Can a Manitoba PNP PR move and settle in another province

[Polarblast]

Hi there,

I was an international student studying in Manitoba and then got a permanent job and worked full-time in Manitoba for 1.5 yrs after graduated. I recently recieved my PR through MPNP International Student Stream. My total years of staying in Manitoba was more than 6 years.

However, my boyfriend moved to Edmonton and I am considering also moving to Edmonton. My question is: if I move to Edmonton now (stayed in Manitoba less than 3 months after I became a landed PR), will it affect my future PR renewing? Or affect my application to become a citizen?

Or do I have to stay in Manitoba for a certain length of time before I can move to another province? There is no such clear obligation for International Student Stream (only that you intend to live and work in Manitoba, but intention can change right?)

Greatly appreciated if you could answer my question or any input!
Thank you!

 

[Leon]

There is no clear obligation to live in MB for any minimum amount of time but in case anybody ever asks you, you want to be able to clearly state that at the time you landed, you did intend to live in MB. So yeah, intentions can change but the question is how fast. It is possible that nobody will ever ask you and if you move now, at least 3 months is better than if it was a week.

 

[Polarblast]

There is no clear obligation to live in MB for any minimum amount of time but in case anybody ever asks you, you want to be able to clearly state that at the time you landed, you did intend to live in MB. So yeah, intentions can change but the question is how fast. It is possible that nobody will ever ask you and if you move now, at least 3 months is better than if it was a week.

Leon! Thank you so much for the input! Have you come across anyone who moved to another province shortly after they recieved their (MPNP) PR, and got problems while renewing their PR in another province or trouble becoming a canaian citizen?

Thanks!!

 

[Leon]

No, I haven't heard of anyone who had a problem because they moved. Immigration mostly has issues with people who are landing outside their PNP province and they don't think are going to go live there but I did hear of one person who had problems who had already landed in Manitoba. He was sponsored by his brother and his brother had moved out of the province either before or shortly after he landed. Manitoba PNP found out and told him that they were going to withdraw his nomination because his sponsor is no longer in the province. However, I have no idea if it is even possible to withdraw a nomination once the person already got their PR. Surely he would be able to appeal that. I don't know how it went because they did not come back.

 

[Polarblast]

No, I haven't heard of anyone who had a problem because they moved. Immigration mostly has issues with people who are landing outside their PNP province and they don't think are going to go live there but I did hear of one person who had problems who had already landed in Manitoba. He was sponsored by his brother and his brother had moved out of the province either before or shortly after he landed. Manitoba PNP found out and told him that they were going to withdraw his nomination because his sponsor is no longer in the province. However, I have no idea if it is even possible to withdraw a nomination once the person already got their PR. Surely he would be able to appeal that. I don't know how it went because they did not come back.

It makes sense that PNP would want to withdraw that person's nomination. Because the MPNP relative sponsor stream mainly focuses on you have someone whos already established in Manitoba and is willing to help you settle in Manitoba. Once that sponsor is gone as soon as you landed, who's going to help him to adapt... hmmm... in his case, I think it makes sense. In my case (International student stream), at the time of landing, my intention did not change but it is due to my beloved's moving to another province, I had to move... Now it is 3months later since I landed... so... Let's hope I'm fine! But Hey Leon! Thanks SO MUCH for your information and time!!!! I really appreciate it! I love how information got shared in this forum

 

[Polarblast]

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[Leon]

It is a touchy issue but like you said, you did not sign a binding agreement to live in Manitoba for an X number of years after your landing and like you said, intentions can change. If you ever have a problem because of this, you can say that when you landed, you were fully intending to stay in Manitoba forever and ever but then your long term boyfriend got a job offer and moved and your intentions therefore changed and you followed him. You did not land in Manitoba already planning to leave 3 months later. So far, they have not been going after people who move but if they ever do, that is what you can say and I think they will have a big problem trying to prove differently. You would have a good case anyway.

Of course the PNP's are sick and tired of processing applications for people who can't wait to leave them but until they change the rules and make binding agreements or temporary PR cards, I don't see that they can do very much about it.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms states that citizens and PR's of Canada have the right to live and work in any province, see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-15.html

 

[Polarblast]

It is a touchy issue but like you said, you did not sign a binding agreement to live in Manitoba for an X number of years after your landing and like you said, intentions can change. If you ever have a problem because of this, you can say that when you landed, you were fully intending to stay in Manitoba forever and ever but then your long term boyfriend got a job offer and moved and your intentions therefore changed and you followed him. You did not land in Manitoba already planning to leave 3 months later. So far, they have not been going after people who move but if they ever do, that is what you can say and I think they will have a big problem trying to prove differently. You would have a good case anyway.

Of course the PNP's are sick and tired of processing applications for people who can't wait to leave them but until they change the rules and make binding agreements or temporary PR cards, I don't see that they can do very much about...

Thank you, Leon! I've been asking others including my lawyer friends regarding this issue and to this point, it is clear that me moving away won't be causing further issues. Let's draw a period to this post, and I'd like to thank you for all your information and being so patient with me Take care!

 

[dkkirill]

Hello! I have a question concerning MPNP, if I am sponsored to immigrate to Manitoba and i succeed, i do live in Manitoba for a while and if I am offered a job in another province or i simply have other reasons to move to another province, so the same rule applies? i mean it doesn't affect my PR? it continues as it is, right?
i'm asking because it's life and good job opportunities might appear in different provinces and you never know what you may be offered... so it's good to know it in advance

thank you!

 

[Leon]

Hello! I have a question concerning MPNP, if I am sponsored to immigrate to Manitoba and i succeed, i do live in Manitoba for a while and if I am offered a job in another province or i simply have other reasons to move to another province, so the same rule applies? i mean it doesn't affect my PR? it continues as it is, right?
i'm asking because it's life and good job opportunities might appear in different provinces and you never know what you may be offered... so it's good to know it in advance

thank you!

Right, currently, I have not heard of immigration going after anyone who applied under PNP and already landed but moved afterwards.

They *are* going after people who applied under PNP but land outside their PNP province and they suspect are not planning on going there at all and they have been doing that for a few years.

If they decide in the future that they will also go after people who landed and left, they will surely start with the people who leave right away and who is apparent never had any plans to live there.

If you had started out in your PNP province and stayed there for a while, it would be very hard for them to go after you because you signed that you intend to settle in the province and as long as this was true when you applied and when you landed, there is nothing they can say to you.

However, this does not stop the PNP or immigration officers from telling people that they must stay in their PNP province for 2 years, or 3 years or until they get citizenship or even forever. However, there is no legal basis for such claims.

 

[kool1]

You are free to move between provinces. There is no law that restricts your movement. That is the reason Immigration folks are not going after those people who moved out of the province.

You may argue that you signed the "Intent to live" so you must satisfactorily demonstrate your intention to live in the province that chose you. Actually, your intention to live in the province was when you applied for your nomination, and when you applied for PR. You are satisfactorily demonstrating your intention when you land on the province that nominated you. Hence it is important to note that you should land on the province who nominated you, and you must satisfy Immigration Officer to prove your intention.

Once you landed and got your PR status you will be covered by Canadian mobility rights. This right will let you move between provinces as long as you are not getting any social services from the province.

 

[pbrar17]

I am MPNP PR and I am planning to move. I have been in Winnipeg for 7 months and not able to find a job. From other discussions it looks like moving wont be a problem from "LOSING PR" point of view

However, few Queries if I decide to move:

1) Will I be able to Sponsor my relatives under other programs, if not under MPNP? I want to call my nephew, will that still be possible?
2) Will I get all the benifits, medical, employment and so on?
3) Is there any hidden trap there, that anyone is aware of, in terms of facilities that I am getting here in Manitoba as opposed to any province I move to, condidering I am MPNP PR?

Please HELP

 

[Leon]

I am MPNP PR and I am planning to move. I have been in Winnipeg for 7 months and not able to find a job. From other discussions it looks like moving wont be a problem from "LOSING PR" point of view

However, few Queries if I decide to move:

1) Will I be able to Sponsor my relatives under other programs, if not under MPNP? I want to call my nephew, will that still be possible?
2) Will I get all the benifits, medical, employment and so on?
3) Is there any hidden trap there, that anyone is aware of, in terms of facilities that I am getting here in Manitoba as opposed to any province I move to, condidering I am MPNP PR?

Please HELP

1) You have very limited options of sponsoring relatives other than the MPNP. Saskatchewan also has a family thing in their PNP but they require a skilled job offer as well and so if you have a skilled job offer, you can usually find another way to immigrate anyway and family sponsorship is not really needed. There is a way to sponsor parents, grandparents, your spouse and dependent children under the federal system. You may sponsor a nephew if he is under 18 and an orphan. You may sponsor one other relative under the federal system if you are alone in Canada without any close family members, nor do you have close family members at home that you would qualify to sponsor. That means that if you have a spouse and dependent children or living parents, you would not qualify to sponsor your nephew.

2) Yes, as you move, you notify MB health that you are moving and you register for health care in your new province. MB health will cover you while you wait to get your new health card. You would exchange your MB drivers license for your new province drivers license. Employment is never guaranteed but your SIN and PR are valid in any province and you have the same right to apply for jobs as everybody else. I am not sure what other benefits you are getting in Manitoba.

3) Not as far as I know.

One thing to note is that if you were sponsored to MB yourself, your sponsor will be unable to sponsor other people if you leave. This may cause bad feelings between you and your sponsor but if you can't find work in MB, you have to worry about your existence first and bad feelings later.

 

[Sheps]

I am MPNP PR and I am planning to move. I have been in Winnipeg for 7 months and not able to find a job. From other discussions it looks like moving wont be a problem from "LOSING PR" point of view

However, few Queries if I decide to move:

1) Will I be able to Sponsor my relatives under other programs, if not under MPNP? I want to call my nephew, will that still be possible?
2) Will I get all the benifits, medical, employment and so on?
3) Is there any hidden trap there, that anyone is aware of, in terms of facilities that I am getting here in Manitoba as opposed to any province I move to, condidering I am MPNP PR?

Please HELP

My understanding is you are not yet a MPNP (your wife is applying). I would STRONGLY encourage you to advise your sponsor (if you have one) that you are not going to be staying in Manitoba. They may want to withdraw their sponsorship of your wife because of it.

Technically, applying to the MPNP program with intentions of moving immediately after you are nominated IS misrepresentation and may be grounds for your PR to be revoked, an exclusion order be issued against you and you deported from Canada. To be a provincial nominee, you have to have an intention to stay in Manitoba after you are nominated, since you clearly do not want to stay in Manitoba after you are Nominated, you will be committing misrepresentation.

You already have a EE PR application in process, let that application go through first as your wife should have been included on your EE PR application.

Just a heads up as well, if you are hoping to look for work elsewhere, you are probably going to be running into the same problem. 8 months ago I was looking for work in Ontario and I was not successful (no big deal, the only reason I was looking as my wife wanted to move, we just stayed put instead). 7 months is not a long time and to be quite honest (and this is going to sound harsh) you may be overshooting your experience/education when applying and that is why you are not getting anywhere.

If this is your first experience in Canada looking for a job in your field (or your first job in your field ever), you should be looking for a more entry-level job to get a solid Canadian reference. If it is your first job in your field and you are applying for a mid-level job, almost no-one will respond as you don't have the experience (even if you have a Masters or Phd). It sucks, the entry level jobs I rolled were the worst 3 years of my life, but once you get over that, it gets a lot better.

Also, network, network, network. Best way to get into a job is through the people you know.

 

[Leon]

My understanding is you are not yet a MPNP (your wife is applying). I would STRONGLY encourage you to advise your sponsor (if you have one) that you are not going to be staying in Manitoba. They may want to withdraw their sponsorship of your wife because of it.

Good catch. In this post, he is a MPNP PR and in his other post, he is applying for PR under federal with his wife applying under PNP.

Applying under any PNP without the intention of staying in the province at the time of application and landing is definitely misrepresentation.