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xotic

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Any idea how long it takes if your case is sent to CSIS for clearance AFTER the test and interview. Checked GCM notes, nothing in there. Reason for CSIS clearance I believe could be that I belong to a country considered high security risk. Any one who went through this and got the citizenship? I know it would be different in every case, just want to know if I am in for a long haul.....how long a haul :) and if it will come to end at all !!! Also has anyone's citizenship been declined/ rejected for security reasons.
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dpenabill

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xotic said:
Any idea how long it takes if your case is sent to CSIS for clearance AFTER the test and interview. Checked GCM notes, nothing in there. Reason for CSIS clearance I believe could be that I belong to a country considered high security risk. Any one who went through this and got the citizenship? I know it would be different in every case, just want to know if I am in for a long haul.....how long a haul :) and if it will come to end at all !!! Also has anyone's citizenship been declined/ rejected for security reasons.
Comments are solicited and will be appreciated.
I have no personal experience, and I am no expert, and a significant part of what I know in particular about the background checks, including the CSIS security check, is related to information obtained a few years ago (2012 and 2013 ATI responses).

I can, however, offer some observations:

Foremost, you are absolutely right on point in recognizing that what is involved and how long it takes for the CSIS security check, is indeed very different depending on the individual involved. There really are no general observations beyond this, beyond recognizing that how it goes will depend on the particulars of the individual case.

It warrants noting that for the vast majority of applicants the delays range from minimal to several months, and for most of those more likely to experience longer delays than this, they will generally know, or should upon reasonable reflection know, that they are among those more likely to experience more scrutiny and longer delays, and why. (Many will deny this, but not convincingly.) All that is generally required is an updated clearance, which may cause some delay but usually not much.

As for longer delays than the routine updating of the clearance:

While home country makes a difference, as you also observe, and indeed some countries raise more issues, it is clear that many applicants from such countries do not encounter significant delays. My guess is that the particular region of the country can make a difference.

But what probably makes the most difference is the nature and extent of travel abroad since becoming a PR and particularly in the last four or six years. Travel since applying is also a factor. The immigrant from Somalia or certain parts of Pakistan, for example, who did not travel to his or her home country, or that part of the world, since becoming a PR, is far less likely to encounter any delays related to CSIS checks than the individual who has regularly visited, or especially one who has resided for a period, in his or her home country since becoming a PR or in the last four years or so.

The more the applicant has been abroad, the higher the risk of elevated scrutiny, including potential referrals to counterparts abroad requesting local inquiries. The latter tend, so far as can be discerned, to result in the longer delays.

Another more or less obvious factor, in addition to any direct reason for there to be a security concern for the individual, is whether the individual has any family member or business associates who CSIS might have identified as either directly involved in activities raising some concern or who in turn have been associated with someone else who has.

Delays can range from minimal to many years, depending again on the individual and the reasons for further inquiries. In formal cases I have seen some take six or eight years. But some relief has been given by the Federal Court, in some cases. At least one Federal Court justice ruled that CIC (then, now it is IRCC) cannot just make the referral to CSIS and sit on it until CSIS acts, that CIC has an obligation to timely process the application and thus may need to make follow-up requests for CSIS to complete its checks. That would be accomplished by pursuing the path leading to Mandamus, and generally it seems (although there is no actual time line) the case must be in limbo for years before this recourse is available.

There are of course special circumstances raising more concern, which might not have been fully examined in the CSIS background check attendant the process of becoming a PR. One example in the formal cases was an individual who worked for an aid agency, as a doctor, during one of the conflicts in the Balkans, and after this individual became a PR, long after leaving the employ of that aid agency, that aid agency subsequently was identified as a potential supporter of a terrorist organization. I do not recall how this case was ultimately decided, but in the meantime the individual's citizenship application was on hold for many years.

But again, for the vast majority of applicants, there is merely an update needed for the CSIS clearance and it is no big deal.
 

xotic

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Thanks for your reply Dpenabil. I appreciate the time you spent on it. :)

Your reply pretty much sums up all there is to my query. In my case its not been an extra ordinary delay for the oath but as there was nothing in the GCM notes so I assume this could be the factor in delay of my oath. But you do seem to be quite knowledgeable in such affairs. Are you a consultant or a lawyer by any chance?

Thanks and regards
 

dpenabill

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xotic said:
Your reply pretty much sums up all there is to my query. In my case its not been an extra ordinary delay for the oath but as there was nothing in the GCM notes so I assume this could be the factor in delay of my oath. But you do seem to be quite knowledgeable in such affairs. Are you a consultant or a lawyer by any chance?

Thanks and regards
I am not a consultant. I am not a Canadian lawyer. I am no expert.

But, indeed, because I do offer some in-depth observations based on quite a lot of homework (over the course of many years now) in response to some queries or subjects, I often get PM questions regarding which I have nothing at all to offer, subjects I know little about. My lack of ability to answer such questions well illustrates the extent to which I am no expert.

To the extent I have any expertise, it is relative to a few narrow issues, mostly but not entirely related to residency issues, which I have followed and studied for nearly eight years now.

Note: so far as I have seen, GCMS reports to individuals will not have any indication if the CSIS background check is a routine update or waiting on a particular inquiry. But, as I noted in my previous post, almost anyone who is going to be subject to the more extensive check should have a good clue that they are among those for whom this is a risk (albeit, again, many if not most in this situation tend to be in denial or at least deny this).
 

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I think it's an interesting article about requesting ATIP from CSIS. https://www.thestar.com/news/privacy-blog/2015/05/what-happens-when-you-request-your-csis-file.html
Obviously it has nothing to do with citizenship, and one shouldn't expect to get information regarding him/herself by requesting ATIP. But the fact is, if you come from the "high security risk" country, they probably have you in the system. If there is some kind of delay from CSIS part that's because, as dpenabill point it out, CIC just does not follow up with their requests.