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Confusion Over NOC Selection for OINP Application: Employer Lists 52120, Duties Align with 21233

Massok

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Nov 25, 2024
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Toronto
Category........
PNP
Job Offer........
Yes
Hi there, everyone! I’m currently in the process of applying for the Ontario OINP Employer Job Offer: International Student stream (PNP), and I’ve run into some doubts about which NOC to include in my profile.

I'm currently working as a Level Designer in a Toronto videogame company, and well, if you check the Job Bank website for Level Designers, it clearly says that the NOC number for this role is 52120.
The problem is that if you check the duties of the 52120 on the NOC website, they don't match what I'm doing at all. On the other hand, the duties of the NOC 21233 closely match what I do—with the only difference being the use of “website” instead of “video game” in their descriptions.

I’ve read in various threads here in the forum that when there’s a discrepancy between your job title and the duties listed under a specific NOC, it’s more important to match the duties rather than the title. As I understand it, if the company provides a Letter of Explanation (LOE) detailing this mismatch, it’s generally acceptable.

I brought this up with the international mobility specialist at my company, hoping they could assist since using NOC 21233 would significantly boost my PNP score—making it more likely I’ll be invited in the next draw. Unfortunately, my score with NOC 52120 is far less competitive.

But when I raised this with the specialist, they replied:

There is no way to change it. The NOC we have is 52120. If we were to change it, it would require weeks of research, and we’d then have to update everyone with the same title. It’s a long process, so we cannot change it. The work attestation we provide will list NOC 52120. I understand the confusion, but I cannot advise submitting another NOC code. This is our team’s expertise, and we must comply with our research. If you choose to submit a different NOC, that is your decision, but I strongly advise against it. The documents we provide will list NOC 52120, so submitting another code won’t work. These NOCs are researched thoroughly by experts, so I recommend sticking to 52120.
I tried explaining that this isn’t about the title—“Level Designer” is correct—but rather about how broad the field is. Two people with the same title could have very different specializations. For instance, my role is entirely technical, not artistic, so it aligns with NOC 21233, whereas 52120 seems more fitting for Level Artists. Even my job description at the company aligns closely with NOC 21233, as you can see below:

Level designer
Summary
The level designer will create game levels and create and/or implement gameplay situations based on the creative vision.

Responsibilities
The main and routine tasks of the level designer are to:
• Understand the role of their level in the overall game experience through the vision set out by the creative director;
• In collaboration with members of the narrative group, ensure that the flow, timing and pace of the level and the distribution of the element to add variety are in line with the level’s place within the game;
• Prototype the environment, establish the layouts and suggest ways to use interactive and static means to create emotion for the player;
• Communicate the results of the prototype to other working units to validate intentions and assess the technical feasibility (level design technical director) and quality of the maps (level design director);
• Work in collaboration with the level artist to ensure that the level is playable and that the graphic elements support each other;
• Integrate new elements into the map as they are produced (new gameplay, AI, sound, etc.);
• Anticipate technical challenges and correct bugs entered into the database by testers whenever necessary;
• Carry out all other related tasks.

Training
College diploma in video game level design and production or equivalent.

Relevant Experience
Minimum 1-3 years’ experience in video game level design and production or other relevant experience.

Skills and Knowledge
• Ability to work effectively as part of a team;
• Creativity;
• Critical sense and analytical skills;
• Structure and rigour;
• User focus
Despite my arguments, the specialist maintained their position, stating that the documentation will list NOC 52120 and advised against using a different code.

The problem, as I mentioned earlier, is that I don’t have a high enough score to be invited if I use NOC 52120. Unfortunately, I can’t see any other way to increase my score since I already have two bachelor’s degrees and achieved the maximum score on the CELPIP. My only hope is to use NOC 21233 instead.

With all this in mind, my questions are:
  • Does the NOC I submit need to match the one listed in the work attestation provided by my employer?
  • Is there a way to convince the PNP immigration office to accept a different NOC from my work attestation if I can demonstrate that my duties align more closely with it?
Thank you so much for your patience and for reading all this! ❤
 

Naturgrl

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With all this in mind, my questions are:
  • Does the NOC I submit need to match the one listed in the work attestation provided by my employer? YES.
  • Is there a way to convince the PNP immigration office to accept a different NOC from my work attestation if I can demonstrate that my duties align more closely with it? NO. When your company fills out the mandatory form, they will list the NOC that they have selected. If the NOC doesn’t match your EOI and doesn’t give you enough points then your application will be refused. This is a job offer stream so the NOC must match all documents.
 
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Massok

Newbie
Nov 25, 2024
2
0
32
Toronto
Category........
PNP
Job Offer........
Yes
With all this in mind, my questions are:
  • Does the NOC I submit need to match the one listed in the work attestation provided by my employer? YES.
  • Is there a way to convince the PNP immigration office to accept a different NOC from my work attestation if I can demonstrate that my duties align more closely with it? NO. When your company fills out the mandatory form, they will list the NOC that they have selected. If the NOC doesn’t match your EOI and doesn’t give you enough points then your application will be refused. This is a job offer stream so the NOC must match all documents.
Thanks for your quick reply!

My current EOI results give me 65 points, and I don't see much that I can do to increase it other than use the NOC 21233 (9+ points) or learn French (+5 points).

Your EOI results:
Scoring FactorsYour AnswerScore Points
1. Labour Market / Employment Factors
Job Offer: NOC TEER CategoryTEER Category 28
Job Offer: NOC Broad Occupational CategoryOccupations in art, culture, recreation and sport3
Job Offer: NOC52120 - Graphic designers and illustratorsNot scored for this stream
Job Offer: Hourly Wage$307
Job Tenure with Job Offer Employer6-12 months currently working in job offer position3
Earnings History$0
Work Permit Status in CanadaWorker10
2. Education
Highest Level of Education / Highest Certificate, Diploma or DegreeBachelor's degree or equivalent6
Field of StudyHumanities0
Number of Canadian Credentials210
3. Language
Highest Official Language AbilityCLB 1010
Knowledge of Both Official LanguagesNo5
4. Regionalization
Job Offer LocationToronto0
Location of StudyHalton3
Total Points65
The last draw for other priority occupations in the International Student stream had a score of 77 and above.

If you don’t mind me taking a bit more advantage of your kindness, I’d love your advice on these questions:
  • Do you think I have a chance of being invited by this PNP with my current score?
  • If not, are there other ways to significantly boost my score, aside from changing my NOC or taking a French test?
Thanks so much for your help!