C-51 influence on C-24 ?

[boltz]

What is the C-24 dependency on C-51? (If there is any)

I thought both are independent with no influence on one another.

Thx.

 

[jhjeppe]

Aaaah... So, someone else is seeing the connection? These two bills were designed "separately" but not so separately... Why would they be released so shortly after each other? let me break it down for you...

Bill C24/51 is a clever combination to rid Canada of all immigrants and foreigners...

C24
- States that a citizen can be stripped of their citizenship up to five generations... That means that your grand parent's grandparents can lose their citizenship for alleged "terrorism"

C51
- This bill drastically expands the definition of "terrorism". Bill C51 defines terror to include any action that interferes with " the economic or financial stability of Canada". Based on this definition, a peaceful logging blockade by a first Nation, a large strike, a separatist parade that fails to get a proper permit, or environmentalists obstructing a pipeline route could all be seen as terrorists.
Bill C51 allows the government to label a broad range of activities as potential security threats. The government claims it will use good judgement when deciding which individuals and groups constitute true threats, but anyone who raises concerns about the government's political or economic agenda, or environmental policies could be deemed a national security threat.

So, you see where it gets eerie huh?

First they will be targeting every immigrant with a bullshit charge of "terrorism"
Then they will proceed to strip them of their canadian citizenship and exile them to the third world...

I can hardly wait... It's gonna be so much fun!

 

[dpenabill]

What is the C-24 dependency on C-51? (If there is any)

I thought both are independent with no influence on one another.

Thx.

I know of no direct dependency or link.

I trust the scores of insiders and observers from various sides of the political spectrum who strongly favour certain core parts of C-51 but I side with the NDP in its opposition to it as a whole given its flaws relative to lack of sufficient oversight, overly broad categorizations which could lead to abuses of discretion, and the scope of its impact on information-sharing. It is troubling to me that the Conservatives did not allow even the Privacy Commissioner an opportunity to speak in committee before rushing this to a third reading vote.

Relative to the changes being implemented in citizenship due to Bill C-24 (at this point it is the Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act or the SCCA , as it is no longer a Bill but is adopted law), these too along with changes made in both the IRPA and its related regulations, involve dramatic expansion of information sharing. It is difficult to clearly assess the practical scope and actual impact these changes will have, and particularly difficult to forecast the cumulative effect of these provisions relative to the integrated data banks the government is already maintaining.

It is not as if there is a realistic threat of broad sweeping abuse of these tools and powers. But information itself is power, and without adequate oversight and clear restrictions on exercises of discretion, the potential for targeted abuse is elevated. Again, input from at least the Privacy Commissioner before Bill C-51 was passed would have helped to illuminate some aspects of this.

In a more general sense, this government has tended to make a rush in getting things done just before the summer break. This rush of Bill C-51 to a third reading in early May, despite a great deal of concern coming from numerous corners of Canadian society, may indicate that Conservatives are initiating this rush a little early this year. This could merely mean that they are tying things up generally or it could mean they are setting the stage to schedule the election sooner than October 19th (currently scheduled date). If they are in a rush to finish things up, this could mean we will also see the remaining provisions of the SCCA come into force sooner rather than later. That observation, however, involves reading the tea leaves more than a bit.