hold

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As one participant in a marriage that had many red flags when it started, let me wish you good luck. Here are some of the obstacles that you're going to have to overcome -- I'm not listing them out of prejudice, but simply so that you can present yourself as strongly as possible. My wife too once faced similar obstacles, though not as high.

- an isolated Canadian woman with a serious disability and foreign national man will receive the highest level of scrutiny. CIC will be concerned that you are vulnerable to being exploited, AND they will consider the fact that in many countries disabilities bring higher stigma than here (i.e. that it is unlikely your partner would overlook that).

- you don't say that you have met your partner in person. If not, this will create difficulties. How did you meet? You will need a narrative for how an isolated Canadian woman and a Togolese fruit seller found each other.

- you are going to find bad advice at every turn, as your story about paying several thousand dollars for a visitor visa shows.

- and on a personal level, your case has many red flags. I lived in Thailand for many years, which is a centre of sex tourism and foreign marriage -- but there the genders are reversed, foreign men coming to marry Thai women. There is a bit of a stereotype . . . A man, in later middle-age comes, he has been divorced and alone for several years in his country; his finances are not the best, but he has some savings, often just a few tens of thousands of dollars; in his home country, things have not turned out so great and he feels like life has passed him by at some point, an aging man with little money and no career and an estranged family can become invisible.

He gets to Thailand and a pretty girl pinches his cheek and smiles . . . In three days they are married; his new life plan is to teach English in a provincial town, his wife will go to school and become more than a bar girl; maybe they will have another child, it is as if he is starting over again, he gives money to her family to show his good intentions, buys land and starts to build a house. In Thailand foreigners cannot own land, and his money is soon in his wife's name. She becomes cold, disinterested, maybe she kicks him out, he has no options, nothing to go back to, his savings are gone -- a few weeks later he jumps from the 8th floor of a hotel in Pattaya. This sequence is practically a cliche.

West Africa is one centre of sex tourism for foreign women -- in The Gambia they call the men bumboys, they hang around on beaches and restaurants and compliment the female equivalent of my example above, an aging single woman who has not received much attention from men for years. In Thailand or Togo, this turns heads, radically new life plans get made on the spot; finances are ruined, HIV is contracted, etc. etc. Always, the person who has been victimized cannot believe that another human being would do that to them -- and one reason that they can't believe it is because it is embarrassing for other people to tell them explicitly. The people on this thread who are saying 'keep it smarty' mean that, they are hinting at it, but they're too polite to say so. I'm not! I've seen this in Thailand and people need to be told bluntly -- watch your own interests at every moment! Keep your money in your name! Do NOT make long-term plans (yet)! Do NOT discuss the future with your partner, discuss the present! If they don't have anything to talk about in the present, dump them! If they have a brother/sister who they want to come live with them, you know who that is? Their true husband/wife. Tell them that you are sick of Canada, that you are thinking of coming to live with them and never going back. If they like that idea, find a way to make it happen, and after a few years, try applying -- it'll be a lot easier, and safer too, for you.
 

zardoz

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Harsh, but true... +1 for the reality check.
 

on-hold

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zardoz said:
Harsh, but true... +1 for the reality check.
It does sound harsh, but I wish it didn't. The truth is, everyone wants love and companionship, this is totally normal -- everyone wants it so much that it's easy to trick yourself, or suddenly do things that would sound insane if you aren't in love. There is a reluctance of people to point this out, often, because it is so important -- you cannot tell someone that they are tricking themselves, when it is the difference between a lonely life and a happy life. I don't believe this is good, it is better to tell someone that love is VERY important, and thus they need to be on guard against self-deception, because it is so extremely easy; every person is their own worst enemy. I understand this woman's position completely, she wants a companion in her life -- nothing is more normal than that. Unfortunately, her wish for love is a resource that can be exploited, just like my boredom at work that now generates page views for online magazines.
 
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zardoz

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And mine, that generates answers to questions on immigration forums. ;D ;D

(Actually, I'm not bored with work. It just comes in flurries of panic with periods of calm.)
 

taffy7

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A friend of mine a women in her early 50's met a man on line he told her every thing she wanted to hear. She was lonely and had no luck with Canadian men. He got a travel visa on his own then she payed for his flight to come to Canada , she sent him the money. The day he was due to arrive at the airport he called her at the airport and told her , then won't let him in to Canada because he does not have enough money in his account for the stay . She was in love desperate to meet him , he was just the other side of the wall, she transferred 8,000 $ into his account , not even thinking it would be seen in the bank for a few days. She waited and waited for him to come out of the doors .. He never showed and was never heard of again . I am so glad this Op is asking for advice. My friend did not knowing what we would tell her.

Be very careful and take the advice other forum members have given you . Best of Luck
 

aminata2010

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wow desperation for love can make people do crazy things

taffy7 said:
A friend of mine a women in her early 50's met a man on line he told her every thing she wanted to hear. She was lonely and had no luck with Canadian men. He got a travel visa on his own then she payed for his flight to come to Canada , she sent him the money. The day he was due to arrive at the airport he called her at the airport and told her , then won't let him in to Canada because he does not have enough money in his account for the stay . She was in love desperate to meet him , he was just the other side of the wall, she transferred 8,000 $ into his account , not even thinking it would be seen in the bank for a few days. She waited and waited for him to come out of the doors .. He never showed and was never heard of again . I am so glad this Op is asking for advice. My friend did not knowing what we would tell her.

Be very careful and take the advice other forum members have given you . Best of Luck