There’s nothing to save . The sons criminality is irrelevant to the fathers status
PR Renewal & Criminal charges
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I’m a permanent resident sonce 2021 and charged with first dui, but they are giving me conditional discharge with 1 year probation.
My presence in canada for citizenship will be satisfied in 2 weeks, Am I eligible to file citizenship? If yes when and conditional discharge will be a problem for getting citizenship?
My presence in canada for citizenship will be satisfied in 2 weeks, Am I eligible to file citizenship? If yes when and conditional discharge will be a problem for getting citizenship?
I believe you have to wait until you have successfully completed the probation period. That's the `condition' that needs to be met in the conditional discharge, because if you fail to meet that condition, you may be charged.
So after successfully meet the condition there won’t be a problem, like it would be a regular application and won’t have to declare any conviction right?
And under this probation time can i travel back to home country and US for shorter time?
You will need to consult a lawyer with immigration knowledge and bring specific information about your charge and sentence.
My understandong is you can't apply while on parole and days while on parole cannot be counted in your physical presence days. It's possible you can't apply for citizenship even for four years.
Also in any interaction with ircc where they ask, you must disclose all of this. Not doing so can have severe consequences.
I think there is no risk of deportation or removal orders (ie loss of pr status) if no other convictions. But again - check with lawyer.
I do not know if you sponsor your spouse in these circumstances (or when or if other steps required, like having the conviction expunged.)
It's more complex than it seems because it depends both what you were charged with, the way they charge you (summary or indictable offence), the maximum terms under that offence, and the actual sentence.
You should not take as fact any non lawyer's advice, nor take general comments on internet as advice (including my comments above).
I have recently been criminally charged and convicted of DUI with high over 80. There was no accident, no injury/damage, just my car got stuck by the side of road. Only aggravating factor was high reading of alcohol. So there is a criminal record and one year driving suspension plus $2500 fine. I am a PR with no other offence. Lived here (13+ years) since immigrating in 2011 with my family. 9 years old son is a citizen , wife and daughter just applied for citizenship, though we were all eligible many years ago( our fault) . How high are the chances the CBSA will procced with inadmissibility stuff in my case? what are my chances? TIA
Hire a good immigration lawyer now and get them familiar with your case. I don't think anyone here is going to be able to tell you the chances however the DUI makes you inadmissible.
As mentioned, you are now inadmissible to Canada, so it's more than just a possible issue with CBSA. I echo the suggestion to confer with a qualified lawyer, but...it may be moot.
When you apply to renew your PR Card, you will have to disclose that you have this conviction. IRCC could deny the renewal, leading to your status being revoked.
It's unfortunate that you weren't able to plead it down to a lesser charge.
Good luck!
And adding to everything they’ll be put into the penalty box for their car insurance.
Car insurance will literally go thru the roof
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They will receive a letter from their insurer asking if their drivers license has ever been suspended and the reason .
The insurer already knows why it’s been suspended. If they lie , it’ll be extremely detrimental in them getting insurance in the future
In Ontario it’s required by law to disclose this to your insurer asking. Your rate can go as high as $10000/year
The blood alcohol must have been way over the legal limit that it was not plead down
Car insurance will literally go thru the roof
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They will receive a letter from their insurer asking if their drivers license has ever been suspended and the reason .
The insurer already knows why it’s been suspended. If they lie , it’ll be extremely detrimental in them getting insurance in the future
In Ontario it’s required by law to disclose this to your insurer asking. Your rate can go as high as $10000/year
The blood alcohol must have been way over the legal limit that it was not plead down
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I largely agree with the observations posted by @scylla except that there is no rush to hire an immigration lawyer. I agree, in particular, that no one here can say what the chances are that there will be inadmissibility proceedings brought against you, BUT so far as indicated in published decisions, if this is your only brush with the criminal law it appears this alone does not trigger inadmissibility proceedings.
I will quibble a little with @Ponga's statement "you are now inadmissible to Canada." You meet the definition of inadmissible. Like a PR who has failed to comply with the Residency Obligation meets the definition of inadmissible. That means that a 44(1) Report for inadmissibility may be prepared against you pursuant to which you could be adjudicated to be inadmissible. Which leads back to the observation that we cannot quantify the risk that IRCC or CBSA will in fact proceed with preparing an inadmissibility report.
There is a big difference, however, between meeting the definition of inadmissible for a breach of the RO versus serious criminality (a driving while impaired conviction meets the definition of inadmissible for serious criminality). A PR in breach of the RO can stay put in Canada long enough to meet the RO and that cures the breach. In contrast, driving while impaired is one of those offences for which there is no automatic rehabilitation, so technically you will continue to meet the definition of inadmissible even if nothing happens for more than five years.
While I agree with @Ponga that it's "unfortunate that you weren't able to plead it down to a lesser charge" (assuming lesson learned and no more imbibing and driving at all, or engaging in any other criminal conduct), I do not agree with this:
The PR card application does not ask for information about criminal charges.
IRCC does not "deny" PR card applications made by PRs, even PRs who could face proceedings based on a 44(1) Report for inadmissibility.
The net outcome (loss of PR status and deportation) could be much the same but there are important differences in the procedure.
Even though the PR does not need to disclose criminal charges or convictions when applying for a new PR card, there is a significant probably that a criminal conviction will be flagged in a routine GCMS check (it typically includes a name-record check of RCMP and U.S. FBI/NCIC criminal records). That could trigger the preparation of a 44(1) inadmissibility report.
Be aware that can happen at a Port-of-Entry any time you return to Canada. Very difficult to predict if that will in fact happen. But it can. And if it does the procedure is similar: the CBSA officer prepares a 44(1) Report and (this part is different from how RO Reports are handled) refers that to IRCC which will then decide whether to proceed with inadmissibility proceedings.
So you could reduce the odds of IRCC or CBSA initiating inadmissibility proceedings by not traveling outside Canada and not applying for a new PR card (you do not need one if you stay in Canada) and not applying for citizenship. But that will not totally solve the problem because this conviction is not one of those for which rehabilitation is deemed after five years. So, sooner or later you will want to go to an immigration lawyer and get some guidance on how to proceed. One possibility would be to wait more than five years from the last date of probation, at least four years from the date of conviction, to apply for citizenship; at that time (under current law; if Conservative get a majority in the coming election this could change) you could apply for citizenship without having to disclose the charge/conviction. But you should get advice from a lawyer before doing that.
So there is no rush to see a lawyer. You are at risk for inadmissibility proceedings -- noting, however, I have not seen anyone reporting inadmissibility proceedings based on one isolated offence of this sort where there was no aggravating circumstances, no injuries for example. So you should see a lawyer before you travel outside Canada (given the risk of screening when you return) or before making any applications (for yourself) to IRCC.
Given how long you have lived in Canada, and the extent to which your family is established here, I believe there are alternative ways in which you could continue to live and work in Canada even if IRCC proceeds with the adjudication of inadmissibility. You would really need a lawyer for that, if it comes to that.