Canadian Man/ Mongolian Woman/ living in Sout Korea.. best sponsorship route?

[keiran]

Hello all and thanks for helping,
i'll try to make this short,

we met close to a year ago, we've seen each other every weekend since, (we lived 2 hours apart). Then 5 months ago I moved to a new city and she moved in with me. When my contract ends in February, I was planning to go to Australia (already have the visa) and she would come to Canada after. But we found out she's pregnant.

We've been researching and thinking of the best route, I thought it would be she get's a tourist visa, we marry and apply for sponsorship while here, and delivers the baby here.

But she thinks she wont be able to obtain the visa because she does not have a job, work, or school to return to in Mongolia.
She thinks the best method is for us to get married while in Korea, then it will be easier for her to get her visa and permanent residency.
I'm concerned about actually being approved, because I have no stable job on return, although I have many options, and my family will help, (my dad is specialist in the montreal general hospital) I clearly dont have the finances to show I can support her and the baby for 3 years... although I did save 15 million won while in Korea which is pretty amazing.

Please help.. not sure which route to go

 

[CharlieD10]

If she needs a TRV, it may take some doing to convince them of her intention to return without evidence of sufficient "ties" to SK. Especially if she is pregnant, and the father is a Canadian will you need strong proof.

If you're going to get married eventually, you may want to do so and then apply for sponsorship as a spouse. You already have proof of cohabitation, plus other proof of the development of your relationship, I'm sure, so you are ahead of the game already. Alternately, if she's accompanying you to Oz, you need another 6 months of cohabitation to prove common-law status, which you would qualify for roughly say September.

Here is the catch for you though...you need to show that if she's approved for PR, you will re-settle in Canada when she is approved for PR. That being the case, you may need to wait depending on how long and how unbreakable your contract is in Oz. So, you may want to continue thinking about your approach at this time, because it may be hard to demonstrate proof of intention to re-settle when you are moving to Australia.

 

[cantor2537]

Unless she is a student or has a work permit or has PR or citizenship, delivering in Canada will be very expensive.

 

[keiran]

Thanks for the info

Maybe I was unclear, she is not returning to SK, and she is not coming to Oz, the plan is for her to come to Canada upon my return from Oz, which is end of May. She's already 2 months pregnant.

We will re-settle in Canada, or at least I am immediately, hopefully her to. I went to SK to travel and explore while earning money to start a business back home, which I've done. And I have no contract in Oz, this is just something I wanted to do. I'm not sure how easy it is for her to come along with me, plus I think it would be a drain on our finances. She's already working 6 days a week here.

Wouldn't buying insurance make it cheaper? My father actually is the head of the department at the Montreal General Hospital, but I still havent found out how much it would cost for delivering the baby.

Thanks again for the help,
very appreciated

 

[toby]

Here is the catch for you though...you need to show that if she's approved for PR, you will re-settle in Canada when she is approved for PR. That being the case, you may need to wait depending on how long and how unbreakable your contract is in Oz. So, you may want to continue thinking about your approach at this time, because it may be hard to demonstrate proof of intention to re-settle when you are moving to Australia.

Charlie:

I don't think that plans to return to Canada need be immediate plans. The sponsor can outline a plan that would unfold over a few years, as I did.

 

[CharlieD10]

Thanks for the info

Maybe I was unclear, she is not returning to SK, and she is not coming to Oz, the plan is for her to come to Canada upon my return from Oz, which is end of May. She's already 2 months pregnant.

We will re-settle in Canada, or at least I am immediately, hopefully her to. I went to SK to travel and explore while earning money to start a business back home, which I've done. And I have no contract in Oz, this is just something I wanted to do. I'm not sure how easy it is for her to come along with me, plus I think it would be a drain on our finances. She's already working 6 days a week here.

Wouldn't buying insurance make it cheaper? My father actually is the head of the department at the Montreal General Hospital, but I still havent found out how much it would cost for delivering the baby.

Thanks again for the help,
very appreciated

Ahh, OK. Yes, you can get married and start the sponsorship process immediately then. Yes, you need insurance because while she is a visitor, she won't be eligible for healthcare. Your father can provide a letter of support, outlining his knowledge of your plans and any support (financial or otherwise) he plans to provide, and this will support your own outline of where you will settle and how you will fulfill your sponsor responsibilities.

A TRV is not impossible, but difficult to get without proof that she has clear plans and reasons to return to SK. Sponsorship as a spouse may be faster though, but you have to outline the development of your relationship clearly, you don't want to give them the impression you are marrying solely to be able to give her status in Canada.

 

[keiran]

Re: Canadian Man/ Mongolian Woman/ living in Sout Korea.. best sponsorship route

Thanks Charlie,
I'll talk to my father about the outlines immediately, are they any set guidelines for his and mine?

there's no reason for her to come back to SK, her language course would finish in August if she stayed but she'll likely be leaving SK 3 months after I do.

One question though, if I'm going the route of getting married and spousal sponsorship immediately, will she be able to make it to Canada in May when I return from Oz, just cause I sponsored her? I'm under the impression she would have to wait in Mongolia until the application goes through, which means she would have to give birth in Mongolia.

Thanks again I'm feeling a little relieved

 

[medellinguy]

Re: Canadian Man/ Mongolian Woman/ living in Sout Korea.. best sponsorship route

Thanks Charlie,
I'll talk to my father about the outlines immediately, are they any set guidelines for his and mine?

there's no reason for her to come back to SK, her language course would finish in August if she stayed but she'll likely be leaving SK 3 months after I do.

One question though, if I'm going the route of getting married and spousal sponsorship immediately, will she be able to make it to Canada in May when I return from Oz, just cause I sponsored her? I'm under the impression she would have to wait in Mongolia until the application goes through, which means she would have to give birth in Mongolia.

Thanks again I'm feeling a little relieved

If you send the application to Beijing (VO that deserves Mongolia), it is estimated that it will take about 5 months after the more or less 65 days of waiting from CIC-M for the sponsor approval.

 

[toby]

Re: Canadian Man/ Mongolian Woman/ living in Sout Korea.. best sponsorship route

One question though, if I'm going the route of getting married and spousal sponsorship immediately, will she be able to make it to Canada in May when I return from Oz, just cause I sponsored her? I'm under the impression she would have to wait in Mongolia until the application goes through, which means she would have to give birth in Mongolia.

No, applying for a spousal visa definitely dies NOT guarantee she will be granted a TRV. Charlie herself is waiting offshore for her spousal visa to come through -- and could not get a TRV even though she qualified for a 10-year USA visa!! Canada is exceedingly fussy, sometimes.

If your girlfriend has so few ties to SK, and presumably weak ties to Mongolia too, I hate to be pessimistic but be prepared for her having to wait in Mongolia before the PR is awarded.

Sorry, but at least you don't have to go through the snail's pace center that calls itself the Hong Kong consulate. My wife and I had to wait two years AFTER we were married (we went through HK).

 

[Kazakhstan]

* There's no income requirement when sponsoring wife and children.

The sponsorship requirements are, basically, to be free of previous financial or criminal hiccups with the government or the law or an immigration sponsorship obligation... Tried to post official info links, this forum doesn't allow it. When I (successfully) applied as a sponsor for my wife and child, I had been working in Canada for only a few weeks and my previous-year notice of assessment from Revenue Canada showed $0.00 Canadian income...

* Getting a TRV while there's an immigration application in process is definitely next to impossible.

Two options for you:

1. Apply for a TRV - it won't hurt (much) to try... If successful, she should fly to Canada ASAP before pregnancy is obvious, otherwise there's a risk of her not being let into the country at the border upon arrival. Marry there and send in an in-Canada spouse sponsorship PR application. Consider that no travel medical insurance will cover prenatal care and childbirth in Canada... Also, gather ALL possible proof of your marriage being bona fide you can think of...

2. If TRV application is rejected then the only other option is to apply to the Cdn embassy in Seoul after marrying, or whichever other embassy is responsible for Mongolia... According to CIC website, it takes about 10.5 months in Seoul.

My own story.

I was a Canadian PR living abroad at the time. Got married (love at first sight!). She was approx. 4 months pregnant when she and our eldest son applied for a Canadian TRV and... got it!!!!! She had no job, no property, no ties to her homeland whatsoever. Supported by me, her husband. (Of course, we didn't "advertise" her pregnancy in the TRV application). When we flew to Vancouver, she was 5.5 months pregnant and her belly was already pretty revealing. You have to picture the face of the immigration officer who was checking passports right at the door of the airplane when she saw our documents. She practically shouted, a PR with a pregnant wife and child with TRVs?!?! We were harshly interrogated for a long time right there inside the gate and she was obviously determined to send my family back... Answering the officer's questions, we never indicated our wish to stay in Canada permanently no matter how hard she tried to make us say it, directly or indirectly... Anyways, finally she reluctantly let us go maybe because it was happening a few weeks after the infamous tazering of Robert Dziekanski to death at that airport. The three of us were beyond tired after a long 1.5 day trip literally around half the world, especially my poor wifie... The immigration officer's two younger male subordinates were apparently sympathetic towards us and one of them even said, "I think we should let them in"... All in all, it was a miracle that we got into Canada that way.

Settled in Alberta, got Alberta health coverage for my wife and child from day one (no waiting period) because Alberta provides provincial health care to family of permanent residents, you only have to sign a letter saying that your family intend to stay in Alberta for at least 12 months... It was VERY important as we didn't have much money and with babies the timing can be quite unpredictable.

Wife and child applied for permanent residence and got it within 6 months no problems.

Off topic. I have traveled to about 30 countries all over the world, and Mongolia is one of my favourite places to visit. The best people on earth, talented, hospitable, kind and the culture is... amazing.

 

[keiran]

Kazakhstan,
congrats on your crazy success, doesn't sound like a pleasant process though. I'm concerned cause either way she would be coming over alone, I dont want some psycho grilling my girl without me there. We might just go the safe and slowl way,I dont see anything that bad about her giving birth in Mongolia, where its free. Would you be able to send me the links you mentioned, I'll PM you my email.

 

[keiran]

Ugh I cant, it's Keirandwatters@gmail.com

 

[Kazakhstan]

Kazakhstan,
congrats on your crazy success, doesn't sound like a pleasant process though. I'm concerned cause either way she would be coming over alone, I dont want some psycho grilling my girl without me there. We might just go the safe and slowl way,I dont see anything that bad about her giving birth in Mongolia, where its free. Would you be able to send me the links you mentioned, I'll PM you my email.

Thanks! Well, I guess the majority enter Canada without too many hassles, it's just our situation was suspicious to say the least. To be fair, the troubles we had with Kazakhstan customs on departure were way more serious They almost got us off the flight.

If you are willing to endure the long separation, then an outland PR application is the way. As a Cdn citizen you don't have to reside in Canada when you apply.

 

[Kazakhstan]

Another thought from experience: the first pregnancy and birth as stressful as it is for the mother, when done as a brand new immigrant without a proper support system with the husband working day and night, the stress is magnified 10x times... So, there's a good side to have the child in Mongolia, surrounded by close family. It does make a huge difference.