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Report: Liberals to make immigration to Canada much easier

Simba112

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Canada is a liberal progressive country, over 65% of the population are liberal progressive, and that's why it's welcoming to immigrants. So I don't see your point about enslaving to a party. The conservative base is anti-immigrants, particularly from developing countries; just look at the vile comments on that article against immigrants of all kinds. Your point about the backlog is valid and that needs to fix, but you're also being very selfish. You're not the only one in need of protection and the world has been facing a refugee crisis. Don't you think the same thing is happening in other developed countries that refugees are flocking to? Plus, we're in a pandemic where immigration operations stopped for several months globally.
I guess your 65% reflect popular votes for 2019 and 2021 elections and the minority outcome. I dont know how you make up your number..
Same time you accuse me of being selfish, while your post #9 you said you dont agree with this policy. that makes two of us. I can't be two places at the same time, while I support fixing backlog, you dont fix backlog by creating another backlogs at another Roxhall. It makes no sense. By the way, it is the same liberal Government that appealed third country safe agreement and will definitely appeal Ms. Ghufran Almutadi and Mr. Abdulrhman Taskia vs Canada case. Why appealing Safe country agreement then???? and why they appealed? one reason is because of the Roxhall Road situation.
 
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Smartzz

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I guess your 65% reflect popular votes for 2019 and 2021 elections and the minority outcome. I dont know how you make up your number..
Same time you accuse me of being selfish, while your post #9 you said you dont agree with this policy. that makes two of us. I can't be two places at the same time, while I support fixing backlog, you dont fix backlog by creating another backlogs at another Roxhall. It makes no sense. By the way, it is the same liberal Government that appealed third country safe agreement and will definitely appeal Ms. Ghufran Almutadi and Mr. Abdulrhman Taskia vs Canada case. Why appealing Safe country agreement then???? and why they appealed? one reason is because of the Roxhall Road situation.
The fact that you said that shows me you know nothing about Canadian politics. The liberal, NDP, Quebec block and the green parties make up over 65% of the Canadian electorate. These are all liberal progressive parties that share most things in common. Why do you think they vote more to support the liberal government legislations and not team with the conservative opposition? I have not seen any other articles on this new policy, so I'm leaving my judgement until I have more evidence. I don't ponder to right-wing fear-mongering.
 

Simba112

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The fact that you said that shows me you know nothing about Canadian politics. The liberal, NDP, Quebec block and the green parties make up over 65% of the Canadian electorate. These are all liberal progressive parties that share most things in common. Why do you think they vote more to support the liberal government legislations and not team with the conservative opposition? I have not seen any other articles on this new policy, so I'm leaving my judgement until I have more evidence. I don't ponder to right-wing fear-mongering.
Okey and Fair enough.I guess I know nothing, and you know everything about Canadian Politics. I would reserve my energy for other respectful discussion.
 

Smartzz

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Okey and Fair enough.I guess I know nothing, and you know everything about Canadian Politics. I would reserve my energy for other respectful discussion.
My apology, I should have said it shows you know little about Canadian politics.
 

canuck78

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The fact that you said that shows me you know nothing about Canadian politics. The liberal, NDP, Quebec block and the green parties make up over 65% of the Canadian electorate. These are all liberal progressive parties that share most things in common. Why do you think they vote more to support the liberal government legislations and not team with the conservative opposition? I have not seen any other articles on this new policy, so I'm leaving my judgement until I have more evidence. I don't ponder to right-wing fear-mongering.
The bloc would not be considered progressive when it comes to immigration. Would add that the majority of conservatives are not anti-immigrant. They are usually more fiscally conservative and anyone knowing basic economics knows Canada needs immigration. The PCC party would be considered anti-immigrant.
 

Smartzz

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The bloc would not be considered progressive when it comes to immigration. Would add that the majority of conservatives are not anti-immigrant. They are usually more fiscally conservative and anyone knowing basic economics knows Canada needs immigration. The PCC party would be considered anti-immigrant.
Conservatives fiscally responsible means giving tax breaks to the top 1% at the expense of the middle class. I see right through their hypocrisy and I'm a moderate liberal progressive, who is fiscally responsible. You also fail to mention that many conservatives aren't progressive on social issues. The PCC party is considered right-wing conservative.
 

jakklondon

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The Trudeau Liberals are planning to remove nearly all grounds the Immigration department uses to exclude applicants, the Toronto Sun has learned.

It has been the Trudeau government’s goal since 2020 to increase Canada’s intake of immigrants and refugees by nearly one-third to 400,000 annually.

How they plan to achieve this elevated level is outlined in an internal draft document sent to immigration and refugee judges — documents that have been exclusively shared with the Sun.

In an email sent to staff and adjudicators on Sept. 20, Richard Wex, the Liberals’ appointee as chairperson and chief executive officer of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, laid out a massive expansion of the reasons immigrants can be allowed to enter and stay in Canada.

Under the new guidelines, contained in a document marked “Draft” and covered by solicitor-client privilege, civil service officers who do an initial screening of immigration and refugee claims, plus the immigration and refugee judges who hear appeals of the officers’ decisions, are instructed to accept any applicant who has an “intersectional” claim.

Intersectionality is defined as two or more of “race, religion, indigeneity, political beliefs, socioeconomic status, age, sexual orientation, culture, disability, or immigration status,” that “impact an individual’s lived experience of discrimination, marginalization or oppression.”

No longer will claimants need to prove, for instance, that they face torture or death if forced to return to their home countries. Nor will they have to satisfy the UN’s definition of a “refugee.”

Now, if they merely claim they have been discriminated against or persecuted for being poor and old, or Indigenous and holding political views targeted by some developing country’s strongman, in the Liberals come.

One of the principal tasks of the immigration officers and judges is to determine whether a claimant is telling the truth.

The Trudeau Liberals have that covered, too.

Chairperson Wex instructs his staff and judges to remember that trauma — whether physical or emotional — can cause people to recollect information or incidents incorrectly. Therefore, if applicants provide evidence that turns out to be false, it may not be because they’re lying.

Rather they might just be misremembering due to the lingering stress caused by a trauma. Don’t exclude them.

Staff and adjudicators are instructed to give applicants the benefit of the doubt. Unless the officer or judge involved has incontrovertible proof an applicant is lying, the claimant should be admitted. His or her claims of discrimination are to be accepted by default and his or her application approved.

Their falsehoods might just be the side effect of some traumatic experience that is impeding the applicant’s ability to provide evidence that would benefit him or her.

Wex describes a traumatic event as one that elicits “intense feelings of fear, terror, helplessness, hopelessness, and despair” that is perceived “as a threat to the person’s survival.”

Adjudicators must employ “a ‘Do No Harm’ approach” during hearings, to lead with “compassion, cultural humility, and patience in order to avoid retraumatization” of an applicant.

These new rules render examining refugees’ claims pointless.

Adjudicators, essentially, must now say yes to everyone who makes it to Canadian soil and claims (not proves, merely claims) they are a victim of two more of a broad range of abuses — some invisible and mild.

Already, 22 of just over 300 adjudicators already admit 100% of the claimants appearing before them. (The median acceptance rate across the country is about 70%.)

Accepting 100% of claims is an impossibly high rate, unless these 22 judges are deliberately looking to admit anyone and everyone. Most of the 22 are Liberal appointees. Now it would appear they are to be the models for all the other adjudicators.

And now there’s almost no chance they will be sent out of Canada because what applicant and his or her immigration lawyer isn’t going to be capable of thinking up some “interconnectedness” of discriminations or “trauma,” or both

That’s how the Liberals intend to turn 300,000 or so immigrants a year into 400,000 almost overnight.

Just get rid of all the rules and — presto — a boom in newcomers.
These so called "liberals" need millions of rickshaws on the streets of Canada. Having orderly society with good quality of life and controlled level of migration (as needed and can be assimilated by host country) is an anathema to them. More labor = cheaper labor!
I must note that these "liberals" have nothing to do with true liberal principles (which, at the core, are about government being at the service of its' people and doing what it can to make lives of citizens better, while guaranteeing individual freedoms and property rights). All they modern "liberals" care about are transnational corporations who finance their political campaigns. Certainly not good for Canada and Canadians to bring limitless number of immigrants with no screening and grounds to reject. By the way, once in power "conservatives" were no different from "liberals" in the past 20 years or so, just little worse than so called "liberals".
 

canuck78

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These so called "liberals" need millions of rickshaws on the streets of Canada. Having orderly society with good quality of life and controlled level of migration (as needed and can be assimilated by host country) is an anathema to them. More labor = cheaper labor!
I must note that these "liberals" have nothing to do with true liberal principles (which, at the core, are about government being at the service of its' people and doing what it can to make lives of citizens better, while guaranteeing individual freedoms and property rights). All they modern "liberals" care about are transnational corporations who finance their political campaigns. Certainly not good for Canada and Canadians to bring limitless number of immigrants with no screening and grounds to reject. By the way, once in power "conservatives" were no different from "liberals" in the past 20 years or so, just little worse than so called "liberals".
Liberal policies have in fact been very liberal. They have essentially been one the NDP. You like to criticize but you are very short of proof when it comes to your claims that liberal policy on claims about transnational companies that finance their campaigns. Liberals only fundraise a very small amount compared to countries like the US where they fundraisers hundreds of millions of dollars. Political parties in Canada operate on a pretty tight budget. Many have been in rough shape financially.
 

jakklondon

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Liberal policies have in fact been very liberal. They have essentially been one the NDP. You like to criticize but you are very short of proof when it comes to your claims that liberal policy on claims about transnational companies that finance their campaigns. Liberals only fundraise a very small amount compared to countries like the US where they fundraisers hundreds of millions of dollars. Political parties in Canada operate on a pretty tight budget. Many have been in rough shape financially.
"liberal", yeah, very very "liberal"....:rolleyes:

"Trudeau came to power in 2015 on the promise of a new, revitalised Liberal Party, removed from the stale old boys’ club of yore. The party, though it imagines itself as representing the quintessential ideals of Canadiana, has a long track record of corruption and chicanery, particularly in Quebec. With an electoral base in the country’s most heavily populated regions, like Quebec, the Liberals have enjoyed many decades in power. It is not without merit that they are referred to, derisively, as Canada’s Natural Governing Party. Power brings with it certain habits. This is true everywhere, but in a democratic country with a population the size of California spread across a gigantic landmass, influence runs in a geographic network that we describe in shorthand as the Laurentian Elite, after the St Lawrence River that runs through eastern Canada. Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, is very much a creature of this elite."

And here comes the icing on the cake:

"And so is SNC-Lavalin [creature of the same elite as PM Trudeau - JL]. Not just any company gets its calls taken by the prime minister’s office. Founded in 1911, SNC-Lavalin is a crown jewel in the Quebec corporate firmament. The company’s lobbyists have long ties in both Conservative and Liberal governments. Its lawyers include a former Supreme Court justice. A retired senior federal official is on its board. One of its corporate directors also sits on the board of the Trudeau Foundation. Quebec’s public pension funds own about 20 per cent of SNC-Lavalin’s shares."
Link: https://www.newsofbahrain.com/epaper/11-03-2019/single/page-08.pdf
 
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jakklondon

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Liberals only fundraise a very small amount compared to countries like the US where they fundraisers hundreds of millions of dollars. Political parties in Canada operate on a pretty tight budget. Many have been in rough shape financially.
You took issues with and admonished me for ever mentioning superior US job market and consequent RO compliance, as compared to Canadian labor market and RO. I asked you to stop comparisons, and you responded that I was the one doing it (and ended your sentence with exclamation mark). I haven't mentioned US once since that moment, But you still bring US into the picture, as a bogeyman to make Canada look better in comparison.

Just a note: you can't have it both ways, you can't bring US into picture and compare to Canada when it's convenient for you , and vehemently protest any comparison to the US when it goes against your purpose. It's either either, or. And my personal take is: comparisons to US are useless, because they don't do anything to justify wrongdoings in Canada.
 

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"liberal", yeah, very very "liberal"....:rolleyes:

"Trudeau came to power in 2015 on the promise of a new, revitalised Liberal Party, removed from the stale old boys’ club of yore. The party, though it imagines itself as representing the quintessential ideals of Canadiana, has a long track record of corruption and chicanery, particularly in Quebec. With an electoral base in the country’s most heavily populated regions, like Quebec, the Liberals have enjoyed many decades in power. It is not without merit that they are referred to, derisively, as Canada’s Natural Governing Party. Power brings with it certain habits. This is true everywhere, but in a democratic country with a population the size of California spread across a gigantic landmass, influence runs in a geographic network that we describe in shorthand as the Laurentian Elite, after the St Lawrence River that runs through eastern Canada. Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, is very much a creature of this elite."

And here comes the icing on the cake:

"And so is SNC-Lavalin [creature of the same elite as PM Trudeau - JL]. Not just any company gets its calls taken by the prime minister’s office. Founded in 1911, SNC-Lavalin is a crown jewel in the Quebec corporate firmament. The company’s lobbyists have long ties in both Conservative and Liberal governments. Its lawyers include a former Supreme Court justice. A retired senior federal official is on its board. One of its corporate directors also sits on the board of the Trudeau Foundation. Quebec’s public pension funds own about 20 per cent of SNC-Lavalin’s shares."
Link: https://www.newsofbahrain.com/epaper/11-03-2019/single/page-08.pdf
You have not provided any indication about how the Liberal party policies aren’t liberal or progressive.
 

jakklondon

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You have not provided any indication about how the Liberal party policies aren’t liberal or progressive.
To be corrupt, to be elitist, to cozy up and walk in "high corridors of power" where special interest groups have special access, to bring hundreds of thousands of immigrants to the shores of already overburdened country where many existing immigrants struggle to get survival jobs.... is not, by any , even far stretch, a definition of liberal policies.

You are liberal when you provide freedom of movement of goods (free trade), which is devoid of corruption and rigging, and guarantee property rights.
When you promote free enterprise and individual freedoms. When your state is in service of public and not vice versa. Where every individual gets rewarded according to his or her merits, and where no one can violate your inherent rights.

What I read and see Trudeau government is doing has nothing to do with Liberal policies (not to confuse with "liberal" or leftist or socialist or corrupt or oligarchic policies more fit for oligopoly or socialism)
 

canuck78

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To be corrupt, to be elitist, to cozy up and walk in "high corridors of power" where special interest groups have special access, to bring hundreds of thousands of immigrants to the shores of already overburdened country where many existing immigrants struggle to get survival jobs.... is not, by any , even far stretch, a definition of liberal policies.

You are liberal when you provide freedom of movement of goods (free trade), which is devoid of corruption and rigging, and guarantee property rights.
When you promote free enterprise and individual freedoms. When your state is in service of public and not vice versa. Where every individual gets rewarded according to his or her merits, and where no one can violate your inherent rights.

What I read and see Trudeau government is doing has nothing to do with Liberal policies (not to confuse with "liberal" or leftist or socialist or corrupt or oligarchic policies more fit for oligopoly or socialism)
Yes the liberal party is filled with a bunch of elitist MPs. They all are living in mansions from all the kickbacks they have taken from special interest groups or have funnelled off from the taxpayers. Canada has a relatively low unemployment rate. The levels of immigration make sense and those advising the level of immigration have nothing to do with political parties. None of Canada’s political parties force anyone to immigrate to Canada or force anyone to remain in Canada if they don’t find the opportunities that they want in Canada. There are tons of very successful immigrants who have found many great opportunities. Setting up trade agreements with as many countries as possible is progressive policy. Where is the corruption when it comes to trade? Is the Liberal party asking for kickbacks at the port if you want your delivery? Do they want partial ownership of all businesses? Does the party take over businesses and give them to friends of the Liberal party? We do have property rights in Canada. The Canadian government is there to support people which is why we have a variety of social programs. All the support programs available during covid are perfect examples of how the government serves the public.


Somehow you seem to think we live in Russia and Trudeau and Putin are the same.
 

jakklondon

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Yes the liberal party is filled with a bunch of elitist MPs. They all are living in mansions from all the kickbacks they have taken from special interest groups or have funnelled off from the taxpayers. Canada has a relatively low unemployment rate. The levels of immigration make sense and those advising the level of immigration have nothing to do with political parties. None of Canada’s political parties force anyone to immigrate to Canada or force anyone to remain in Canada if they don’t find the opportunities that they want in Canada. There are tons of very successful immigrants who have found many great opportunities. Setting up trade agreements with as many countries as possible is progressive policy. Where is the corruption when it comes to trade? Is the Liberal party asking for kickbacks at the port if you want your delivery? Do they want partial ownership of all businesses? Does the party take over businesses and give them to friends of the Liberal party? We do have property rights in Canada. The Canadian government is there to support people which is why we have a variety of social programs. All the support programs available during covid are perfect examples of how the government serves the public.


Somehow you seem to think we live in Russia and Trudeau and Putin are the same.
I made my point about scarcity of skilled jobs and record numbers of PR admissions very clear already, you make me repeat things, which makes it redundant. As to "liberal policies", I think you didn't read the article I quoted and posted a link to. Hint: I didn't write it. It was published in New York times (I provided alternative link, because NYT restricts the view to subscribers). Anyway, here it is (in case you missed it):

Liberal policies have in fact been very liberal. They have essentially been one the NDP. You like to criticize but you are very short of proof when it comes to your claims that liberal policy on claims about transnational companies that finance their campaigns. Liberals only fundraise a very small amount compared to countries like the US where they fundraisers hundreds of millions of dollars. Political parties in Canada operate on a pretty tight budget. Many have been in rough shape financially.
"liberal", yeah, very very "liberal"....:rolleyes:

"Trudeau came to power in 2015 on the promise of a new, revitalised Liberal Party, removed from the stale old boys’ club of yore. The party, though it imagines itself as representing the quintessential ideals of Canadiana, has a long track record of corruption and chicanery, particularly in Quebec. With an electoral base in the country’s most heavily populated regions, like Quebec, the Liberals have enjoyed many decades in power. It is not without merit that they are referred to, derisively, as Canada’s Natural Governing Party. Power brings with it certain habits. This is true everywhere, but in a democratic country with a population the size of California spread across a gigantic landmass, influence runs in a geographic network that we describe in shorthand as the Laurentian Elite, after the St Lawrence River that runs through eastern Canada. Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, is very much a creature of this elite."

And here comes the icing on the cake:

"And so is SNC-Lavalin [creature of the same elite as PM Trudeau - JL]. Not just any company gets its calls taken by the prime minister’s office. Founded in 1911, SNC-Lavalin is a crown jewel in the Quebec corporate firmament. The company’s lobbyists have long ties in both Conservative and Liberal governments. Its lawyers include a former Supreme Court justice. A retired senior federal official is on its board. One of its corporate directors also sits on the board of the Trudeau Foundation. Quebec’s public pension funds own about 20 per cent of SNC-Lavalin’s shares."
Link: https://www.newsofbahrain.com/epaper/11-03-2019/single/page-08.pdf
 

canuck78

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I made my point about scarcity of skilled jobs and record numbers of PR admissions very clear already, you make me repeat things, which makes it redundant. As to "liberal policies", I think you didn't read the article I quoted and posted a link to. Hint: I didn't write it. It was published in New York times (I provided alternative link, because NYT restricts the view to subscribers). Anyway, here it is (in case you missed it):



"liberal", yeah, very very "liberal"....:rolleyes:

"Trudeau came to power in 2015 on the promise of a new, revitalised Liberal Party, removed from the stale old boys’ club of yore. The party, though it imagines itself as representing the quintessential ideals of Canadiana, has a long track record of corruption and chicanery, particularly in Quebec. With an electoral base in the country’s most heavily populated regions, like Quebec, the Liberals have enjoyed many decades in power. It is not without merit that they are referred to, derisively, as Canada’s Natural Governing Party. Power brings with it certain habits. This is true everywhere, but in a democratic country with a population the size of California spread across a gigantic landmass, influence runs in a geographic network that we describe in shorthand as the Laurentian Elite, after the St Lawrence River that runs through eastern Canada. Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, is very much a creature of this elite."

And here comes the icing on the cake:

"And so is SNC-Lavalin [creature of the same elite as PM Trudeau - JL]. Not just any company gets its calls taken by the prime minister’s office. Founded in 1911, SNC-Lavalin is a crown jewel in the Quebec corporate firmament. The company’s lobbyists have long ties in both Conservative and Liberal governments. Its lawyers include a former Supreme Court justice. A retired senior federal official is on its board. One of its corporate directors also sits on the board of the Trudeau Foundation. Quebec’s public pension funds own about 20 per cent of SNC-Lavalin’s shares."
Link: https://www.newsofbahrain.com/epaper/11-03-2019/single/page-08.pdf
Your claims that there aren’t enough skilled jobs for the number of PRs admitted has nothing to do with whether a party is liberal or not.

Your article about getting rid of the old boys club, about Quebec and how Trudeau is the son of a past prime minister has no proof that the current liberal party doesn’t have liberal policies. The liberal candidates and cabinet members are very diverse and definitely not an old boys club. Trudeau can’t help that he attended some private schools and became a teacher before entering politics which isn’t a profession I would associate with old boys school club privilege. Anything to do with SNC Lavalin is primarily provincial government All the parties in Quebec have been supportive of SNC Lavalin because it is a major employer in Quebec. Having a board member sit on the Trudeau Foundation and SNC Lavalin means nothing. Yet again has nothing to do with whether the liberal party has liberal policies. The source of the article is not a publication that I would trust especially for information about Canada.

You have still not provided proof of what policies make the liberal party not liberal.