Chnages in Express Entry Profile

[The Wall]

I applied for express entry on month of July along with my spouse. And my current CRS score is 421. As I am not getting ITA, I was finding another options.

Few days past, I found on CIC website that if I am married and want to go alone than I can apply as a single candidate. As I calculated my points in that way, it's 435. So if I will do that than I have good chance of getting ITA as last cut off was 438.

Before receiving ITA, I can change my submitted express entry profile.

I found two ways to do this. So my question is that in which way I can do it?

• First way is withdrawing my profile and than apply as a single candidate.
  
• Another way is just change my answer from 'YES' to 'NO' to question 'You Want To Take Your Spouse Along With You?'.

And is there there any negative consequences if I will do this. If I will get ITA in this way, Immigration officer can reject my profile?

 

[Raz0r]

I applied for express entry on month of July along with my spouse. And my current CRS score is 421. As I am not getting ITA, I was finding another options.

Few days past, I found on CIC website that if I am married and want to go alone than I can apply as a single candidate. As I calculated my points in that way, it's 435. So if I will do that than I have good chance of getting ITA as last cut off was 438.

Before receiving ITA, I can change my submitted express entry profile.

I found two ways to do this. So my question is that in which way I can do it?

• First way is withdrawing my profile and than apply as a single candidate.
  
• Another way is just change my answer from 'YES' to 'NO' to question 'You Want To Take Your Spouse Along With You?'.

And is there there any negative consequences if I will do this. If I will get ITA in this way, Immigration officer can reject my profile?

I am no expert, but I have heard that sponsoring your Spouse after receiving your PR is a very lengthy process. But then again, am no expert. Just do the research carefully before moving ahead. Good luck.

 

[picklee]

Spousal sponsorship just adds more expense and time to the process. You are better off improving your score by retesting your language or acquiring another year of work experience or landing a valid job offer.

 

[The Wall]

I am no expert, but I have heard that sponsoring your Spouse after receiving your PR is a very lengthy process. But then again, am no expert. Just do the research carefully before moving ahead. Good luck.

Thanks for your kind reply. If once I get there, I can spend few years there and when I settled than I will call my wife.
This is what I am thinking about right now

 

[The Wall]

Spousal sponsorship just adds more expense and time to the process. You are better off improving your score by retesting your language or acquiring another year of work experience or landing a valid job offer.

Thanks for your kind reply.
I already have 5 years of work experience. Got overall 8bands in ielts. The only way to improve my CRS score is to get master degree or a job offer letter from Canada. Obtain a master degree, I have to spend 2 years and I tried very hard to get a job from Canada but I failed. So I thought this would be a better way if it works

 

[picklee]

Thanks for your kind reply.
I already have 5 years of work experience. Got overall 8bands in ielts. The only way to improve my CRS score is to get master degree or a job offer letter from Canada. Obtain a master degree, I have to spend 2 years and I tried very hard to get a job from Canada but I failed. So I thought this would be a better way if it works

I feel like people too often want to jump right to PR without offering something. I lived in Canada for 5 years as a student and then a worker before I applied for an got my PR.

Here is some unsolicited advice: the Canadian immigration system is very generous, but the country’s economic patience is not unlimited. Your score basically reflects how confident the government is that you will make a net positive contribution to the economy. The fact that you have tried and failed to get a job before indicates that you might need to change your strategy.

What’s wrong with coming to Canada for a Master’s degree? You spend two years honing your skill sets, tuition rates are reasonable for most graduate programs, figure out where you want to settle, integrate with the Canadian lifestyle, and improve your chances for employment and successful immigration.

 

[The Wall]

I feel like people too often want to jump right to PR without offering something. I lived in Canada for 5 years as a student and then a worker before I applied for an got my PR.

Here is some unsolicited advice: the Canadian immigration system is very generous, but the country’s economic patience is not unlimited. Your score basically reflects how confident the government is that you will make a net positive contribution to the economy. The fact that you have tried and failed to get a job before indicates that you might need to change your strategy.

What’s wrong with coming to Canada for a Master’s degree? You spend two years honing your skill sets, tuition rates are reasonable for most graduate programs, figure out where you want to settle, integrate with the Canadian lifestyle, and improve your chances for employment and successful immigration.

There is nothing wrong in it. We never know the future. We don't know what will happen after 2-3 years to immigration program.
I got a good score in IELTS and have a good experience. So if I would be eligible to get a pr than my first choice would be that. If i failed in getting this than this I will be happy to choose the path of master degree.
I have select few institute. But I am confused in the program. I done my bachelor's in mechanical engineering but I want to go to computer line. So, I am thinking about a diploma program in that. Is it possible to get student visa in diploma program as I have a study gap of 6 years.

 

[crescent_jam]

I feel like people too often want to jump right to PR without offering something. I lived in Canada for 5 years as a student and then a worker before I applied for an got my PR.

Here is some unsolicited advice: the Canadian immigration system is very generous, but the country’s economic patience is not unlimited. Your score basically reflects how confident the government is that you will make a net positive contribution to the economy. The fact that you have tried and failed to get a job before indicates that you might need to change your strategy.

What’s wrong with coming to Canada for a Master’s degree? You spend two years honing your skill sets, tuition rates are reasonable for most graduate programs, figure out where you want to settle, integrate with the Canadian lifestyle, and improve your chances for employment and successful immigration.

Hi picklee,
I understand your concern about persons wanting to 'jump to PR without offering something', (I'm not a fan of people who exploit systems either) BUT...

...While I'm sure many persons would LOVE the opportunity to pursue a Master's in Canada, unfortunately, not everyone is going to have the opportunity to go to Canada to pursue a Master's. As 'reasonable' as their graduate rates are, Canada's graduate tuition rates are still fairly high in comparison to other countries. We have to be cognizant of the fact that not all paths are available to all persons, and we have to work with the cards that we are dealt (without potentially belittling the deck of cards dealt to and paths chosen by other persons ). For my own situation, I have a good job in my home country, have been earning well, and have MUCH more savings that my average country-man, and it would still be a stretch for me to afford a Master's Degree programme in Canada, especially under the international student rate vs. the local rate that would be afforded to me as a PR.

You stated that "The fact that you have tried and failed to get a job before indicates that you might need to change your strategy"...but, I don't know that The Wall's difficulty in getting a job offer in Canada is an indication of how much he'll be able to contribute to the Canadian economy. (The CRS Score, might be an indication, based on IRCC's reckoning, but not the inability to get a job offer). Canadian employers understandably are going to be wary of someone who doesn't yet have work authorization, and who doesn't have Canadian work experience, but it doesn't mean his current skills and experience wouldn't enable him to contribute positively to the Canadian economy, and that he won't be able to find a job ONCE he has PR and the subsequent work authorization that goes along with it.

I'd like to believe that most persons who apply for PR through Express Entry without pursuing the 'studies-route' ARE trying to offer something to the Canadian economy. (Granted, our own assessments of what we can contribute may not align with IRCC's assessment of what we can contribute, per our CRS Scores, but that doesn't mean our hearts aren't in the right place ). We may not have a Canadian Master's or Canadian work experience, but we do have foreign credentials and work experience that we think can contribute positively. And while I understand that it might ultimately make our paths to setting in Canada a bit harder, it doesn't mean applicants who pursue this route won't be able to contribute something in their own unique ways. In fact, if the Canadian government didn't think people like us could contribute to the economy, they wouldn't have the Federal Skilled Workers programme in the first place - they would require everyone, instead, to come and pursue a Master's first.

I should also note that I actually know a lot of people who use the 'studies' route as a way of circumventing IRCC's assessment of their potential contribution to the Economy, because they actually couldn't get through for PR through Express Entry. So some persons who choose to pursue studies in Canada first rather than the direct-to-PR route of Express Entry, could be just as "guilty" of trying to 'get to Canada without offering something' as someone who applies through Express Entry for PR because they don't want to or can't afford to do a Master's

 

[picklee]

Hi picklee,
I understand your concern about persons wanting to 'jump to PR without offering something', (I'm not a fan of people who exploit systems either) BUT...

...While I'm sure many persons would LOVE the opportunity to pursue a Master's in Canada, unfortunately, not everyone is going to have the opportunity to go to Canada to pursue a Master's. As 'reasonable' as their graduate rates are, Canada's graduate tuition rates are still fairly high in comparison to other countries. We have to be cognizant of the fact that not all paths are available to all persons, and we have to work with the cards that we are dealt (without potentially belittling the deck of cards dealt to and paths chosen by other persons ). For my own situation, I have a good job in my home country, have been earning well, and have MUCH more savings that my average country-man, and it would still be a stretch for me to afford a Master's Degree programme in Canada, especially under the international student rate vs. the local rate that would be afforded to me as a PR.

You stated that "The fact that you have tried and failed to get a job before indicates that you might need to change your strategy"...but, I don't know that The Wall's difficulty in getting a job offer in Canada is an indication of how much he'll be able to contribute to the Canadian economy. (The CRS Score, might be an indication, based on IRCC's reckoning, but not the inability to get a job offer). Canadian employers understandably are going to be wary of someone who doesn't yet have work authorization, and who doesn't have Canadian work experience, but it doesn't mean his current skills and experience wouldn't enable him to contribute positively to the Canadian economy, and that he won't be able to find a job ONCE he has PR and the subsequent work authorization that goes along with it.

I'd like to believe that most persons who apply for PR through Express Entry without pursuing the 'studies-route' ARE trying to offer something to the Canadian economy. (Granted, our own assessments of what we can contribute may not align with IRCC's assessment of what we can contribute, per our CRS Scores, but that doesn't mean our hearts aren't in the right place ). We may not have a Canadian Master's or Canadian work experience, but we do have foreign credentials and work experience that we think can contribute positively. And while I understand that it might ultimately make our paths to setting in Canada a bit harder, it doesn't mean applicants who pursue this route won't be able to contribute something in their own unique ways. In fact, if the Canadian government didn't think people like us could contribute to the economy, they wouldn't have the Federal Skilled Workers programme in the first place - they would require everyone, instead, to come and pursue a Master's first.

I should also note that I actually know a lot of people who use the 'studies' route as a way of circumventing IRCC's assessment of their potential contribution to the Economy, because they actually couldn't get through for PR through Express Entry. So some persons who choose to pursue studies in Canada first rather than the direct-to-PR route of Express Entry, could be just as "guilty" of trying to 'get to Canada without offering something' as someone who applies through Express Entry for PR because they don't want to or can't afford to do a Master's

Fully agree and you made some good points that clarify what I was getting at.

I think anyone should take advantage of the system to their fullest ability. I wasn’t trying to advocate against that. But when you are sitting for months or even years in the 420s without a job offer, I think it’s time to reassess your strategy.

Spousal sponsorship comes with lost of caveats. Living away from your spouse for a year, maintaining two residences during that time, the long application process, the added expense. What I am saying is I don’t think spousal sponsorship would be the most effective path to successful immigration.

You need a job or skill sets that are in demand. I can tell you from my experience, it can be hard to get hired with just a bachelors degree. Even then, you are potentially competing with numerous applicants who have Canadian bachelor degrees and/or Canadian work experience who are citizens, PRs, or already authorized to work in Canada. This is why I suggested that studying in Canada is a good route to getting a foot in the proverbially economic door. And it’s not gaming the system by doing so: IRCC has repeatedly said that Canada wants to retain talent that studies in Canada. That’s why you get up to 30 additional points for having Canadian education.

There is nothing wrong in it. We never know the future. We don't know what will happen after 2-3 years to immigration program.
I got a good score in IELTS and have a good experience. So if I would be eligible to get a pr than my first choice would be that. If i failed in getting this than this I will be happy to choose the path of master degree.
I have select few institute. But I am confused in the program. I done my bachelor's in mechanical engineering but I want to go to computer line. So, I am thinking about a diploma program in that. Is it possible to get student visa in diploma program as I have a study gap of 6 years.

Quite likely you can. Time since your previous education is not weighted heavily unless it becomes apparent that you are misrepresenting your intentions. As long at the program is 8 months or longer you’re good.

 

[crescent_jam]

Fully agree and you made some good points that clarify what I was getting at.

I think anyone should take advantage of the system to their fullest ability. I wasn’t trying to advocate against that. But when you are sitting for months or even years in the 420s without a job offer, I think it’s time to reassess your strategy.

Spousal sponsorship comes with lost of caveats. Living away from your spouse for a year, maintaining two residences during that time, the long application process, the added expense. What I am saying is I don’t think spousal sponsorship would be the most effective path to successful immigration.

You need a job or skill sets that are in demand. I can tell you from my experience, it can be hard to get hired with just a bachelors degree. Even then, you are potentially competing with numerous applicants who have Canadian bachelor degrees and/or Canadian work experience who are citizens, PRs, or already authorized to work in Canada. This is why I suggested that studying in Canada is a good route to getting a foot in the proverbially economic door. And it’s not gaming the system by doing so: IRCC has repeatedly said that Canada wants to retain talent that studies in Canada. That’s why you get up to 30 additional points for having Canadian education.


Quite likely you can. Time since your previous education is not weighted heavily unless it becomes apparent that you are misrepresenting your intentions. As long at the program is 8 months or longer you’re good.

Fully agree with you here. I understand sponsorship might be the only option available to some people, but I always recommend against it when people ask, if it's at all possible to go another route. I don't know how people manage it - they must be very strong to do so - long distance relationships are so hard on their own, much less when you're adding in the stress of settling in a new country at the same time...