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[canuck78]

But shouldn't that be the responsibility of the college/UNI If one has secured admission then it means that that candidate had the right credentials. I desperately want to change my career but I cant take any other course because VO would reject stating irrelevance. So my plan is that I would change my course once I get my SP, although I will loose money I would at least do something that I want and not just for the sake of getting a degree.

Except the top tier schools the main goal of the colleges and universities is to make money. Most have much lower standards than IRCC for approval and are looking at very basic requirements. The exceptions are masters and PhD programs

 

[aspirant256]

Unfortunately not everyone does end contributing to the Canadian economy and many are not coming with a lot of family savings in addition to their turition and living expenses. There is actually quite a problem with some international students ending up in the sex trade to make money especially while studying. Many who are not able to adjust to Canada but are under too much pressure to just return home, many who end up on academic suspension, etc. Some may have sold assets or taken a loan well in advance so it isn’t obvious in the application.

I have strong finances and showed them a complete source of all the funds. While those with very little money are approved, so these problems are created by their own judgements. I have a very good travel history, a proven one with no visa refusal from any country other than Canada. Still have a doubt that I will be living there illegally? as a student I won't be able to bring all my funds to Canada so won't be leaving my funds behind to live in Canada illegally, would I?

 

[itsmecan]

Actually colleges are making money out of us. I feel that way, not all but I feel most do that.

For Private maybe yes, but Public is non-profit so it wont really interest them to randomly accept students.

 

[canuck78]

I have strong finances and showed them a complete source of all the funds. While those with very little money are approved, so these problems are created by their own judgements. I have a very good travel history, a proven one with no visa refusal from any country other than Canada. Still have a doubt that I will be living there illegally? as a student I won't be able to bring all my funds to Canada so won't be leaving my funds behind to live in Canada illegally, would I?

Travel history has very little (if any)impact on study permit approval. Anyone with funds can easily transfer them electronically these days so leaving funds in your home country does not provide proof that you will return to your home country.

 

[aspirant256]

But shouldn't that be the responsibility of the college/UNI If one has secured admission then it means that that candidate had the right credentials. I desperately want to change my career but I cant take any other course because VO would reject stating irrelevance. So my plan is that I would change my course once I get my SP, although I will loose money I would at least do something that I want and not just for the sake of getting a degree.

VO is supposedly the education expert who knows about all the fields of education and can tell if your work experience and education have progression and relevancy, while no questions are asked to the DLI as to why they gave admission to this person if there is no relevancy of course? penalize the DLI not the student.

 

[yesWeCanada]

For Private maybe yes, but Public is non-profit so it wont really interest them to randomly accept students.

No, actually a lot of colleges are public and I see that they accept students just like that. I have seen cases myself. They are public but there is nothing stopping them from accepting students who might not get through VISA filter. They are cautious but scrutiny is not that much as Univ do

 

[aspirant256]

Except the top tier schools the main goal of the colleges and universities is to make money. Most have much lower standards than IRCC for approval and are looking at very basic requirements. The exceptions are masters and PhD programs

Then IRCC needs to remove them from the DLI list if those institutes are not due diligent.

 

[itsmecan]

Except the top tier schools the main goal of the colleges and universities is to make money. Most have much lower standards than IRCC for approval and are looking at very basic requirements. The exceptions are masters and PhD programs

I get it for private but aren't public universities non-profit? so how does the 'making money' come into play. What am I missing here? Sorry at least that's what my understanding was.

 

[itsmecan]

Then IRCC needs to remove them from the DLI list if those institutes are not due diligent.

Yes totally! This would infact even reduce the work load from the VO as they then don't need to do a dual role of being a border security and a career councilor both at same time. They would then know all students arriving are from a list of approved DLI who have extremely high standards.

 

[aspirant256]

Travel history has very little (if any)impact on study permit approval. Anyone with funds can easily transfer them electronically these days so leaving funds in your home country does not provide proof that you will return to your home country.

Travel history is very important to them if one has overstayed or was refused a visa or denied entry, not sure how you came to this conclusion. A student might not be able to transfer all funds which are in hundreds of thousands of dollars. With this logic, anyone can sell their immovable assets and can transfer money to Canada.

 

[aspirant256]

Yes totally! This would infact even reduce the work load from the VO as they then don't need to do a dual role of being a border security and a career councilor both at same time. They would then know all students arriving are from a list of approved DLI who have extremely high standards.

Exactly, why VO is taking care of everything and cleaning the mess created by DLIs?

 

[canuck78]

For Private maybe yes, but Public is non-profit so it wont really interest them to randomly accept students.

Canadian schools are in need of funds so yes they accept many students even without strong qualifications. It makes no difference to the schools if the student fail their classes or doesn’t qualify for PGWP. The entrance averages for international students is often lower for international students because the goal is to get the international tuition. Due to increased popularity of studying in Canada averages have slowly increased but they are usually still lower than Canadian students. Some colleges accept students with low IELTS scores and some with some failing grades. The goal of some of the lower tiered schools including universities is to be able to meet their expenses.

 

[yesWeCanada]

Yes totally! This would infact even reduce the work load from the VO as they then don't need to do a dual role of being a border security and a career councilor both at same time. They would then know all students arriving are from a list of approved DLI who have extremely high standards.

Its not black and white in this world There will be always gray areas and devil is always in the details. Because DLIs can go to court if they find anything to fight with. Any immigration is a mess and I dont see anytime soon this will be solved.

 

[canuck78]

Travel history is very important to them if one has overstayed or was refused a visa or denied entry, not sure how you came to this conclusion. A student might not be able to transfer all funds which are in hundreds of thousands of dollars. With this logic, anyone can sell their immovable assets and can transfer money to Canada.

Travel history is very different than past immigration offences. Not having traveled to multiple countries or having been denied a tourist visa doesn’t have a huge impact on your approval for a study permit. Yes you can transfer all your funds. Happens on a regular basis.

 

[itsmecan]

Canadian schools are in need of funds so yes they accept many students even without strong qualifications. It makes no difference to the schools if the student fail their classes or doesn’t qualify for PGWP. The entrance averages for international students is often lower for international students because the goal is to get the international tuition. Due to increased popularity of studying in Canada averages have slowly increased but they are usually still lower than Canadian students. Some colleges accept students with low IELTS scores and some with some failing grades. The goal of some of the lower tiered schools including universities is to be able to meet their expenses.

Makes sense when looked at this way. Look don't get me wrong, I totally understand getting entry into Canada is a privilege and not a right. These complaints just come from a place of someone really wanting to settle in Canada and eventually become a proud citizen, that's all Hopefully the processes do get streamlined & fairer in future.