CRS 400+ WHAT SHALL WE DO NOW

[bestofluck]

ALL THOSE ABOVE 400 CRS. WHAT SHALL WE DO KNOW. SHALL WE WAIT FOR THE SELECTION IN THE NEXT ROUND OF DRAWS. OR SHALL WE OPT FOR PNP/ WHICH PNP IS BETTER TO OPT.

 

[mf4361]

What we know is there are >8000 people in the pool between CRS 400-450, and another ~2000 CRS 451+

Every draw takes the top ~1500+/-200 people

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/reports/ee-midyear-2015.asp

 

[tfeddy2012]

ALL THOSE ABOVE 400 CRS. WHAT SHALL WE DO KNOW. SHALL WE WAIT FOR THE SELECTION IN THE NEXT ROUND OF DRAWS. OR SHALL WE OPT FOR PNP/ WHICH PNP IS BETTER TO OPT.

i Believe we just have to hang in there, I,m also on crs 440 created my EE profile since July 1 and yet to receive Ontario pnp invitation..schooled and working in Ontario at present.
thinking of improving my celpip score if that would push me into 450,s

 

[karan-91]

ALL THOSE ABOVE 400 CRS. WHAT SHALL WE DO KNOW. SHALL WE WAIT FOR THE SELECTION IN THE NEXT ROUND OF DRAWS. OR SHALL WE OPT FOR PNP/ WHICH PNP IS BETTER TO OPT.

401 is above 400. So is 1199.

What is the score that concerns you?

 

[bestofluck]

Well today is the day, There could be a draw. As I guessed will it move to crs 750+ and than following draw it shall reduce to 431 and 425. I think its a fair good chance of 425+ in the coming months. This is based on their July report Analysis. Though new entries coming into pool are now increasing and the number of people scoring above 450 are also increasing the pool might get slower. The only hope lies in the trick....If they increase the number of intake i.e they almost take 1500 in every draw which is not enuf to fulfill their quota of this year and I very well feel they will increase the intake number to 3000 very soon and that's the only way crs would drop to 425. Lets hope for the best. Best of luck all of you above 400.

MY GUESS IS AS BELOW

15TH DRAW - CRS 750
16TH DRAW - CRS 441
17TH DRAW - CRS 425

i am waiting in the pool with 438 crs....best of luck to all for todays draw if it happens!

 

[mushej]

What we know is there are >8000 people in the pool between CRS 400-450, and another ~2000 CRS 451+

Every draw takes the top ~1500+/-200 people

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/reports/ee-midyear-2015.asp

the number of 8000 profiles is exaggerated because in 8000 profiles there are a lot of double profiles created before and after June 1

 

[bestofluck]

well not worry about how many profiles are there...they should increase the number of intake from 1500 to 3000 or 4000 or say they must take out a draw only for fsw or ee separately so that all gets a fair chance. well todays guessing is anything above 435 crs.....and this can only happen if they increase the number of intake. they have to increase or they dont complete thier quota of 2015....and they dont want to make many draws this year...so might be in the last few draws between 15th draw and the 20th draw the crs reduce to 430....lets all watch the graph today

 

[kateg]

they should increase the number of intake from 1500 to 3000 or 4000

Why would they do that? The point of Express Entry is to get the best candidates, and get them processed quickly. The bigger the draw, the lower the score, and the longer the waits. At the current draws, they are keeping processing to 105 days or so, and processing almost everyone within 6 months (as promised).

or say they must take out a draw only for fsw or ee separately so that all gets a fair chance.

Everyone gets a fair chance. If your score is above the cutoff, you get picked. They may do a CEC draw or too, but there's no evidence they would do that for FSW. Given the way things have been so far, there wouldn't really be much point.

well todays guessing is anything above 435 crs

That's unlikely given what we've seen so far. The lowest I could reasonably see it going would be around 447 (given how many people have been waiting < 453, who haven't gone the PNP route). 435 would require a large draw, which they have shown no inclination to do.

they have to increase or they dont complete thier quota of 2015....and they dont want to make many draws this year...so might be in the last few draws between 15th draw and the 20th draw the crs reduce to 430....

They have a backlog of applicants under the old system.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/data-release/2014-Q3/index.asp

They can literally not take another EE application all year, and still meet their targets. When the backlog gets to zero, we may very well see some score drops, but that's not likely this year.

 

[kyxy]

Why would they do that? The point of Express Entry is to get the best candidates, and get them processed quickly. The bigger the draw, the lower the score, and the longer the waits. At the current draws, they are keeping processing to 105 days or so, and processing almost everyone within 6 months (as promised).

Everyone gets a fair chance. If your score is above the cutoff, you get picked. They may do a CEC draw or too, but there's no evidence they would do that for FSW. Given the way things have been so far, there wouldn't really be much point.

That's unlikely given what we've seen so far. The lowest I could reasonably see it going would be around 447 (given how many people have been waiting < 453, who haven't gone the PNP route). 435 would require a large draw, which they have shown no inclination to do.

They have a backlog of applicants under the old system.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/data-release/2014-Q3/index.asp

They can literally not take another EE application all year, and still meet their targets. When the backlog gets to zero, we may very well see some score drops, but that's not likely this year.

I can't imagine how FSW would be drawed here. FSW most likely have 250-450 scores, again this is due to its criteria where it doesn't really require arranged employment in canada. Think of it, its easy to pass the 67 mark even if you don't have employer since that is just 10 points out of 100 which is 10% of FSW. If you are in the pool ranked per CRS your score will fail so hard with a -600 points that is 50% of CRS. If you do that math, that is just so imbalanced.

Doesn't make sense being rated less 10% in FSW for not having an employer and then get rekt by -50% on CRS because of the same reason.

 

[kateg]

I can't imagine how FSW would be drawed here. FSW most likely have 250-450 scores, again this is due to its criteria where it doesn't really require arranged employment in canada. Think of it, its easy to pass the 67 mark even if you don't have employer since that is just 10 points out of 100 which is 10% of FSW. If you are in the pool ranked per CRS your score will fail so hard with a -600 points that is 50% of CRS. If you do that math, that is just so imbalanced.

Doesn't make sense being rated less 10% in FSW for not having an employer and then get rekt by -50% on CRS because of the same reason.

It does make sense, actually. CRS is target more at long term success, FSW is targeted more at workers. CRS ranks FSW, FSTP, and CEC. You may be a good worker, but still a bad fit for Canada. The FSW points system was designed for a "first come, first serve" approach that didn't think long-term enough. Instead of fixing it directly, they rolled it into CRS.

The 50% boost is because the whole point of Express Entry is to meet Canada's long-term needs, and filling labour shortages is one of them. If you have a job that cannot be filled by a Canadian, they figure it's an essential skill and want you to stay. If it helps, you can think of it as an automatic in, rather than a 50% deduction.

 

[bestofluck]

kateg you have a grudge againts us. Kateg I would tell you where is is fair ? the profiles with 470 have accepted OONP and than scores reduced to 451 is it fair? kateg just observe the statistics nothing is going right. dont just blame people going to every colomn.

kateg is just criticizing to get noticed in the colomn. kateg this is no fun. This is our future and we all discuss with logic. All who has got above 400 are intelligent enuf to discuss . kateg please just be negative in life. u can be noticed being good

 

[kyxy]

It does make sense, actually. CRS is target more at long term success, FSW is targeted more at workers. CRS ranks FSW, FSTP, and CEC. You may be a good worker, but still a bad fit for Canada. The FSW points system was designed for a "first come, first serve" approach that didn't think long-term enough. Instead of fixing it directly, they rolled it into CRS.

The 50% boost is because the whole point of Express Entry is to meet Canada's long-term needs, and filling labour shortages is one of them. If you have a job that cannot be filled by a Canadian, they figure it's an essential skill and want you to stay. If it helps, you can think of it as an automatic in, rather than a 50% deduction.

Yes I got your point. But the problem here is that its been a long time that they were promoting what an ideal applicant should be by the factors such as age, work experience, credentials, educations, good English and etc. Now because of the 50% boost on arranged employment/nomination those factors became irrelevant.

The ones that will suffer here are those professionals coming from other countries (BS degree holders like Engineers, Nurses, Accountants, ITs, etc). Canadian employer doesn't really want to hire professionals from outside their country because of their high educational standards. They are more likely to hire employees with not much educational achievements and factors as mentioned. This makes FSWP irrelevant. What's the point of having FSWP when they are bound to fail on Comprehensive Ranking System?

 

[kateg]

kateg you have a grudge againts us.

No, I don't. I care about Canada, and I try to help those who will make it better and wish to immigrate.

Kateg I would tell you where is is fair ? the profiles with 470 have accepted OONP and than scores reduced to 451 is it fair?

Perfectly, absolutely, completely fair. They applied to OOPNP, they were granted OOPNP, and they are expected to abide by the terms.

If I buy an iPhone 6 today for $500, and tomorrow they announce the iPhone 7, and the iPhone 6 goes on sale for $400, it's still fair. I offered to buy an iPhone 6 for $500, and I got an iPhone 6 for $500. What other people pay at some later date is irrelevant.

kateg just observe the statistics nothing is going right. dont just blame people going to every colomn.

Who's blaming anyone? I watch the data, try to learn from it, and try to help people figure out what's going on.

 

[bestofluck]

No, I don't. I care about Canada, and I try to help those who will make it better and wish to immigrate.

Perfectly, absolutely, completely fair. They applied to OOPNP, they were granted OOPNP, and they are expected to abide by the terms.

If I buy an iPhone 6 today for $500, and tomorrow they announce the iPhone 7, and the iPhone 6 goes on sale for $400, it's still fair. I offered to buy an iPhone 6 for $500, and I got an iPhone 6 for $500. What other people pay at some later date is irrelevant.

Who's blaming anyone? I watch the data, try to learn from it, and try to help people figure out what's going on.

don't convince me by that iphone theory,.,,its just contradicting Canada's own saying..they want to see merit not first come first basis...go through it

 

[kateg]

don't convince me by that iphone theory,.,,its just contradicting Canada's own saying..they want to see merit not first come first basis...go through it

It's still merit. Canada doesn't have the option of keeping people waiting for 10 years waiting for the most perfect candidate.

Instead, they decide "We need 1700 people", and as of that day, they pick the 1700 most qualified people they know how to find. On some other day, they decide "we need 300", and pick the 300 best.

You are right in that they don't want it to just be luck - they try to minimize that. That's part of why they keep the score fairly stable for express entry. They have been careful to keep it higher than 450, as they don't want to drop it too low.

If they had the option of picking only 800+ candidates, they would. There just aren't that many good candidates.