Clarifying questions and advice regarding my Romanian (Moldovan) wife in the UK

[Ajutor]

Good morning! Thank you for reading this and your help, in advance.

I am looking for some help on what to include as evidence, I have a bunch - but I am not sure what I might be missing, as well as what we can do to have her in the country while the sponsorship is going through. I think this is still the route we want to go (sponsorship), but it's really hard being away from each other.

We will be applying Outland because she is still in England (much to my chagrin); my wife is a Moldovan holding Romanian citizenship (she allowed the Moldovan citizenship to lapse), living in England (permanent residency) - which I assume won't make the process easier.

Some quick background info:

I met my now-wife in England just over a year ago, in January (about a week after I arrived in England), as I was working there as a teacher. We had a whirlwind romance (I struggled a bit for the month of February with homesickness) - we texted constantly and began dating in March.

I had to leave England for a week in late April to attend a funeral, and then returned again. I met her family just before I left. We went on a vacation together in May, with her family, to Italy. In late April / early May is when my now-wife begins talking to my parents. Continuing teaching, I move in to her flat in June, we go on a few more outings with her family to some historical places (Stonehenge, Arundel Castle, etc.).

School ends at the end of July, and I am going to go back to Calgary for August. We apply for a visitor visa, it's denied. We reapply adding what they said we were missing, and we are denied again. There was no proof of her stability (she had just quit her last teaching position and was looking for a new one), and they were not convinced of my immigration status to the UK (I was over on a 2 year visa, I was not immigrating). I spend a month back 'home', but we text and Skype as often as we can.

I return to England in September, and I am 'surplused' at my school roughly three weeks into the semester, but they pay me until the end of October (unions, contracts, etc.). I book myself and my girlfriend (at the time) a trip to Nice and Monaco and I propose (October 5). We return, and my friend from Calgary arrives on the 7th and meets my now-fiancé. We spend the next 12 days travelling across some historical places in Europe as a group of three.

We return on October 20th to England we decide to get married on November 9th (I am impatient). I am not interested in taking another job as a teacher in England. November 9th was the day I was originally going to propose, but because of how things worked with me losing my job, I was early on it. I return to Canada and invite my parents and grandparents to the wedding. Only my parents can make it. They officially meet in person on the 7th of November, we get married on the 9th, I leave again for Canada on the 12th.

Each time I return to Canada I return to a job. I also get a job as a teacher in November, albeit, a substitute teacher (but with two school boards).

We apply for a visitor visa for her to come for Christmas. It is denied because we did not provide sufficient evidence that she would return to the United Kingdom upon completion of the Visa's period. She has a job at this point, her mother and sister are still in England (and we provided that information) - not sure what else we could have provided. Regardless, I travel to England for 12 days over the holidays.

I return and continue to work on the sponsorship.

Evidence I currently have:

• 609 pages of What'sApp conversations between myself and my wife
• What'sApp conversations between my wife and my parents
• Emails between my wife and my aunts and grandparents
• Screenshots of my Facebook announcing different relationship statuses
• Statements from family and friends about our relationship
• Pictures of my wife and I at Stonehenge, Arundel, in Verona, in Nice, in Monaco, in a ferry crossing the English channel, etc.
• Pictures of my wife with my friend Greg when he came over to Europe in October
• Pictures of the guests at the wedding and the reception
• Plane tickets

Am I missing anything crucial that I should be including for the two of us? Are there things that I should not be including?

Next steps:

When we apply, are there any ways that she can come over while the process is ongoing? She has been denied for three visitor visas.

I've had a look, but I don't quite understand.

Thank y'all very much for all of your help. I understand that it's a wall of text.

 

[scylla]

It looks like you are in pretty good shape to submit the spousal sponsorship application (i.e. you have plenty of evidence). I would also include any receipts/bills from the wedding, any joint bills/credit card statements you may have, any other proof you have combined your affairs (e.g. bank statements, wills mentioning each other), proof you lived together.

She would have to apply for a tourist visa to come here while the application is being processed. However given she already has three TRV refusals, I unfortunately don't think that's going to be possible (i.e. if she applies again, she'll most likely just be refused again).

 

[Ajutor]

It looks like you are in pretty good shape to submit the spousal sponsorship application (i.e. you have plenty of evidence). I would also include any receipts/bills from the wedding, any joint bills/credit card statements you may have, any other proof you have combined your affairs (e.g. bank statements, wills mentioning each other), proof you lived together.

Perfect, thank you! I will make sure to add in the money I would transfer her for bills. We had no joint accounts. I do have a benefits package with one of the schoolboards that list her as my beneficiary - I'm still waiting for that to come through, though.

She would have to apply for a tourist visa to come here while the application is being processed. However given she already has three TRV refusals, I unfortunately don't think that's going to be possible (i.e. if she applies again, she'll most likely just be refused again).

Is there any other option? I've seen some people mentioning people coming after the application was submitted - and maybe getting work visas earlier, or something? Does that not apply because it's outland?

 

[Ajutor]

Another question:

Regarding part 3 - she would complete the Western Europe because she lives in the UK. It asks for previous passports and travel for the past 10 years:

• She doesn't have her previous passport any more (which I don't think is unusual) - what do we do about that?
• What if she doesn't know specific dates she travelled to specific countries? She estimates that she travelled a minimum of three times a year for the past ten years.

 

[scylla]

Is there any other option? I've seen some people mentioning people coming after the application was submitted - and maybe getting work visas earlier, or something? Does that not apply because it's outland?

Correct - the work permit does not apply to her situation because you are applying outland.

 

[Ajutor]

Correct - the work permit does not apply to her situation because you are applying outland.

Is there a way to get her here while the sponsorship is processing other than that?

Like, should we try to get her here on a vistor visa and then apply inland? Or, is there another method?

 

[scylla]

Is there a way to get her here while the sponsorship is processing other than that?

Like, should we try to get her here on a vistor visa and then apply inland? Or, is there another method?

Sure - you can try applying for another visitor visa. However again, with three refusals already under her belt, I think the chances of approval are very slim.

The only other methods are a work permit (she would need to find an employer willing to offer her a full time job in Canada and who is also willing to go through the LMIA process including waiting for several months for the LMIA approval and paying a $1,000 processing fee) or a study permit (would require her to first be accepted into a full time college or university program in Canada that is longer than six months, will require a bank balance of $30K+, and will require her to convince CIC that she is a genuine student rather than just someone who is using the study permit as a means of getting to Canada).

 

[Ajutor]

Sure - you can try applying for another visitor visa. However again, with three refusals already under her belt, I think the chances of approval are very slim.

The only other methods are a work permit (she would need to find an employer willing to offer her a full time job in Canada and who is also willing to go through the LMIA process including waiting for several months for the LMIA approval and paying a $1,000 processing fee) or a study permit (would require her to first be accepted into a full time college or university program in Canada that is longer than six months, will require a bank balance of $30K+, and will require her to convince CIC that she is a genuine student rather than just someone who is using the study permit as a means of getting to Canada).

Damn. Not at all what I was hoping to hear.

Thank you.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

• 609 pages of What'sApp conversations between myself and my wife

Don't include all 609 pages in the app. Those who have included such evidence before have seen in their file notes that CIC simply shreds the majority of it. Pare it right down to a selection of messages from each month.