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Canadian Immigration Process - Luck, Bad luck or Your own mistakes!!!

MASunny

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Many participants on this forum say, 'Luck plays an important part in your Canadian Immigration process.' With all due respect to others, I don't agree that luck plays an integral part in your Canadian immigration except you are part of pre-2008 set of applicants (without SELDEC before 29th March 2012), or hooked up with a visa officer that takes longer than anticipated for file review or likely admin delays.

Lets explain; what is luck and I'd like to keep this discussion within MI1 domain applicants because MI3 are more lucky than MI1 & 2 and likewise MI2 are luckier than MI1?

In my view:

(1) few MI1 applicants (due to load management) got transferred to PVO. Their files were fully ok & reviewed by LVO, hence they got MR immediately. That's luck, otherwise if they remain in LVO they had to wait until their turn comes after many months

(2) Visa officer had reviewed your file, luckily you were the last file (for the year) and BUZZ came, means visa quota over and hence your case is processed. That's luck

(3) By any means your file got re opened and you are 2009 candidate while being processed in late 2012, so after review visa officer shall directly send you MR. That's luck

(4) VO is sending a reply that background checks are in progress, say since 11 mo, this is not purposeful delay by visa officer. There could be a reason, probably shortage of visas. That's bad luck

(5) You sent the additional docs, little late, while visa officer got busy with other files. Your case got in pending for few more weeks until VO gets ready with your doc. That's how you delayed, that's bad luck

If someone feels that luck means - visa officer will pull out your file randomly leaving behind other applicants who had sent their full sets before you and VO gives you 80 marks (for a poorly managed set of docs or complicated educational history or missing marks sheet for spouse education or inadequate funds details creating suspicion) then I feel sorry. Its not luck, this is day dreaming!

Here, ppl should remember that, how VOs had rejected so many intelligent & knowledgeable candidates, just because their experience letter didn't share the JD properly. That's the tough luck!

Hence, the core of the subject is that, 'Prepare you file/set of documents with full care, review any single doc carefully by yourself, seek guidance of seniors if needed, read VO requirements again & again and attach as many as proofs you can for items where points are being awarded, and before your selection-decision is done try to arrange as many as evidences needed by VO.'

Because your luck or bad luck starts moment you sent a file which is incomplete or poorly managed, making life difficult for visa officer to ascertain facts about your case, and major circumstances changed (like previous funds evidences & addition in family) & you didn't update visa office.

Ideally, it is better to prepare file by yourself, without the help of any Consultant (as 1 only out of 1,000 are doing proper job) and its a long process having only frustration and Consultant could add more to it rather than reducing it!
 

RockinCanada

Hero Member
Feb 20, 2013
282
5
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
NVDO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 2009
AOR Received.
Nov 2009
Med's Request
March 2011
Med's Done....
March 2011
Interview........
July 23, 2010
Passport Req..
March 2011
VISA ISSUED...
May 2011
LANDED..........
July 2011
I respect your comments and views......................but I still feel luck plays an important role :D.



Lets explain; what is luck and I'd like to keep this discussion within MI1 domain applicants because MI3 are more lucky than MI1 & 2 and likewise MI2 are luckier than MI1?

In my view:

(1) few MI1 applicants (due to load management) got transferred to PVO. Their files were fully ok & reviewed by LVO, hence they got MR immediately. That's luck, otherwise if they remain in LVO they had to wait until their turn comes after many months

(2) Visa officer had reviewed your file, luckily you were the last file (for the year) and BUZZ came, means visa quota over and hence your case is processed. That's luck

(3) By any means your file got re opened and you are 2009 candidate while being processed in late 2012, so after review visa officer shall directly send you MR. That's luck

(4) VO is sending a reply that background checks are in progress, say since 11 mo, this is not purposeful delay by visa officer. There could be a reason, probably shortage of visas. That's bad luck

(5) You sent the additional docs, little late, while visa officer got busy with other files. Your case got in pending for few more weeks until VO gets ready with your doc. That's how you delayed, that's bad luck

If someone feels that luck means - visa officer will pull out your file randomly leaving behind other applicants who had sent their full sets before you and VO gives you 80 marks (for a poorly managed set of docs or complicated educational history or missing marks sheet for spouse education or inadequate funds details creating suspicion) then I feel sorry. Its not luck, this is day dreaming!

Here, ppl should remember that, how VOs had rejected so many intelligent & knowledgeable candidates, just because their experience letter didn't share the JD properly. That's the tough luck!

Hence, the core of the subject is that, 'Prepare you file/set of documents with full care, review any single doc carefully by yourself, seek guidance of seniors if needed, read VO requirements again & again and attach as many as proofs you can for items where points are being awarded, and before your selection-decision is done try to arrange as many as evidences needed by VO.'

Because your luck or bad luck starts moment you sent a file which is incomplete or poorly managed, making life difficult for visa officer to ascertain facts about your case, and major circumstances changed (like previous funds evidences & addition in family) & you didn't update visa office.

Ideally, it is better to prepare file by yourself, without the help of any Consultant (as 1 only out of 1,000 are doing proper job) and its a long process having only frustration and Consultant could add more to it rather than reducing it!

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explorer101

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To be lucky or be intelligent, which one is better? On a lighter mood I can quote a discussion between God and man.

God : Ask your wish, you want your child to be lucky or intelligent.
Man : Can I can make 2 choice?
God : NO
Man : Ok then lucky.
God : Why ?
Man : I have seen many intelligent people working under lucky people.
 

RockinCanada

Hero Member
Feb 20, 2013
282
5
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
NVDO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 2009
AOR Received.
Nov 2009
Med's Request
March 2011
Med's Done....
March 2011
Interview........
July 23, 2010
Passport Req..
March 2011
VISA ISSUED...
May 2011
LANDED..........
July 2011
LOL... ;D


explorer101 said:
To be lucky or be intelligent, which one is better? On a lighter mood I can quote a discussion between God and man.

God : Ask your wish, you want your child to be lucky or intelligent.
Man : Can I can make 2 choice?
God : NO
Man : Ok then lucky.
God : Why ?
Man : I have seen many intelligent people working under lucky people.
 

cygnet

Star Member
Jan 11, 2012
97
3
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo to Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
May 2011
AOR Received.
August 2011
IELTS Request
Sent with the Application
File Transfer...
July 2012
Med's Request
August 2013
Med's Done....
September 2013
Passport Req..
October 2013
VISA ISSUED...
October 2013
LANDED..........
November 2013
explorer101 said:
To be lucky or be intelligent, which one is better? On a lighter mood I can quote a discussion between God and man.

God : Ask your wish, you want your child to be lucky or intelligent.
Man : Can I can make 2 choice?
God : NO
Man : Ok then lucky.
God : Why ?
Man : I have seen many intelligent people working under lucky people.
This just made my day! LOL! first time I laugh reading a post at this forum!! thanks explorer101.
It's true and hilarious seen lots of intelligent people working for morons but lucky people! :p
 

awai ali

Champion Member
May 30, 2011
1,886
55
Category........
Visa Office......
LVO
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
November 2011
Doc's Request.
March 2013
File Transfer...
April 2012
Med's Request
March 2014
Med's Done....
April 2014
Interview........
February 2014
Passport Req..
PPR1 and PPR2 in June with gap of 10 days .....
VISA ISSUED...
ما شاء الله ,الحمد لله......July 2014......
LANDED..........
September 2014...Living Happily in Vancouver B.C.
I wish to participate here.........for bad luck. One of my friend started the process, done medical before application everything was fine......he started the process and his process took 3 years during these 3 years at the end he got medical while in process he falls in a disease so he rejected on medical basis .......it is his bad luck and many of his fellow still waiting for Medical Request........he got medical soon LUCK and He was rejected on Medical Basis that BAD LUCK...
 
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RockinCanada

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Feb 20, 2013
282
5
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
NVDO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 2009
AOR Received.
Nov 2009
Med's Request
March 2011
Med's Done....
March 2011
Interview........
July 23, 2010
Passport Req..
March 2011
VISA ISSUED...
May 2011
LANDED..........
July 2011
Ho ho ho ho ho............................... :p ;D :D ;) :-j

mdzahid719 said:
Adding to it on the lighter side...

There was this little guy sitting inside a bar, just looking at his drink. After he didn't move for a half-an-hour, this big trouble-making truck driver stepped up right next to him, took the drink from the guy, and just drank it all down. The poor man started crying.The truck driver turned and said: "Come on man, I was just joking. Here, I'll buy you another drink. I just can't stand to see aman crying. "No, it's not that." the man replied, Today is the worst day of my life. First, I overslept and was late for an important meeting. My boss became outraged and then fired me.When I left the building to my car, I found out that it was stolen. The police said they could do nothing. I then got a cab to return home, and after I paid the cab driver and the cab had gone, I found that I left my whole wallet in the cab. I got home only to find my wife was in bed with the gardener. "The man was really sobbing now, "I left home depressed and came to this bar. And now, just when I was thinking about putting an end to my life, YOU show up and drink my poison ..."
 

mikenz

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Sep 5, 2010
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Let me argue with the statement of luck..

The process of immigration to Canada to me was a combination of:

1. My job being in demand, i.e. have the right NOC at the time (destiny)
2. Prepare everything myself and invest hours of sorting, copying, confirming, checking, re reading (hard work)
3. Show lots of patience (self discipline)
4. Have enough money (ability to stick to a budget for years)
5. Supply necessary documents when requested (time management)
6. Being healthy (lifestyle choice)
7. Believe in yourself (faith)

So, there was not a lot of luck involved..
 

RockinCanada

Hero Member
Feb 20, 2013
282
5
Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
NVDO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 2009
AOR Received.
Nov 2009
Med's Request
March 2011
Med's Done....
March 2011
Interview........
July 23, 2010
Passport Req..
March 2011
VISA ISSUED...
May 2011
LANDED..........
July 2011
My Friend, you journey started with luck :D. "Right NOC at the time," otherwise there are people who applied on 27th feb 2008 and got their files back this NOC thing. This is mere luck....some probably waited 6-7 years and then got their files back. So conclusion, it first starts with luck, everything else follows.

mikenz said:
Let me argue with the statement of luck..

The process of immigration to Canada to me was a combination of:

1. My job being in demand, i.e. have the right NOC at the time (destiny)
2. Prepare everything myself and invest hours of sorting, copying, confirming, checking, re reading (hard work)
3. Show lots of patience (self discipline)
4. Have enough money (ability to stick to a budget for years)
5. Supply necessary documents when requested (time management)
6. Being healthy (lifestyle choice)
7. Believe in yourself (faith)

So, there was not a lot of luck involved..
 

namaste

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Jan 5, 2013
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Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
NOC Code......
2281
Job Offer........
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App. Filed.......
17-06-2014
Nomination.....
15-10-2014 (PER)
Med's Request
25-11-2014
Med's Done....
10-12-2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
06-02-2015
VISA ISSUED...
21-02-2015
LANDED..........
16-05-2015
I want to add my two cents to this interesting dialogue, not from canadian immigration but from US immigration point of view. US has a diversity visa lottery system (I would assume that most are familiar with it here!). SO, if one wins the dv lottery (which I don't have to argue that is based merely on one's luck), one can become a US permanent resident in less than a year!

One the other hand, a hard-working and skilled individual who is sponsored for the green card has to wait for years and years to finally get it!

So, one more vote for luck!
 

RockinCanada

Hero Member
Feb 20, 2013
282
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Ontario
Category........
Visa Office......
NVDO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 2009
AOR Received.
Nov 2009
Med's Request
March 2011
Med's Done....
March 2011
Interview........
July 23, 2010
Passport Req..
March 2011
VISA ISSUED...
May 2011
LANDED..........
July 2011
Good one....

namaste said:
I want to add my two cents to this interesting dialogue, not from canadian immigration but from US immigration point of view. US has a diversity visa lottery system (I would assume that most are familiar with it here!). SO, if one wins the dv lottery (which I don't have to argue that is based merely on one's luck), one can become a US permanent resident in less than a year!

One the other hand, a hard-working and skilled individual who is sponsored for the green card has to wait for years and years to finally get it!

So, one more vote for luck!
 

explorer101

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@MASunny - I apoligise, looks like we hacked you thread.
@ other members- thanks for your contribution. I learnt the lesson, never drink from others glass, you never know..... ?? ;D
 

awai ali

Champion Member
May 30, 2011
1,886
55
Category........
Visa Office......
LVO
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
November 2011
Doc's Request.
March 2013
File Transfer...
April 2012
Med's Request
March 2014
Med's Done....
April 2014
Interview........
February 2014
Passport Req..
PPR1 and PPR2 in June with gap of 10 days .....
VISA ISSUED...
ما شاء الله ,الحمد لله......July 2014......
LANDED..........
September 2014...Living Happily in Vancouver B.C.
I personally know a person who was just shope keeper and go to US through lottery system now he is millionaire in our area............so Luck
 
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satwant08

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Jun 25, 2010
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Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 1, 2010
Doc's Request.
June 12, 2010
AOR Received.
September 9, 2010
IELTS Request
IELTS Done
Med's Request
Jan 25, 2013
Med's Done....
Feb 5, 2013, RPRF encashed March 6, 2013
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Jan 25, 2013
VISA ISSUED...
March 14, 2013
LANDED..........
July 13, 2013 at Pearson Airport
I also have a story here.... One of my friends applied for canadaian visa before feb 2008, he did all the hard work and submitted his application...after few weeks he got his application back from VO New Delhi stating that he forgot to do signature on one of the docs and so he need to sign it and send it back to VO...and after a few days he received the letter with all the original docs back stating that since the rules have changed post Feb 2008 his application is not approved...