Deceased Parent
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If there no hospital records from hospital then its tough. You have to trace stpe by step and see if u could get it from CIC or some other federal department.
pkakula said:
Except that she was born outside of Canada and her birth wasn't reported to Canada - so extremely unlikely that CIC or the federal government will have any record.
Was her Canadian father listed as her father on the birth certificate? Do you have proof that he was a Canadian citizen at the time of her birth?
yes, her birth certificate states her father is canadian and so does her death record.
she was born in 1942..and not out of wedlock. her mother was not canadian.
we also have census records showing his father and mother were both canadian (my mothers grandfather and grandmother).
we have records showing the canadian family line all the way back to 1869.
on her father (my grandfather) we have a ontario birth registration - showing that her father was born here in canada
plus her birth certificate showing he is canadian and her death record also states he was canadian
her twin sister (who was born 8 minutes AFTER my mother was born) is still living - and we are not SURE if the hospital was doing their job back in 1942, and upon my mothers birth -
the hospital was SUPPOSE to report their births to canada. SO..
i called the immigration call center and explained the situation. i was directed to start a search for records form (which I did) - because as i just stated..we do not know for sure if their births were EVER reported to canada. now we are filling out this form and we are EXPECTING to get a letter back stating their births were not reported.
here lies the confusion - we have more than ample proof to prove the canadian heritage. but according to the call center, they do not issue a certificate of canadian citizenship on a person that is desceased. but i was told that even though my mother is deceased, and she cannot get a certificate - that her birth will be reported to canada and she will be listed as canadian.
the problem is - once this happens - how or what kind of proof do I get that she is listed as canadian?? what kind of documentation will i recieve so that i can in turn activate a dual citizenship?
she was born in 1942..and not out of wedlock. her mother was not canadian.
we also have census records showing his father and mother were both canadian (my mothers grandfather and grandmother).
we have records showing the canadian family line all the way back to 1869.
on her father (my grandfather) we have a ontario birth registration - showing that her father was born here in canada
plus her birth certificate showing he is canadian and her death record also states he was canadian
her twin sister (who was born 8 minutes AFTER my mother was born) is still living - and we are not SURE if the hospital was doing their job back in 1942, and upon my mothers birth -
the hospital was SUPPOSE to report their births to canada. SO..
i called the immigration call center and explained the situation. i was directed to start a search for records form (which I did) - because as i just stated..we do not know for sure if their births were EVER reported to canada. now we are filling out this form and we are EXPECTING to get a letter back stating their births were not reported.
here lies the confusion - we have more than ample proof to prove the canadian heritage. but according to the call center, they do not issue a certificate of canadian citizenship on a person that is desceased. but i was told that even though my mother is deceased, and she cannot get a certificate - that her birth will be reported to canada and she will be listed as canadian.
the problem is - once this happens - how or what kind of proof do I get that she is listed as canadian?? what kind of documentation will i recieve so that i can in turn activate a dual citizenship?
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Whether or not you're Canadian by descent depends on when you were born. How old are you?dcurvez said:
i was born in 1968 in the united states.
according to the timelines of both my mothers birth (1942)
and my birth (1968)
that we both are before the law changes waaaaaay back in the 70's.
at the time of my mothers birth - she was born to a canadian - which made her canadian - cut and dry
my situation is up in the air at this point, but being born in 1968- should qualify for dual - as my birth was
before the changes in law of the 70's
however, the question of whether or not i qualify is not really the issue here -
the question is only to see what kind of acknowledgement/ documentation will the canadian government give on my mother -
are they going to give a letter of acknowledgement or something that i can then continue on with??
according to the timelines of both my mothers birth (1942)
and my birth (1968)
that we both are before the law changes waaaaaay back in the 70's.
at the time of my mothers birth - she was born to a canadian - which made her canadian - cut and dry
my situation is up in the air at this point, but being born in 1968- should qualify for dual - as my birth was
before the changes in law of the 70's
however, the question of whether or not i qualify is not really the issue here -
the question is only to see what kind of acknowledgement/ documentation will the canadian government give on my mother -
are they going to give a letter of acknowledgement or something that i can then continue on with??
Actually it's not so cut and dry yet.
Was your mother GRANTED Canadian citizenship before you were born? This is a very key question. You should take the following test to see what I mean.
At one point the quiz will ask you if your mother was born in Canada or granted Canadian citizenship before you were born. Pretty sure the answer to this question for you is no. If you answer no, the quiz next asks you if your birth was registered with the Canadian government. Pretty sure the answer to that question is no as well. Based on those answers, you are not a Canadian citizen.
Again, please take the quiz. I may have selected an incorrect option.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/tool_04.asp
Was your mother GRANTED Canadian citizenship before you were born? This is a very key question. You should take the following test to see what I mean.
At one point the quiz will ask you if your mother was born in Canada or granted Canadian citizenship before you were born. Pretty sure the answer to this question for you is no. If you answer no, the quiz next asks you if your birth was registered with the Canadian government. Pretty sure the answer to that question is no as well. Based on those answers, you are not a Canadian citizen.
Again, please take the quiz. I may have selected an incorrect option.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/tool_04.asp
that is just it - i do not KNOW if she was GRANTED or not. thats why the search form, im guessing.
i DO know that all of my life (well, not all..but for all of my CHILDHOOD life)
my mother use to tell us - "all of you kids have dual citizenship because of your grandfather"
now- do we?? were any steps taken when we were born or when we were babies to ensure this???
i do not know...thus again - the search form *Sigh*
i am not trying to be rude or anything, as i sure do appreciate the help that anyone can give me-
but the question i posed is not whether or not i qualify for dual - as i do understand that there are many steps and
many different variables - that must be worked on and answered on an individual case between each person and immigration.
the original question was to find out how to get canada to recognize her birth (if it was not reported in 1942 by the hospital or anyone) (which i am asuming it was not)
then how do i get them to RECOGNIZE her birth now, because just because she is dead should not erase her birth/ her birthline, birthright.
whether or not we or I qualify for dual is a whole nother fight and im sure it will be just that...a FIGHT
i DO know that all of my life (well, not all..but for all of my CHILDHOOD life)
my mother use to tell us - "all of you kids have dual citizenship because of your grandfather"
now- do we?? were any steps taken when we were born or when we were babies to ensure this???
i do not know...thus again - the search form *Sigh*
i am not trying to be rude or anything, as i sure do appreciate the help that anyone can give me-
but the question i posed is not whether or not i qualify for dual - as i do understand that there are many steps and
many different variables - that must be worked on and answered on an individual case between each person and immigration.
the original question was to find out how to get canada to recognize her birth (if it was not reported in 1942 by the hospital or anyone) (which i am asuming it was not)
then how do i get them to RECOGNIZE her birth now, because just because she is dead should not erase her birth/ her birthline, birthright.
whether or not we or I qualify for dual is a whole nother fight and im sure it will be just that...a FIGHT
I don't believe there is a way to "get your mother's birth recognised by Canada.". Nor is it necessary to do what it is you are trying to do. If it was never registered, I suspect it's moot at this point.
I'm not sure what search you referred to above, but if you haven't already, I would suggest submitting a request to search CIC's citizenship records http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/search.asp for proof that your mother was granted citizenship.
Alternatively, you could gather up as much information as possible and apply for proof of citizenship for yourself : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/proof.asp This would be your way of asking CIC to make a formal determination as to whether or not you are a citizen.
I suspect that your case would require special consideration since it isn't cut and dry, and it is likely to be denied if you have never established significant ties to Canada. A lot of people think they are Canadian citizens when they really aren't, due to not being fully aware of the laws. I don't know your whole story, but some "lost Canadians" have even lived in Canada since childhood but find out that they aren't citizens when trying to claim retirement benefits. For those who have spent most of their lives outside Canada, the suspicion is that they are trying to now claim direct citizenship so they can benefit from health/social benefits and/or assistance. Like I said, I don't know your whole story, so....Good luck!
I'm not sure what search you referred to above, but if you haven't already, I would suggest submitting a request to search CIC's citizenship records http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/search.asp for proof that your mother was granted citizenship.
Alternatively, you could gather up as much information as possible and apply for proof of citizenship for yourself : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/proof.asp This would be your way of asking CIC to make a formal determination as to whether or not you are a citizen.
I suspect that your case would require special consideration since it isn't cut and dry, and it is likely to be denied if you have never established significant ties to Canada. A lot of people think they are Canadian citizens when they really aren't, due to not being fully aware of the laws. I don't know your whole story, but some "lost Canadians" have even lived in Canada since childhood but find out that they aren't citizens when trying to claim retirement benefits. For those who have spent most of their lives outside Canada, the suspicion is that they are trying to now claim direct citizenship so they can benefit from health/social benefits and/or assistance. Like I said, I don't know your whole story, so....Good luck!
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