No one can stop you from trying to apply. However there is a high chance IRCC will say your NOC is 6711 once they see who your employer is. 6611 is not the right NOC for your job.
TR TO PR PATHWAY- non essential worker- work experience
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No you are not eligible. You are NOC 6711. NOC 6611 specifically states grocery stores. You do not work in one. Your NOC will match 6711.
Check the "Job acceptance letter/Work contract" that you SIGNED before joining your job. It will list all JOB-Duties you are required to perform.
The debate over "food counter attendants", specifically "Team Members" in Mcdonalds/Tims.
A questions was raised by an MP, towards Marian Campbell Jarvis "Assistant Deputy Minister for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada."
Read below,
Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Surrey—Newton, Lib.):
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I want to thank the officials for their great work. This announcement on the pathway was made well in advance, but it wasn't clear what documents and information the applicants were required to be prepared to submit, which may have led to small errors and omissions in their applications.
Even today we can see that those two categories are not full, so I would suggest to the officials that instead of just rejecting those applications, they should be given a fair chance and sent a procedural fairness letter to address those concerns, instead of just taking that application out. That is my suggestion.
Secondly, Madam Campbell Jarvis was talking about essential work. When you go to many small restaurants, you see those NOC code 6513 and NOC code 6711 food and beverage servers, food counter attendants and kitchen helpers. I go to a small restaurant. Those food servers are the ones who greet people and seat them. They take the orders, serve the food and then at the end clean up the table. They work as cashiers.
I personally feel that category should be part of that essential workers stream. I request that you, the officials—and also, through you, the minister—see if we can include those NOC codes in those categories. Those essential positions are still at 7,637 out of the 30,000.
Many people have expressed frustration and confusion regarding the eligible NOC codes. There is conflicting information around that. Could officials please provide to this committee, in writing, the list of all eligible NOC codes for the six separate streams and also the ones they can include?
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Ms. Marian Campbell Jarvis:
Thank you, Madam Chair. There are some really excellent questions there.
Just to take them in turn, with respect to the disparity in how quickly some of the applications are coming in, I think it really does come back to that client behaviour. We know that international graduates often seek that pathway. A number have made the transition before, so it wasn't surprising to us that they were first out of the gate, but it's still really early days on the other ones.
We have put forward that six-month runway to really allow time for other essential workers and health care workers and francophone speakers to have that time to apply. I think we're going to see some changes over the next couple of months, and there's still time left, so I don't think we need to worry yet.
With respect to the question and comment about small restaurant owners, one thing in putting this together is that the minister had a lot of things to consider and a lot of priorities to balance. By selecting particular NOC codes for “essential”, it certainly doesn't mean that other positions aren't essential, but we did hear from stakeholders, and when we look at employment data—in particular, that provided by the labour council—we know that there are certain areas where there are a number of Canadians who are ready to work, so we weren't looking at codes where there would already be high unemployment rates. Certainly, the contributions of restaurant workers are really important in Canada and to Canada's economy, but there was a lot of thought put behind the balance of that.
One of the other points I wanted to mention is that all of the other pathways still exist: the provincial nominee program, the rural and northern immigration pilot and the Atlantic immigration pilot. All of those pathways still exist alongside this special temporary public policy that was put in place, so there will be opportunities above and beyond this pathway.
I think I heard that the last question was on an undertaking in writing for the NOC codes that are part of this, as well as the ones that aren't. Certainly, we've made note of that. I would warn, Madam Chair, that the NOC code list is fairly extensive, but we'd certainly do our best with that.
A questions was raised by an MP, towards Marian Campbell Jarvis "Assistant Deputy Minister for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada."
Read below,
Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Surrey—Newton, Lib.):
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I want to thank the officials for their great work. This announcement on the pathway was made well in advance, but it wasn't clear what documents and information the applicants were required to be prepared to submit, which may have led to small errors and omissions in their applications.
Even today we can see that those two categories are not full, so I would suggest to the officials that instead of just rejecting those applications, they should be given a fair chance and sent a procedural fairness letter to address those concerns, instead of just taking that application out. That is my suggestion.
Secondly, Madam Campbell Jarvis was talking about essential work. When you go to many small restaurants, you see those NOC code 6513 and NOC code 6711 food and beverage servers, food counter attendants and kitchen helpers. I go to a small restaurant. Those food servers are the ones who greet people and seat them. They take the orders, serve the food and then at the end clean up the table. They work as cashiers.
I personally feel that category should be part of that essential workers stream. I request that you, the officials—and also, through you, the minister—see if we can include those NOC codes in those categories. Those essential positions are still at 7,637 out of the 30,000.
Many people have expressed frustration and confusion regarding the eligible NOC codes. There is conflicting information around that. Could officials please provide to this committee, in writing, the list of all eligible NOC codes for the six separate streams and also the ones they can include?
[Expand]
Ms. Marian Campbell Jarvis:
Thank you, Madam Chair. There are some really excellent questions there.
Just to take them in turn, with respect to the disparity in how quickly some of the applications are coming in, I think it really does come back to that client behaviour. We know that international graduates often seek that pathway. A number have made the transition before, so it wasn't surprising to us that they were first out of the gate, but it's still really early days on the other ones.
We have put forward that six-month runway to really allow time for other essential workers and health care workers and francophone speakers to have that time to apply. I think we're going to see some changes over the next couple of months, and there's still time left, so I don't think we need to worry yet.
With respect to the question and comment about small restaurant owners, one thing in putting this together is that the minister had a lot of things to consider and a lot of priorities to balance. By selecting particular NOC codes for “essential”, it certainly doesn't mean that other positions aren't essential, but we did hear from stakeholders, and when we look at employment data—in particular, that provided by the labour council—we know that there are certain areas where there are a number of Canadians who are ready to work, so we weren't looking at codes where there would already be high unemployment rates. Certainly, the contributions of restaurant workers are really important in Canada and to Canada's economy, but there was a lot of thought put behind the balance of that.
One of the other points I wanted to mention is that all of the other pathways still exist: the provincial nominee program, the rural and northern immigration pilot and the Atlantic immigration pilot. All of those pathways still exist alongside this special temporary public policy that was put in place, so there will be opportunities above and beyond this pathway.
I think I heard that the last question was on an undertaking in writing for the NOC codes that are part of this, as well as the ones that aren't. Certainly, we've made note of that. I would warn, Madam Chair, that the NOC code list is fairly extensive, but we'd certainly do our best with that.
IRCC was aware of the fact, and for the reason mentioned above didn't include "Team Members" working in fast food chains. Again, if IRCC sees your employers name, they for sure will look into your file deeply. That's all I can advise. You can apply and try your luck.
rabrakha
Champion Member
- Dec 4, 2013
- 106
- Visa Office......
- chandigarh
- NOC Code......
- 2282
- App. Filed.......
- Ainp applied 18 may 2016, File No July,15, 2016. PR applied 29 dec 2016
- Doc's Request.
- August 22, 2016
- Nomination.....
- 28 Sep 2016
- AOR Received.
- AOR PR 15 feb 2017
- IELTS Request
- 6(R-5.5,W-6,S-6,L-6.5)
- File Transfer...
- 5-dec-2013-GENERAL-UNIERSITY
- Med's Request
- pre medical done
- Med's Done....
- PR Med 8 Jan 2018
- Interview........
- Study visa 31-dec-2013
- Passport Req..
- PPR PP req and DM: sep 12, 2018
- VISA ISSUED...
- 31-dec-2013
- LANDED..........
- 13-january-2014, PR Landing: 7 Oct,2018
but on noc code 6611 it says
Cashiers operate cash registers, optical price scanners, computers or other equipment to record and accept payment for the purchase of goods, services and admissions. They are employed in stores, restaurants, theatres, recreational and sports establishments, currency exchange booths, government offices, business offices and other service, retail and wholesale establishments.
All of us know that.
If your employer is someone like Tim Hortons, IRCC will say the right NOC is 6711 (not 6611). NOC 6711 is a closer match based on duties / responsibilities.
Again, entirely your choice which NOC you apply under. We are just telling you what to expect from IRCC.
You can try but that is why they have a food attendant NOC that covers cashiers in fast food places.
If I will try. Then if they somehow reject it. Will that rejection affect my further PR applications?
Thankyou
if you see noc code for cashier and it shows various example of cashier. one of them is a restaurant cashier. however TIM hortons and macdonalds are not restaurant and in my opinion doesn't fall under cashier but falls under 6711. applicant may apply but IRCC can deny that
- Tr to Pr non Essencial Work
- Submitted: June 18, 2021 (6:00 pm) (counter was about 9.800)
- AOR: not received
- Biometrics: not requested
- COPR: no confirmation
Hey, i am facing same problem. I work at Anw. Have you submitted your application under 6611 yet or no?
Hey, I need some help. As an international student, I worked as a cashier (NOC 6611) at Walmart from October 2019 to May 2020. I was then promoted to Customer Service Manager (NOC 6211) from May 2020 to the present. Does 6211 qualify for TR to PR? During the school semester, I worked 20 hours per week and during official breaks, I worked up to 40 hours sometimes.