Kiwi and German/Kiwi Skilled worker or Express Entry for eventual citizenship? VERY confused, please help

[alexct2020]

Very difficult to even get enough points for Express Entry. At your age either a job offer in LMIA that is also skilled would be needed or you would to go through the Entrepreneur route or Investment route.

Entrepreneur route has quite low minimums, but you cannot just open any type of business, has to be something special or very beneficial. Investment route there is a very high minimum wealth.

They do apparently like tech companies and things related to the climate for Entrepreneurship, perhaps your wife and you could combine the skills into a unique start-up?

I heard that there was an owner-operator route also for smaller business ideas but no idea whether this still exists and ever leads to PR or just temporary permission. I heard they are not too keen on it as it's not an official route, more of a loophole.

Some farmers are also able to migrate and some other provincial nominations exist for skilled labor (getting one of those would mean you can pretty much ignore what Express Entry says. you get something like 1200 points if you have a provincial nomination) if you can do one of those skills.

But all require you to already be doing that in New Zealand and have proven experience. E.g. you cannot just buy a farmhouse and learn the ropes as you go.

Have you considered Australia coming from NZ?

 

[MrBobDobalina]

No - There are no such web sites.

Yes - I think you are completely insane. But personal choice of course. I guess I can sort of see your perspective. Wekas try to steal my stuff each time I visit your wonderful country. Maybe you've finally had enough.

Haha you shouldnt go the South Island its cold and miserable and where the crazies live. The Americas cup starts in March next year, NZ defending it again after 2 decades of multiple countries buying NZ sailers and boat designers. They have finally won action in court to all race AGAIN in the same style of boats, but they are high peed hydrofoils I can see the racing from my bedroom window.

I just always wanted to be in Canada. just a dream. It seems Ive left it too late :_(. At least with the Mrs being German we can live in Europe, except for stinky in Englahd.

 

[scylla]

Thanks. So I added up our scores and even if we got perfect language we are just short at 470 points. I didnt know which test was applicable to be honest, but if I selected middle scores, we were well under at 370. It kept mentioning if we had done courses etc, of course that is impossible if we havnt lived there.

SO, it looks like its impossible to immigrate to Canada from NZ if you are 47 :-(. That really bums me out as I thought our combined education and work experience would count for a lot more than it does. It seems age is the most important thing.

LMIA jobs sound impossible, that would mean applying for every job and asking if they will sponsor you, which leaves you in a risky position if they terminate the job, then you have to leave immediately.

Age is unfortunately a big factor.

In terms of the LMIA, if your wife is in a highly specialized field, it may be possible. I don't think it will be possible for you - too many people in your field in Canada already looking for jobs. If your wife manages to get a job offer + LMIA, this will give her a closed work permit tied to that specific employer. You can then apply for a spousal open work permit based on her work permit. The spousal open work permit will allow you to work for any employer in Canada. If for some reason her job is terminated, she can remain in Canada and look for another job (she would need another LMIA) and you can remain and continue working on the open work permit for as long as it's valid. However the trick is still that one of you needs to secure the job offer + approved LMIA for all of this to be possible.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

Have you considered Australia coming from NZ?

I lived in Australia for 16 years Awesome place. Only one problem, it is full of Australians. Aussies are like Yanks but louder and even less courteous ;-p

 

[MrBobDobalina]

However the trick is still that one of you needs to secure the job offer + approved LMIA for all of this to be possible.

YEs this sounds very difficult. Are there any lizards in Canada? Well she can do any type of Fauna and Flora, she has posted many papers and is well known in the ecology community in NZ. And of late has been transferring how data is collected in the field to how NZ manages its databases of GIS based bio diversity data. there might be something in that.

I just design systems or manage the projects or both. So yeah prob no chance for me. Unless I studied one of these skills that are needed and had some experience doing it. Where is the list for these rare job types?

 

[scylla]

Haha you shouldnt go the South Island its cold and miserable and where the crazies live. The Americas cup starts in March next year, NZ defending it again after 2 decades of multiple countries buying NZ sailers and boat designers. They have finally won action in court to all race AGAIN in the same style of boats, but they are high peed hydrofoils I can see the racing from my bedroom window.

I just always wanted to be in Canada. just a dream. It seems Ive left it too late :_(. At least with the Mrs being German we can live in Europe, except for stinky in Englahd.

I have been to the South Island several times and love it. Apart from the sandflies which are absolutely horrific. Spectacular sea kayaking down there. Agreed there are some very unique people in the small towns there (we had a hilarious experience in Manapouri). My husband and I were supposed to be in NZ next year but I don't think there's any chance that is going to happen because of COVID. We have a friend with an island property near one of the Americas Cup locations and part of the plan was to watch the qualifiers from his place. Very cool you'll be able to see it.

Anyway, getting back to immigration, another potential option for your wife would be to look for a research job at a university if this is something she has done in the past. There are some jobs that are LMIA exempt, meaning she could get a work permit with a job offer only.

 

[scylla]

I lived in Australia for 16 years Awesome place. Only one problem, it is full of Australians. Aussies are like Yanks but louder and even less courteous ;-p

100% this.

 

[scylla]

YEs this sounds very difficult. Are there any lizards in Canada? Well she can do any type of Fauna and Flora, she has posted many papers and is well known in the ecology community in NZ. And of late has been transferring how data is collected in the field to how NZ manages its databases of GIS based bio diversity data. there might be something in that.

I just design systems or manage the projects or both. So yeah prob no chance for me. Unless I studied one of these skills that are needed and had some experience doing it. Where is the list for these rare job types?

See my post above. If your wife is a researcher and has published papers, she should look at research jobs with universities in Canada. These roles are LMIA exempt generally which means employers are much more likely to look at foreign candidates because no LMIA is required.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

You can get to good fishing from Toronto but have to be willing to drive a few hours. The Lake Nipissing region is amazing. I can't comment on hunting.

Sounds idyllic, makes me want to cry knowing our chances are near impossible :-(

 

[MrBobDobalina]

See my post above. If your wife is a researcher and has published papers, she should look at research jobs with universities in Canada. These roles are LMIA exempt generally which means employers are much more likely to look at foreign candidates because no LMIA is required.

She will have published or co authored 20+ papers, has done work for Universities before etc. So are you saying these are often exempt from LMIA? I wonder what Id search for to find them....

What about me, are there any other exempt jobs that I could train for just to get inside Canada? Is there a list?

Once we are in, we can always change what we are doing?

 

[scylla]

She will have published or co authored 20+ papers, has done work for Universities before etc. So are you saying these are often exempt from LMIA? I wonder what Id search for to find them....

What about me, are there any other exempt jobs that I could train for just to get inside Canada? Is there a list?

Once we are in, we can always change what we are doing?

If your wife can secure a research job with a Canadian university, that falls under an LMIA exemption. There is no central place to search for these to the best of my knowledge, She will need to determine which universities have departments in her field and then look at those university job boards (on their web sites) and likely also reach out to those departments directly (I don't know if all research jobs are posted).

I don't know what you mean by whether you can change what you are doing once you are in. Once you are a permanent resident, you can do whatever you want. While your wife is on the closed work permit, she is limited to working for that employer only.

LMIA exempt jobs are pretty limited and very specific. You can find the information here:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/foreign-workers/exemption-codes.html

 

[MrBobDobalina]

See my post above. If your wife is a researcher and has published papers, she should look at research jobs with universities in Canada. These roles are LMIA exempt generally which means employers are much more likely to look at foreign candidates because no LMIA is required.

And these are examples of careers exempt in BC. I was about to spend another year doing a Masters, but I could train to be a cabinet maker, Id enjoy that ! It is a shame I cannot come there to do the study and find a job.

https://www.itabc.ca/discover-apprenticeship-programs/search-programs

 

[alexct2020]

100% this.

Agree as well, just that both rank pretty high in quality of life. I traveled to both Australia and NZ as a solo backpacker and hands down prefer Kiwis. And Canadians over Americans lol.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

How do you get a PN nomination?

 

[MrBobDobalina]

LMIA exempt jobs are pretty limited and very specific. You can find the information here:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/foreign-workers/exemption-codes.html

I meant if the job finished, does she have time to stay in Canada to look for another similar role?