Can Overtime counted in CEC application? Please Help

[sukhdeepdhalla]

Hi,

I got my Post Graduate work permit on 3 sep 2011. But I was working from April 2011 as a part time employee. As per rule only post graduate hours are going to be counted. So from 3 september 2011 to 31 Dec 2011 I was a part time employee. but sometimes I got overtime more sometimes less. But with all up and downs I got 723 paid hours from 3 september to 31 december 2011. Then in January i become full time employee... I sometimes i worked as over time as well. So, according to this If i completed 75 until 3 september 2012 i will get 1275.. So total will be 723+1275=1998.

In this way I completed 1 year as well mix of full time and part time. and hours as well. So please please please tell me whether I can apply in september or not?

 

[ukie]

I am a nurse, I am exactly same situation as you.
I hired my 1st job in June 15 2011, second job in JUly 25th 2011, I made 2300 hours until now, some weeks I worked 52hours
some less than 37.5 hours.

the point is as long as you worked over 1950 hours, longer than 52 weeks, you can apply it.

I thought I must work at least 37.5 hours per weeek, so I worked like a DOG for a long time.

But it was not necessary.

 

[sukhdeepdhalla]

Hi Ukie!

Thanks for your reply! Did you already applied for PR? Do we need to Hire any lawyer? can you please let me little about it. I am applying under NOC 2282.

 

[sukhdeepdhalla]

so u mean over time can also be counted ?

 

[draxz1289]

Hey,

I used to work in a retail store so I got random hours some time 3-4 days a week with 7 hour shifts and some times 5 days with 9 hour shifts. It doesnt matter if you work over or under all long as you are able to complete the required 37.5 hours a week for a year it can be in a full time or a part time position like me, but it took me obviously a bit more then 1 year.

 

[sukhdeepdhalla]

Hi draxz1289,

Thats what I mean some weeks I worked under 37.5 hours and some weeks over. so can I count all together in a year 1950 hour and 52 weeks.. or it should be every week 37.5?

 

[draxz1289]

It doesn't matter if you work 37.5 hours a week or less or more as long as you are able to complete 37.5 *52 weeks

from the CIC website

"Does part-time work experience count toward meeting the requirements for work experience?

Yes, but it will take you longer to accumulate the amount of hours necessary to apply than an applicant who has worked full-time."


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/faq/immigrate/cec/index.asp

 

[draxz1289]

"Experience: Work experience as a Graduate

You must have obtained the equivalent of 12 months of full-time or full-time equivalent (37.5 hours a week) Canadian skilled work experience at NOC Skill Type 0, or Skill Levels A or B. This work experience must have been acquired in Canada (within the 24 months preceding the date the application is made*).

You do not have to be in employed at the time of the application.

Note: The experience must be acquired after you have completed the required study and obtained a Canadian credential (work performed under the Off-Campus Work Permit Program or co-op work terms do not count)."

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5609ETOC.asp

 

[jes_ON]

Hi,

I got my Post Graduate work permit on 3 sep 2011. But I was working from April 2011 as a part time employee. As per rule only post graduate hours are going to be counted. So from 3 september 2011 to 31 Dec 2011 I was a part time employee. but sometimes I got overtime more sometimes less. But with all up and downs I got 723 paid hours from 3 september to 31 december 2011. Then in January i become full time employee... I sometimes i worked as over time as well. So, according to this If i completed 75 until 3 september 2012 i will get 1275.. So total will be 723+1275=1998.

In this way I completed 1 year as well mix of full time and part time. and hours as well. So please please please tell me whether I can apply in september or not?

"If i completed 75 until 3 september 2012 i will get 1275."
I have no idea what this means... 75 what? 75 hours bi-weekly?

I disagree with the LOGIC previous posts - overtime cannot be counted - but the outcome will be more or less the same.

You CAN of course mix full-time and part-time. 723 hours / 37.5 hours per week = equivalent of 19 weeks of full-time employment. The problem is, you completed those hours in 18 weeks, which means you should have a maximum of 675 hours. A VO may overlook that, or they could ask for paystubs to figure out how many weeks you were working full-time - Any week in which you work 37.5 hours or more is simply 1 week of full-time - and how many part-time hours you had, which could change the exact date on which you qualify.

So you need to work at least 34 weeks (maybe more) in your full-time position to meet the 1 year requirement.

If you became a full-time employee in January, you have to count a full-time week as 1 week - overtime as a full-time employee does NOT "speed up" your application. Others have made that mistake and had their applications rejected. If you apply in September you will likely be rejected. Sometimes individual VOs have their own interpretation, but with everything going to CPP-O now, you should be aware, they've had the strictest interpretation (e.g. looking for a reason to reject your application).

Don't know WHEN in January you started, but for example, if you started full-time on January 1, by my count you would have 34 weeks of full-time employment on September 1.

So, you would qualify sometime in September. Whatever you do, do NOT apply 1 or 2 weeks too early. The 1 year requirement is a MINIMUM, if you do not meet the minimum, your application will be rejected. Do the math and count weeks yourself, and round DOWN. You would be wise to give yourself a couple of weeks extra for leeway.

 

[sukhdeepdhalla]

Hi jes_ON

thank you so much.. But kindly help me..
Hers my details..

Hello,
Post graduate work permit received – 2nd october
SR.NO WEEk Status Pay start date Pay end Date Cheque date Normal hours OT hours
1 2 PT 04 Sep, 2011 17 Sep, 2011 30 Sep, 2011 68.50 11.50
2 2 PT 18 Sep, 2011 01 Oct, 2011 14 Oct, 2011 84.50 20.00
3 1 PT 02 Oct, 2011 15 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 23.00 07.50
4 2 PT 16 Oct, 2011 29 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 75 8
5 2 PT 30 Oct, 2011 12 Nov, 2011 10 Nov, 2011 75 19
6 2 PT 13 Nov, 2011 26 Nov, 2011 09 Dec, 2011 73.80 4
7 2 PT 27 Nov, 2011 10 Dec, 2011 23 Dec, 2011 57.80
8 2 PT 11 Dec, 2011 24 Dec, 2011 06 Jan, 2012 62.82
9 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 06 Jan, 2012 37.5
10 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 22.77

TOTAL 579.5


52
11 2 FT 08 Jan, 2012 21 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 75
12 2 FT 22 Jan, 2012 04 Feb, 2012 03 Feb, 2012 75
13 2 FT 05 Feb, 2012 18 Feb, 2012 17 Feb, 2012 75
14 2 FT 19 Feb, 2012 03 Mar, 2012 02 Mar, 2012 75
15 2 FT 04 Mar, 2012 17 Mar, 2012 16 Mar, 2012 75
16 2 FT 18 Mar, 2012 31 Mar, 2012 30 Mar, 2012 75
17 2 FT 01 Apr, 2012 14 Apr, 2012 13 Apr, 2012 75
18 2 FT 15 Apr, 2012 28 Apr, 2012 27 Apr, 2012 75
19 2 FT 29 Apr, 2012 12 May, 2012 11 May, 2012 75 7.5
20 2 FT 13 May, 2012 26 May, 2012 25 May, 2012 75 8
21 2 FT 27 May, 2012 09 Jun, 2012 08 Jun, 2012 75 20.5
22 2 FT 10 Jun, 2012 23 Jun, 2012 22 Jun, 2012 75
23 2 FT 24 Jun, 2012 07 Jul, 2012 06 Jul, 2012 75
24 2 FT 08 Jul, 2012 21 Jul, 2012 20 Jul, 2012 75
25 2 FT 22 Jul, 2012 2 Aug, 2012 3 Aug, 2012 75
26 2 FT 3 Aug, 2012 16 Aug, 2012 17 Aug, 2012 75
27 2 FT 17 Aug, 2012 30 Aug, 2012 31 Aug, 2012 75
28 2 FT 1 Sep, 2012 12 Sep, 2012 14 Sep,2012 75
TOTAL 53,weeks 1929 36

Total normal hours = 579 * 1350 = 1929


If I could include overtime then I can be fine?
Am I able to apply on 15 october or not?

 

[draxz1289]

what I ment was if you work over time or not it doesnt matter as long as u get the required hour

 

[Calgary_Man]

From personal experience, you should work extra 1 month over the required 1 yr time period and do not rush your application. One mistake and your file will be rejected after 4 months of overview.

 

[seton]

I agree with jess_ON and Calgary_Man. I think once you apply with the cumulative FTE weeks.

Your table is hard to follow (it looks like a bi-weekly pay schedule), but from your Part Time hours (September to December), you had 579.5 minus your last two pay period when you were also full-time (37.5 + 22.77). Note that if I were you, I would count from the date you received your PGWP (October 2nd). As such, you work 334.73 part time hours from October 2 to December 31. That's the equivalent of roughly 8 full-time weeks.

As such, you will need at least 44 more full time weeks for this year to qualify. That would make you eligible in the first week or so in November. As your calculations are messy, I would apply with a little "extra" experience in-case the VO has a different interpretation as Calgary_Man said.

 

[ujbaby]

Hi jes_ON

thank you so much.. But kindly help me..
Hers my details..

Hello,
Post graduate work permit received – 2nd october
SR.NO WEEk Status Pay start date Pay end Date Cheque date Normal hours OT hours
1 2 PT 04 Sep, 2011 17 Sep, 2011 30 Sep, 2011 68.50 11.50
2 2 PT 18 Sep, 2011 01 Oct, 2011 14 Oct, 2011 84.50 20.00
3 1 PT 02 Oct, 2011 15 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 23.00 07.50
4 2 PT 16 Oct, 2011 29 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 75 8
5 2 PT 30 Oct, 2011 12 Nov, 2011 10 Nov, 2011 75 19
6 2 PT 13 Nov, 2011 26 Nov, 2011 09 Dec, 2011 73.80 4
7 2 PT 27 Nov, 2011 10 Dec, 2011 23 Dec, 2011 57.80
8 2 PT 11 Dec, 2011 24 Dec, 2011 06 Jan, 2012 62.82
9 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 06 Jan, 2012 37.5
10 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 22.77

TOTAL 579.5


52
11 2 FT 08 Jan, 2012 21 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 75
12 2 FT 22 Jan, 2012 04 Feb, 2012 03 Feb, 2012 75
13 2 FT 05 Feb, 2012 18 Feb, 2012 17 Feb, 2012 75
14 2 FT 19 Feb, 2012 03 Mar, 2012 02 Mar, 2012 75
15 2 FT 04 Mar, 2012 17 Mar, 2012 16 Mar, 2012 75
16 2 FT 18 Mar, 2012 31 Mar, 2012 30 Mar, 2012 75
17 2 FT 01 Apr, 2012 14 Apr, 2012 13 Apr, 2012 75
18 2 FT 15 Apr, 2012 28 Apr, 2012 27 Apr, 2012 75
19 2 FT 29 Apr, 2012 12 May, 2012 11 May, 2012 75 7.5
20 2 FT 13 May, 2012 26 May, 2012 25 May, 2012 75 8
21 2 FT 27 May, 2012 09 Jun, 2012 08 Jun, 2012 75 20.5
22 2 FT 10 Jun, 2012 23 Jun, 2012 22 Jun, 2012 75
23 2 FT 24 Jun, 2012 07 Jul, 2012 06 Jul, 2012 75
24 2 FT 08 Jul, 2012 21 Jul, 2012 20 Jul, 2012 75
25 2 FT 22 Jul, 2012 2 Aug, 2012 3 Aug, 2012 75
26 2 FT 3 Aug, 2012 16 Aug, 2012 17 Aug, 2012 75
27 2 FT 17 Aug, 2012 30 Aug, 2012 31 Aug, 2012 75
28 2 FT 1 Sep, 2012 12 Sep, 2012 14 Sep,2012 75
TOTAL 53,weeks 1929 36

Total normal hours = 579 * 1350 = 1929


If I could include overtime then I can be fine?
Am I able to apply on 15 october or not?

as long as u met the required hours after one year but not before one year. so if u completed the hours before one year of experience, ur not qualified. u must wait for at least one year and not before hand. hours completed before the scheduled period will not counted. if u started working before pgwp, it will not be counted. only pgwp will be counted. so starting from october 2011 till october 2012, u will be eligible but not before then. hope this helps.

 

[sukhdeepdhalla]

Hello,
Post graduate work permit received – 2nd SEpber. These are details of my pay stubs…
SR.NO WEEk Status Pay start date Pay end Date Cheque date Normal hours OT hours
1 2 PT 04 Sep, 2011 17 Sep, 2011 30 Sep, 2011 68.50 11.50
2 2 PT 18 Sep, 2011 01 Oct, 2011 14 Oct, 2011 84.50 20.00
3 1 PT 02 Oct, 2011 15 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 23.00 07.50
4 2 PT 16 Oct, 2011 29 Oct, 2011 28 Oct, 2011 75 8
5 2 PT 30 Oct, 2011 12 Nov, 2011 10 Nov, 2011 75 19
6 2 PT 13 Nov, 2011 26 Nov, 2011 09 Dec, 2011 73.80 4
7 2 PT 27 Nov, 2011 10 Dec, 2011 23 Dec, 2011 57.80
8 2 PT 11 Dec, 2011 24 Dec, 2011 06 Jan, 2012 62.82
9 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 06 Jan, 2012 37.5
10 1 PT 25 Dec, 2011 07 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 22.77

TOTAL 579.5


52
11 2 FT 08 Jan, 2012 21 Jan, 2012 20 Jan, 2012 75
12 2 FT 22 Jan, 2012 04 Feb, 2012 03 Feb, 2012 75
13 2 FT 05 Feb, 2012 18 Feb, 2012 17 Feb, 2012 75
14 2 FT 19 Feb, 2012 03 Mar, 2012 02 Mar, 2012 75
15 2 FT 04 Mar, 2012 17 Mar, 2012 16 Mar, 2012 75
16 2 FT 18 Mar, 2012 31 Mar, 2012 30 Mar, 2012 75
17 2 FT 01 Apr, 2012 14 Apr, 2012 13 Apr, 2012 75
18 2 FT 15 Apr, 2012 28 Apr, 2012 27 Apr, 2012 75
19 2 FT 29 Apr, 2012 12 May, 2012 11 May, 2012 75 7.5
20 2 FT 13 May, 2012 26 May, 2012 25 May, 2012 75 8
21 2 FT 27 May, 2012 09 Jun, 2012 08 Jun, 2012 75 20.5
22 2 FT 10 Jun, 2012 23 Jun, 2012 22 Jun, 2012 75
23 2 FT 24 Jun, 2012 07 Jul, 2012 06 Jul, 2012 75
24 2 FT 08 Jul, 2012 21 Jul, 2012 20 Jul, 2012 75
25 2 FT 22 Jul, 2012 2 Aug, 2012 3 Aug, 2012 75
26 2 FT 3 Aug, 2012 16 Aug, 2012 17 Aug, 2012 75
27 2 FT 17 Aug, 2012 30 Aug, 2012 31 Aug, 2012 75
28 2 FT 1 Sep, 2012 12 Sep, 2012 14 Sep,2012 75
TOTAL 53,weeks 1929 36

Total normal hours = 579 * 1350 = 1929

If I could include overtime then I can be fine?

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