CBSA stamp wrong date

[Maysashahin90]

Dear all
I have arrived yesterday 18th of November 2020 into Canada after being outisde for almost a year. I asked the officer to stamp my passport upon entry and he did. When I checked the stamp it was 15th of November and not the 18th. What do you guys suggest should be done with this?. I don't know if it could be amended but it isnt possible as far as I know

 

[masood8]

Did you checked the stamp at airport and informed the officer then?

 

[Maysashahin90]

Did you checked the stamp at airport and informed the officer then?

Unfortunately no but called them after I discovered and they said they cant ammend it

 

[Maysashahin90]

Dear all
I have arrived yesterday 18th of November 2020 into Canada after being outisde for almost a year. I asked the officer to stamp my passport upon entry and he did. When I checked the stamp it was 15th of November and not the 18th. What do you guys suggest should be done with this?. I don't know if it could be amended but it isnt possible as far as I know

@dpenabill @canuck78 @Bs65 and other seniors are welcomed to comment on this please

 

[armoured]

Dear all
I have arrived yesterday 18th of November 2020 into Canada after being outisde for almost a year. I asked the officer to stamp my passport upon entry and he did. When I checked the stamp it was 15th of November and not the 18th. What do you guys suggest should be done with this?. I don't know if it could be amended but it isnt possible as far as I know

It's three days difference. Best to manage your affairs and residence / citizenship etc on the basis that the more conservative of the two (the 18th) - which is also the factual date of entry - is accurate and the one that will be used. Keep also other records of your travel (tickets, boarding passes, etc). Keep a record that this was an error and you spoke to cbsa but there was no way to correct.

If you have that other evidence and are not cutting it too close, it should never come up.

Note that IRCC/CBSA will likely use by default the date entered in their system - which is electronic and would not have the date error (which is quite likely just the stamp was not physically set to correct date). So if you provide the ACTUAL date of entry - the truth - there will likely not be any inconsistency.

At this point it's probably pointless to speculate on whether any authority (if it ever comes to a dispute about which date) would decide on the basis of the stamp or the electronic records (with other evidence related to this).

My point is: you do NOT want to have this minor difference become a point of contention at any point in your interactions with IRCC. Particularly since you also know it to be true that you entered on the 18th. Be truthful. Most of all you don't want IRCC/CBSA to think there's some problem with reliability of your travel history.

 

[Maysashahin90]

It's three days difference. Best to manage your affairs and residence / citizenship etc on the basis that the more conservative of the two (the 18th) - which is also the factual date of entry - is accurate and the one that will be used. Keep also other records of your travel (tickets, boarding passes, etc). Keep a record that this was an error and you spoke to cbsa but there was no way to correct.

If you have that other evidence and are not cutting it too close, it should never come up.

Note that IRCC/CBSA will likely use by default the date entered in their system - which is electronic and would not have the date error (which is quite likely just the stamp was not physically set to correct date). So if you provide the ACTUAL date of entry - the truth - there will likely not be any inconsistency.

At this point it's probably pointless to speculate on whether any authority (if it ever comes to a dispute about which date) would decide on the basis of the stamp or the electronic records (with other evidence related to this).

My point is: you do NOT want to have this minor difference become a point of contention at any point in your interactions with IRCC. Particularly since you also know it to be true that you entered on the 18th. Be truthful. Most of all you don't want IRCC/CBSA to think there's some problem with reliability of your travel history.

Thank you
Of course I will disclose the actual date which is the 18th.
In my opinion I wont like to say I arrived on the 18th when the stamp was 15th, no one would like about losing presence days and not gaining them.
If stamp was in future that would make things hard dont you think?

 

[armoured]

In my opinion I wont like to say I arrived on the 18th when the stamp was 15th, no one would like about losing presence days and not gaining them.
If stamp was in future that would make things hard dont you think?

You will cause more problems than you are likely to gain if you attempted to claim the earlier date.

"If stamp was in future" - different problem, can likely be resolved by other evidence. But let's not imagine problems.

Stamps not being updated - this is not the first time, stamp was last used a few days ago, that's all. Stamp in the future would be manifest error.

 

[dpenabill]

Dear all
I have arrived yesterday 18th of November 2020 into Canada after being outisde for almost a year. I asked the officer to stamp my passport upon entry and he did. When I checked the stamp it was 15th of November and not the 18th. What do you guys suggest should be done with this?. I don't know if it could be amended but it isnt possible as far as I know

I concur in what @armoured has offered here and what @primaprime offered in the other topic where you posed the same query.

I do not concur in efforts to manufacture evidence, even accurate evidence.

With rare exceptions, PRs do not run into problems with the PR Residency Obligation, or with applications for citizenship, UNLESS there is cause. Neither IRCC nor CBSA engage in gotcha-games.

PRs who comply with the rules and who play it straight have very little or nothing to worry about.

Sure, those who are cutting-it-close can encounter some non-routine processing and elevated scrutiny, but their best insurance is to maintain a decent margin over the minimums, keep good records, and be honest, accurate, and complete when engaging with CBSA or IRCC. Not that complicated.

Note, in particular, that @primaprime is right that the CBSA travel history record of the entry will be correct. But now there may be a note added for emphasis since demanding the stamp in your passport, your effort to manufacture evidence, might have raised a red flag.

I do not mean to suggest that this instance is a big deal. Probably no big deal at all. But the approach you employed, the effort to manufacture evidence, risks more than what can be gained. Other than the actual facts, the impression Canadian officials have regarding YOUR CREDIBILITY is the biggest factor influencing how things go . . . in regards to RO compliance or qualifying for a grant of citizenship. If your behavior signals game-playing that risks inviting suspicions.

 

[armoured]

But now there may be a note added for emphasis since demanding the stamp in your passport, your effort to manufacture evidence, might have raised a red flag.

I don't disagree with any of what you've written but I'm afraid the term "manufacture evidence" may be interpreted as something like I want to get 'fake' evidence.

You're right, even the request may seem unusual or slightly odd to a CBSA officer (who have better things to do).

That said, it's entirely within the normal rights of travellers to request that they stamp. Unfortunately all we can suggest - in the sense here to avoid some note that may be negative or out of context being placed in file - is for the traveller / PR to ask nicely and naturally, perhaps by saying they want to keep accurate records, perhaps "I like to show my kid" or my kid always wants to look at the stamps, or "I want to qualify for citizenship as soon as possible." Frankly just saying 'please' might help.

I'm not suggesting saying anything untruthful, of course. Just to the CBSA officer the stamp is pretty low down the list of things to think about, and someone asking may stick out to them. (Probably a factor in why the date was off in the first place)

Lawyers could probably say what type of evidence is considered more authoritative, but the reality is you never want to be in a situation where there's a dispute about whose evidence is better or even a factor.

 

[Maysashahin90]

I concur in what @armoured has offered here and what @primaprime offered in the other topic where you posed the same query.

I do not concur in efforts to manufacture evidence, even accurate evidence.

With rare exceptions, PRs do not run into problems with the PR Residency Obligation, or with applications for citizenship, UNLESS there is cause. Neither IRCC nor CBSA engage in gotcha-games.

PRs who comply with the rules and who play it straight have very little or nothing to worry about.

Sure, those who are cutting-it-close can encounter some non-routine processing and elevated scrutiny, but their best insurance is to maintain a decent margin over the minimums, keep good records, and be honest, accurate, and complete when engaging with CBSA or IRCC. Not that complicated.

Note, in particular, that @primaprime is right that the CBSA travel history record of the entry will be correct. But now there may be a note added for emphasis since demanding the stamp in your passport, your effort to manufacture evidence, might have raised a red flag.

I do not mean to suggest that this instance is a big deal. Probably no big deal at all. But the approach you employed, the effort to manufacture evidence, risks more than what can be gained. Other than the actual facts, the impression Canadian officials have regarding YOUR CREDIBILITY is the biggest factor influencing how things go . . . in regards to RO compliance or qualifying for a grant of citizenship. If your behavior signals game-playing that risks inviting suspicions.

Thank you for your reply
I didn't need to manufacture any evidence I am well within my obligation and it has been only 11 months since I was absent. The cbsa website suggests to ask for a stamp for PRs and others who want to keep track of their travel record and not for anything else. I want to be able to remember my entries and exits in the future not for any other sake and when I asked the officer he was more than welcoming to stamp my passport.
My stamp was 3 days before my actual date of arrival and I wont be claiming that I will be writing my actual date of arrival of course. Alot of people have has the same issue and I don't think asking for a stamp is generating any evidence its just purely for the sake of record keeping and even the cbsa wrote that on their website.

 

[Maysashahin90]

You will cause more problems than you are likely to gain if you attempted to claim the earlier date.

"If stamp was in future" - different problem, can likely be resolved by other evidence. But let's not imagine problems.

Stamps not being updated - this is not the first time, stamp was last used a few days ago, that's all. Stamp in the future would be manifest error.

Yes thats what I meant. The stamp was old and I won't be at all claiming the stamp date definetly not, those are 3 days only and no one would care to claim 3 extra days of physical presence not even 3 months is worth the trouble

 

[Maysashahin90]

I don't disagree with any of what you've written but I'm afraid the term "manufacture evidence" may be interpreted as something like I want to get 'fake' evidence.

You're right, even the request may seem unusual or slightly odd to a CBSA officer (who have better things to do).

That said, it's entirely within the normal rights of travellers to request that they stamp. Unfortunately all we can suggest - in the sense here to avoid some note that may be negative or out of context being placed in file - is for the traveller / PR to ask nicely and naturally, perhaps by saying they want to keep accurate records, perhaps "I like to show my kid" or my kid always wants to look at the stamps, or "I want to qualify for citizenship as soon as possible." Frankly just saying 'please' might help.

I'm not suggesting saying anything untruthful, of course. Just to the CBSA officer the stamp is pretty low down the list of things to think about, and someone asking may stick out to them. (Probably a factor in why the date was off in the first place)

Lawyers could probably say what type of evidence is considered more authoritative, but the reality is you never want to be in a situation where there's a dispute about whose evidence is better or even a factor.

What note could be left, if someone is well within the obligations of the PR what could be negative in the file??

 

[Maysashahin90]

I concur in what @armoured has offered here and what @primaprime offered in the other topic where you posed the same query.

I do not concur in efforts to manufacture evidence, even accurate evidence.

With rare exceptions, PRs do not run into problems with the PR Residency Obligation, or with applications for citizenship, UNLESS there is cause. Neither IRCC nor CBSA engage in gotcha-games.

PRs who comply with the rules and who play it straight have very little or nothing to worry about.

Sure, those who are cutting-it-close can encounter some non-routine processing and elevated scrutiny, but their best insurance is to maintain a decent margin over the minimums, keep good records, and be honest, accurate, and complete when engaging with CBSA or IRCC. Not that complicated.

Note, in particular, that @primaprime is right that the CBSA travel history record of the entry will be correct. But now there may be a note added for emphasis since demanding the stamp in your passport, your effort to manufacture evidence, might have raised a red flag.

I do not mean to suggest that this instance is a big deal. Probably no big deal at all. But the approach you employed, the effort to manufacture evidence, risks more than what can be gained. Other than the actual facts, the impression Canadian officials have regarding YOUR CREDIBILITY is the biggest factor influencing how things go . . . in regards to RO compliance or qualifying for a grant of citizenship. If your behavior signals game-playing that risks inviting suspicions.

Hey @dpenabill
I have called the cbsa to ask if ammendment is possible and the officer after checking the system told me that he will put a note that says that my actual arrival date was on the 18th of November and that the stamp was put on the 15th. I asked him if that will be okay he said the guys who check for residency they check the system and this note will show up and it should clear any doubts. I don't know if it was right doing that now I am panicking
P.S. I am well within the obligation I have 4 years and one month left on my card and I have been absent for 11 months in total

 

[BOYX]

Hey @dpenabill
I have called the cbsa to ask if ammendment is possible and the officer after checking the system told me that he will put a note that says that my actual arrival date was on the 18th of November and that the stamp was put on the 15th. I asked him if that will be okay he said the guys who check for residency they check the system and this note will show up and it should clear any doubts. I don't know if it was right doing that now I am panicking
P.S. I am well within the obligation I have 4 years and one month left on my card and I have been absent for 11 months in total

You are overthinking it, I promise you. Just keep a sufficient number of buffer days (e.g I added 10 days buffer for each trip in addition to a base 30 day buffer) and you will be a-okay. And there is nothing wrong with your case either. It was totally fine before you informed them and is totally fine after you informed them. Nothing has changed.

I understand the feelings of anxiety. With the long delays in processing times, one starts to worry that everything about their case must be perfect. I believe your still have a while for your Citizenship application from your earlier posts. Try redirecting your energy on the important tasks you can do going forward in order to have a robust application:

- Make sure to file all your taxes. Read up on when you are required to file your taxes and when your filings are due.

- Keep outside travels at a minimum if possible. For example, I spent my first three years vacationing around Canada rather than abroad. I’ve been to Halifax, Montreal, Quebec City, and all around Ontario. My upcoming itinerary is based in B.C.

- Keep extensive travel records. Whenever I did travel outside, I made sure to save a copy of my tickets & made a photocopy of the stamps. I also have an excel sheet with all my travels.

- Translate any foreign stamps on your passport through an authorized translator. Translations do not expire therefore it never hurts to be proactive.

- Keep extensive records of your residency. Transcripts, Utility Bills, Lease agreements, Bank Statements, Credit Card Statements etc. These records may be overkill, but in the slim chance you get an RQ, it will help a lot.

Hope these help. Good luck!

 

[Maysashahin90]

You are overthinking it, I promise you. Just keep a sufficient number of buffer days (e.g I added 10 days buffer for each trip in addition to a base 30 day buffer) and you will be a-okay. And there is nothing wrong with your case either. It was totally fine before you informed them and is totally fine after you informed them. Nothing has changed.

I understand the feelings of anxiety. With the long delays in processing times, one starts to worry that everything about their case must be perfect. I believe your still have a while for your Citizenship application from your earlier posts. Try redirecting your energy on the important tasks you can do going forward in order to have a robust application:

- Make sure to file all your taxes. Read up on when you are required to file your taxes and when your filings are due.

- Keep outside travels at a minimum if possible. For example, I spent my first three years vacationing around Canada rather than abroad. I’ve been to Halifax, Montreal, Quebec City, and all around Ontario. My upcoming itinerary is based in B.C.

- Keep extensive travel records. Whenever I did travel outside, I made sure to save a copy of my tickets & made a photocopy of the stamps. I also have an excel sheet with all my travels.

- Translate any foreign stamps on your passport through an authorized translator. Translations do not expire therefore it never hurts to be proactive.

- Keep extensive records of your residency. Transcripts, Utility Bills, Lease agreements, Bank Statements, Credit Card Statements etc. These records may be overkill, but in the slim chance you get an RQ, it will help a lot.

Hope these help. Good luck!

Thank you for your post, yes I overthink a lot usually and I have been like this always.
I know it wasn't an issue but I tried amending it and now I fear that this note might indicate something negative.
I understand that's its my right to ask for a stamp but will cbsa officer wonder why I asked for it and why iam calling to ammend it??