Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[Impatient Dankaroo]

You seem to be involved in admissions, careers and study permits as I see. You have every reason to sell this BS.

Actually, I am a student here in Toronto. But I imagine why with your attitude you see Canada with doom and gloom and probably won't succeed

 

[coolgal]

Actually, I am a student here in Toronto. But I imagine why with your attitude you see Canada with doom and gloom and probably won't succeed

Look at the substance, not attitude. And don't sell BS.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Look at the substance, not attitude. And don't sell BS.

Quitters gon' quit

 

[coolgal]

Quitters gon' quit

Says a guy who doesn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

 

[Rish92]

Let’s not turn this forum into Twitter-war lol

 

[nousername2020]

Let’s not turn this forum into Twitter-war lol

I like reading everyone's argument.. plz do not go tangent

 

[Carmen01]

Hmmmm....all we need is one FSW draw to relax the nerves.

 

[ConstanceM]

Hmmmm....all we need is one FSW draw to relax the nerves.

Can’t agree more

 

[Rish92]

I and others like me went thru all 5 stages of grief, from denial to depression, and finally acceptance, while trying to get that Australian PR

Those Oz forums used to be lit with arguments counter arguments on immigration. Now it’s a ghost town there.

Hope IRCC brings some level consistency in the proceedings for us to gauge our future. Until then... well... I’ll just sit tight.... and learn some French.

 

[Kiran Jayachandran]

your crs is 478 which is more than enough. the problem we're facing in 2021 is not fsw crs cutoffs skyrocketing, but it is the possibility of Canada only taking in CECs and PNPs and other inlanders and not even considering outlanders. if that comes to pass then french, or even english, becomes useless. what becomes useful is the dollar you'd need to pay some canadian school to get PGWP and become CEC and get PR.

What are the chances of getting student visa with 6 years GAP (Age 30)

 

[Windsor37]

No grass is an equivalent to a war-torn country, and Canada has done a good job bringing those people in. That is a great humanitarian gesture.

Let me give you the punch line: Economic immigration for the most part is mere exploitation. The big bracket earners(doctors, lawyers etc) pay the highest taxes and that sustains the infrastructure, healthcare etc. The government only needs to fill in the middle, and lower level labour, and immigrants do that for them. Lot of volume here. I just feel sad to see good talent wasted.

So while the barriers to entry are high(CRS scores etc.), they don't give a damn when a PhD works at Tims or is driving a Uber. They are happy as long as one pays whatever taxes are due(big volume--lots of people). They are selling a dream, and people are buying into it.

I do agree on the exploitation part, but then again I'll rather be exploited to Canada and end up in the middle or lower income bracket, than stay in a country where even being in the top 20% of earners feels poorer compared to Canada's lowest 20%.

If you're already wasting your talents in the country you're living in because of the extremely cheap price of labor, what's wrong with doing it in Canada? At least finally, you'd be able to afford that cup of Tim Horton's coffee.

 

[joconstantine]

I do agree on the exploitation part, but then again I'll rather be exploited to Canada and end up in the middle or lower income bracket, than stay in a country where even being in the top 20% of earners feels poorer compared to Canada's lowest 20%.

If you're already wasting your talents in the country you're living in because of the extremely cheap price of labor, what's wrong with doing it in Canada? At least finally, you'd be able to afford that cup of Tim Horton's coffee.

I wonder if Canada is so bad, why would our friend coolgal still bother pursuing his life there?

For some people, Canada is not their first choice. Actually immigration was not even our first choice when we were born. So if one chooses US, and later consider Canada, it is totally fine. As we live on, as the world keeps changing, we have the right to adjust our plan, too. This does not prove that Canada is a worse choice. But as time goes by, Canada becomes the best choice that one can afford.

 

[Windsor37]

I wonder if Canada is so bad, why would our friend coolgal still bother pursuing his life there?

For some people, Canada is not their first choice. Actually immigration was not even our first choice when we were born. So if one chooses US, and later consider Canada, it is totally fine. As we live on, as the world keeps changing, we have the right to adjust our plan, too. This does not prove that Canada is a worse choice. But as time goes by, Canada becomes the best choice that one can afford.

True, though me personally, Canada's job market suits my skillset which is why it's on my list. The other 2 countries which has a better job market would be the US, and UK. China, maybe, but I don't think I'd be able to manage there.

I chose Canada because is much easier to enter, and I feel it to be just more peaceful compared to US, or UK. I might try to go to the US if Canada won't work out, given that Biden is on the wheel now.

 

[ZAtoCD]

Honestly, it's unfortunate that the conversation here has gone in the direction that is has. And not only that, but that Canada is somehow being slandered as a low-ranked option for immigration. I mean no one's forcing anyone to go there, and yet demand is still through the roof.

I think it's narrow-minded not to acknowledge that many people move to Canada because they actually want to be there, and nowhere else.

The country has/is:

• One of the largest economies in the world, despite its small population,
• A very high GDP per capita (higher than the UK and NZ),
• One of the highest Human Development Index ratings globally (and many above it aren't English-speaking countries),
• A ranking of 12th globally for education, which is part of HDI (out of 188 countries),
• A ranking of 15th (out of 183) for life expectancy, with Australia being the only English country above it,
• Unbelievable nature, natural resources, and the world's largest supply of fresh water (we may be warring over water in the future). It is a net exporter of food, minerals, and energy, and has the world's 3rd largest proven oil reserves,
• World-renowned multi-culturalism that allows you to keep your cultural identity and thrive, rather than be absorbed like in the US' melting pot, or marginalized like in many other countries,
• A ranking of 5th in the World Liberty Index (the degree of economic and personal freedoms that their citizens enjoy),
• Very high rank for environmental performance,
• A ranking of 1st in the BAV/VMLY&R/Wharton School Best Countries survey for 5 consecutive years up to and including 2020, for amazing self-reported quality of life,
• A ranking of 11th for Global Finance's safety index, which takes war and peace, personal security, and natural disasters into account. New Zealand is the only English country ranked higher,
• Extremely high rank for anti-corruption and transparency,
• A ranking of 3rd in the world for the Anholt-Ipsos Nation Brands Index, which takes other countries perceptions of a country into account,
• Extremely high rank for freedom of speech and freedom of the press,
• A ranking of 6th on the Global Peace Index. For comparison, Australia ranks 13th, the UK ranks 45th, and the United States ranks 128th. That's 1 rank behind my home country of South Africa. But sure... move there for the money, if you've been blind to what's been happening these past few years.
• One of the highest ranks on the Global Competitiveness Index,
• A ranking of 3rd in the world for the World Economic Forum's safest banks in the world. Exceptionally stable financial system that had zero failures during the Great Depression,
• One of the highest rankings in the World Happiness Index, which annually ranks national happiness based on respondent ratings of their own lives,
• And perhaps the most important one, a ranking of 5th in the Democracy Index, behind only Norway, Iceland, Sweden, and New Zealand. The US ranks 25th and has the title of "flawed democracy", not "full democracy". This rank takes civil liberties, fundamental political freedoms, the thriving of democratic principles, governmental checks and balances, an independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and diverse and independent media into account.

And yet despite all of these facts, you have seemingly loads of people wanting to talk trash about Canada? If you don't want to move there, don't go. If it's your only option to improve your life, then go there, and be grateful you could move up from where you came from instead of being stuck in your country of birth.

My friend asked above why people would still be going there, and it's not because it's the only option, it's because CA is so damn appealing for so many reasons. And anyone who wants to doubt that can come to this post and read the bullets if they like.

You've got other English-speaking countries where racism runs rampant, you no longer get to hold onto your culture, crime is higher, sunshine is worse, geographic isolation is bad and economic opportunities are lower. And then you have our beloved United States, which very nearly fell to full blown fascism in the past weeks, in case anyone missed the news. But you wanna talk trash about Canada?

I just had to set the record straight here. Those of us who get in need to be grateful for the amazing opportunity we've been given, and also turn around and welcome others. Those of us who don't shouldn't turn around and slander the country. Canada is my first choice, for all of the reasons above and so many more.

 

[joconstantine]

True, though me personally, Canada's job market suits my skillset which is why it's on my list. The other 2 countries which has a better job market would be the US, and UK. China, maybe, but I don't think I'd be able to manage there.

I chose Canada because is much easier to enter, and I feel it to be just more peaceful compared to US, or UK. I might try to go to the US if Canada won't work out, given that Biden is on the wheel now.

Same here, I am in Tech, so going to Canada does not sound so bad, given the frequent OINP tech draws. Of course, the money won't be as abundant as in US. But I don't think I can make it to US. I can totally afford another Master course in US but what would the point be?
My partner is currently in US and he has been in a nice job for a year, not highly-paid but stable. His company does appreciate his talent and dedication, and might offer him PR sponsorship in the future. But we still look at Canada as a place to settle down in the long term.
So again, Canada might not be the best choice, but it is our main focus for now, so we only concentrate on working towards it.

Honestly, it's unfortunate that the conversation here has gone in the direction that is has. And not only that, but that Canada is somehow being slandered as a low-ranked option for immigration. I mean no one's forcing anyone to go there, and yet demand is still through the roof.

I think it's narrow-minded not to acknowledge that many people move to Canada because they actually want to be there, and nowhere else.

The country has/is:

• One of the largest economies in the world, despite its small population,
• A very high GDP per capita (higher than the UK and NZ),
• One of the highest Human Development Index ratings globally (and many above it aren't English-speaking countries),
• A ranking of 12th globally for education, which is part of HDI (out of 188 countries),
• A ranking of 15th (out of 183) for life expectancy, with Australia being the only English country above it,
• Unbelievable nature, natural resources, and the world's largest supply of fresh water (we may be warring over water in the future). It is a net exporter of food, minerals, and energy, and has the world's 3rd largest proven oil reserves,
• World-renowned multi-culturalism that allows you to keep your cultural identity and thrive, rather than be absorbed like in the US' melting pot, or marginalized like in many other countries,
• A ranking of 5th in the World Liberty Index (the degree of economic and personal freedoms that their citizens enjoy),
• Very high rank for environmental performance,
• A ranking of 1st in the BAV/VMLY&R/Wharton School Best Countries survey for 5 consecutive years up to and including 2020, for amazing self-reported quality of life,
• A ranking of 11th for Global Finance's safety index, which takes war and peace, personal security, and natural disasters into account. New Zealand is the only English country ranked higher,
• Extremely high rank for anti-corruption and transparency,
• A ranking of 3rd in the world for the Anholt-Ipsos Nation Brands Index, which takes other countries perceptions of a country into account,
• Extremely high rank for freedom of speech and freedom of the press,
• A ranking of 6th on the Global Peace Index. For comparison, Australia ranks 13th, the UK ranks 45th, and the United States ranks 128th. That's 1 rank behind my home country of South Africa. But sure... move there for the money, if you've been blind to what's been happening these past few years.
• One of the highest ranks on the Global Competitiveness Index,
• A ranking of 3rd in the world for the World Economic Forum's safest banks in the world. Exceptionally stable financial system that had zero failures during the Great Depression,
• One of the highest rankings in the World Happiness Index, which annually ranks national happiness based on respondent ratings of their own lives,
• And perhaps the most important one, a ranking of 5th in the Democracy Index, behind only Norway, Iceland, Sweden, and New Zealand. The US ranks 25th and has the title of "flawed democracy", not "full democracy". This rank takes civil liberties, fundamental political freedoms, the thriving of democratic principles, governmental checks and balances, an independent judiciary whose decisions are enforced, governments that function adequately, and diverse and independent media into account.

And yet despite all of these facts, you have seemingly loads of people wanting to talk trash about Canada? If you don't want to move there, don't go. If it's your only option to improve your life, then go there, and be grateful you could move up from where you came from instead of being stuck in your country of birth.

My friend asked above why people would still be going there, and it's not because it's the only option, it's because CA is so damn appealing for so many reasons. And anyone who wants to doubt that can come to this post and read the bullets if they like.

You've got other English-speaking countries where racism runs rampant, you no longer get to hold onto your culture, crime is higher, sunshine is worse, geographic isolation is bad and economic opportunities are lower. And then you have our beloved United States, which very nearly fell to full blown fascism in the past weeks, in case anyone missed the news. But you wanna talk trash about Canada?

I just had to set the record straight here. Those of us who get in need to be grateful for the amazing opportunity we've been given, and also turn around and welcome others. Those of us who don't shouldn't turn around and slander the country. Canada is my first choice, for all of the reasons above and so many more.

*Slamming my desk and screaming out that you're just on point*