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PMM

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They don’t have to stick to their posted processing times, unfortunately. CIC does what they want, when they want and don’t seem to be accountable to anyone.
1. You realize that there is Pandemic? Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time.
 

canuck78

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They don’t have to stick to their posted processing times, unfortunately. CIC does what they want, when they want and don’t seem to be accountable to anyone.
processing times are always estimates when it comes to immigration. Depending on circumstances some are processed faster than others. Given that there Is minimal travelling going on at the moment and a valid PR card is not needed most of the time in Canada there was clearly a decision to stop processing PR cards for a while. Processing may not have been possible without putting employees health at risk. Immigration is not something that can easily been done from home so there will be significant delays. There was also resources needed to repatriate people who were abroad and to deal with the tens of thousands of emails various branches of immigration get daily. Like many things in Canada things are running slower of not at all. People need to relax. It’s all about perspective. You are waiting for a PR card and not cancer surgery that has been delayed due to covid.
 

My Opinion

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May 27, 2020
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1. You realize that there is Pandemic? Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time.
Yes, I DO realize we are in a pandemic. You don’t have to be so condescending. FYI - our application is going into its SECOND YEAR of processing. Other couples get to be together during this pandemic and I wonder if I will ever see my husband alive. None of us are guaranteed a tomorrow. We have been married 3 years and have only spent 8 weeks of our marriage together thanks to immigration so take a big slice of humble pie before you come at me with your attitude. See how patient you’ll be with this broken immigration system when YOU can’t see your spouse for YEARS!
 

dpenabill

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CIC does what they want, when they want and don’t seem to be accountable to anyone.
To be clear, Canada is a rule-of-law governed country, and in this regard it tends to be so to a higher and more consistent standard than all but a few countries in the world.

What IRCC does is governed by statutory laws, duly adopted regulations, and fair procedures as mandated by the Charter of Rights and implemented in the laws, regulations, rules, policies, and actual practices. There is an independent judiciary which will hold both IRCC and its Minister, and when appropriate individual government officials, accountable. There are rights of appeal. Opportunities to seek leave for judicial review. The courts will issue mandamus orders if and when a government official is shown to have failed to do what the law requires. Within the organization itself there are various avenues to seek redress. And ultimately IRCC, and its officers, are accountable to Parliament.

Even though I often complain about restricted access to information and certain practices, let's not be confused, as governments go, and even as big bureaucracies go, IRCC actually publishes a great deal of information about its policies and practices, and what it does generally adheres to fairly high standards, in terms of both just procedure and fair outcomes. Not perfectly of course. And subject to contingencies, like special circumstances.

Which leads us to what @PMM was expressing, a fair and very much on point observation that current processing times for PR card applications has, well, very LOW PRIORITY. And the reason is more than obvious. The Covid-19 pandemic versus no compelling need for a PR to have a PR card.

. . . our application is going into its SECOND YEAR of processing. Other couples get to be together during this pandemic and I wonder if I will ever see my husband alive. None of us are guaranteed a tomorrow. We have been married 3 years and have only spent 8 weeks of our marriage together thanks to immigration so take a big slice of humble pie before you come at me with your attitude. See how patient you’ll be with this broken immigration system when YOU can’t see your spouse for YEARS!
Not sure what "application" you are referring to. Not sure to what extent actions by the Canadian government have resulted in you and your partner's separation, let alone to what extent those actions were or were not consistent with the law, regulations, and otherwise pursuant to adopted policies and practices.

I know this much: it is not a delay in processing a PR card application to blame. PRs do not need a PR card to travel abroad. At all. Nor do PRs abroad need a PR card to travel to Canada. PRs abroad are entitled to a PR Travel Document which will enable them to travel to Canada. Of course they must meet the eligibility requisites.

I also know this much: there is widespread hardship throughout the world right now due to the impact of just the Covid-19 pandemic. And I recognize that immigrants are particularly among those more affected. And this is on top of the many, many difficulties and hurdles just the procedures attendant immigration involve, apart from and in addition to the logistical problems many immigrants struggle with. Borders have long separated love ones. Canada is among those countries with a specific policy to give spouses and children an opportunity to be united in Canada. Subject to the rules of course. Subject to the due process. As these things go, Canada tends to be about as fair as the better countries are, and the agency which administers this is very much accountable, both to the law and to principles of fair procedure. Sure, again, this is not done perfectly. Innocent individuals may be accused and actually imprisoned for crimes they did not commit. Stuff happens. But in Canada, in both the criminal justice system, and in the Canadian immigration system, justice largely prevails, as timely and fairly as can be expected during these times.
 
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To be clear, Canada is a rule-of-law governed country, and in this regard it tends to be so to a higher and more consistent standard than all but a few countries in the world.

What IRCC does is governed by statutory laws, duly adopted regulations, and fair procedures as mandated by the Charter of Rights and implemented in the laws, regulations, rules, policies, and actual practices. There is an independent judiciary which will hold both IRCC and its Minister, and when appropriate individual government officials, accountable. There are rights of appeal. Opportunities to seek leave for judicial review. The courts will issue mandamus orders if and when a government official is shown to have failed to do what the law requires. Within the organization itself there are various avenues to seek redress. And ultimately IRCC, and its officers, are accountable to Parliament.

Even though I often complain about restricted access to information and certain practices, let's not be confused, as governments go, and even as big bureaucracies go, IRCC actually publishes a great deal of information about its policies and practices, and what it does generally adheres to fairly high standards, in terms of both just procedure and fair outcomes. Not perfectly of course. And subject to contingencies, like special circumstances.

Which leads us to what @PMM was expressing, a fair and very much on point observation that current processing times for PR card applications has, well, very LOW PRIORITY. And the reason is more than obvious. The Covid-19 pandemic versus no compelling need for a PR to have a PR card.



Not sure what "application" you are referring to. Not sure to what extent actions by the Canadian government have resulted in you and your partner's separation, let alone to what extent those actions were or were not consistent with the law, regulations, and otherwise pursuant to adopted policies and practices.

I know this much: it is not a delay in processing a PR card application to blame. PRs do not need a PR card to travel abroad. At all. Nor do PRs abroad need a PR card to travel to Canada. PRs abroad are entitled to a PR Travel Document which will enable them to travel to Canada. Of course they must meet the eligibility requisites.

I also know this much: there is widespread hardship throughout the world right now due to the impact of just the Covid-19 pandemic. And I recognize that immigrants are particularly among those more affected. And this is on top of the many, many difficulties and hurdles just the procedures attendant immigration involve, apart from and in addition to the logistical problems many immigrants struggle with. Borders have long separated love ones. Canada is among those countries with a specific policy to give spouses and children an opportunity to be united in Canada. Subject to the rules of course. Subject to the due process. As these things go, Canada tends to be about as fair as the better countries are, and the agency which administers this is very much accountable, both to the law and to principles of fair procedure. Sure, again, this is not done perfectly. Innocent individuals may be accused and actually imprisoned for crimes they did not commit. Stuff happens. But in Canada, in both the criminal justice system, and in the Canadian immigration system, justice largely prevails, as timely and fairly as can be expected during these times.
How nice for you and others who get to enjoy their spouse’s company at the end of the day - over dinner, enjoying support and companionship, and spending time in person with your loved one. So hypocritical that the people processing our spousal applications get to enjoy these relationships with their loved ones during these uncertain times while some of us are at the mercy of a snail’s pace workload of these people while we live apart from our spouses - sometimes months or years (!!) at a time - during processing.

Furthermore, few travel visas are issued when open sponsorship applications are still being processed and we have been advised “not to even bother trying to obtain a travel visa because it will likely be denied and will be a waste of hour time and money.” Of course, I’m sure Canadian immigration would still LOVE us to spend the money even though likelihood of approval will be very low and will probably take more MONTHS where it will sit in the system without moving. Now - thanks to COVID - “non-essential” travel will not be permitted for border entry of those spouses even if they obtain a travel visa, so what’s the point of giving immigration more money?

We are not guaranteed another day on this planet at any time, which has been made obvious by the COVID outbreak - so how nice to be lectured by you while you support this broken spousal sponsorship immigration system in Canada and call processing of our applications “LOW priority!” Those comments are downright insulting while you have opportunity to snuggle your loved ones at night and enjoy their company even though the rest of us are stuck indefinitely in this archaic and notoriously slow and inefficient system. Maybe you should take time to take a big slice of humble pie and consider what it would be like to be without your spouse for an indeterminate amount time with NO answers from immigration as to when it’s staff will get around to issuing required documents to continue processing or to complete processing of the documents already submitted before you lecture us on priorities!
 

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To be clear, Canada is a rule-of-law governed country, and in this regard it tends to be so to a higher and more consistent standard than all but a few countries in the world.

What IRCC does is governed by statutory laws, duly adopted regulations, and fair procedures as mandated by the Charter of Rights and implemented in the laws, regulations, rules, policies, and actual practices. There is an independent judiciary which will hold both IRCC and its Minister, and when appropriate individual government officials, accountable. There are rights of appeal. Opportunities to seek leave for judicial review. The courts will issue mandamus orders if and when a government official is shown to have failed to do what the law requires. Within the organization itself there are various avenues to seek redress. And ultimately IRCC, and its officers, are accountable to Parliament.

Even though I often complain about restricted access to information and certain practices, let's not be confused, as governments go, and even as big bureaucracies go, IRCC actually publishes a great deal of information about its policies and practices, and what it does generally adheres to fairly high standards, in terms of both just procedure and fair outcomes. Not perfectly of course. And subject to contingencies, like special circumstances.

Which leads us to what @PMM was expressing, a fair and very much on point observation that current processing times for PR card applications has, well, very LOW PRIORITY. And the reason is more than obvious. The Covid-19 pandemic versus no compelling need for a PR to have a PR card.



Not sure what "application" you are referring to. Not sure to what extent actions by the Canadian government have resulted in you and your partner's separation, let alone to what extent those actions were or were not consistent with the law, regulations, and otherwise pursuant to adopted policies and practices.

I know this much: it is not a delay in processing a PR card application to blame. PRs do not need a PR card to travel abroad. At all. Nor do PRs abroad need a PR card to travel to Canada. PRs abroad are entitled to a PR Travel Document which will enable them to travel to Canada. Of course they must meet the eligibility requisites.

I also know this much: there is widespread hardship throughout the world right now due to the impact of just the Covid-19 pandemic. And I recognize that immigrants are particularly among those more affected. And this is on top of the many, many difficulties and hurdles just the procedures attendant immigration involve, apart from and in addition to the logistical problems many immigrants struggle with. Borders have long separated love ones. Canada is among those countries with a specific policy to give spouses and children an opportunity to be united in Canada. Subject to the rules of course. Subject to the due process. As these things go, Canada tends to be about as fair as the better countries are, and the agency which administers this is very much accountable, both to the law and to principles of fair procedure. Sure, again, this is not done perfectly. Innocent individuals may be accused and actually imprisoned for crimes they did not commit. Stuff happens. But in Canada, in both the criminal justice system, and in the Canadian immigration system, justice largely prevails, as timely and fairly as can be expected during these times.
Any example of a countries which are "NOT a rule-of-law governed country"?
 

dpenabill

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Any example of a countries which are "NOT a rule-of-law governed country"?
In theory or in actual practice? There are maybe thirty or fifty countries in which the rule of law governs in practice. More so in some than others. Better in some. Canada is among those in the top tier, and in particular is among those with multiple layers of access to redress for grievances.

There are many more countries in which the governments claim they are but, let's say, they fall short. Some by more than others.

But of course my observations about Canada being a rule of law governed country was not an exercise in comparative studies but was in response to the totally inaccurate suggestion that IRCC (CIC) does "what it wants" and does not "seem to be accountable to anyone." That is simply NOT the case.


How nice for you and others who get to enjoy their spouse’s company at the end of the day - over dinner, enjoying support and companionship, and spending time in person with your loved one. So hypocritical that the people processing our spousal applications get to enjoy these relationships with their loved ones during these uncertain times while some of us are at the mercy of a snail’s pace workload of these people while we live apart from our spouses - sometimes months or years (!!) at a time - during processing.

Furthermore, few travel visas are issued when open sponsorship applications are still being processed and we have been advised “not to even bother trying to obtain a travel visa because it will likely be denied and will be a waste of hour time and money.” Of course, I’m sure Canadian immigration would still LOVE us to spend the money even though likelihood of approval will be very low and will probably take more MONTHS where it will sit in the system without moving. Now - thanks to COVID - “non-essential” travel will not be permitted for border entry of those spouses even if they obtain a travel visa, so what’s the point of giving immigration more money?

We are not guaranteed another day on this planet at any time, which has been made obvious by the COVID outbreak - so how nice to be lectured by you while you support this broken spousal sponsorship immigration system in Canada and call processing of our applications “LOW priority!” Those comments are downright insulting while you have opportunity to snuggle your loved ones at night and enjoy their company even though the rest of us are stuck indefinitely in this archaic and notoriously slow and inefficient system. Maybe you should take time to take a big slice of humble pie and consider what it would be like to be without your spouse for an indeterminate amount time with NO answers from immigration as to when it’s staff will get around to issuing required documents to continue processing or to complete processing of the documents already submitted before you lecture us on priorities!
This topic is about PR card application processing. Whatever is keeping you and your spouse apart, it is NOT a delay in PR card processing.

I do not pretend to offer solutions to any and all problems immigrants encounter.

Having lost a spouse, I know all too well the pain and suffering of separation. For a lot longer than a mere indeterminate amount of time. For more than a few years. Try for the rest of your life and your child's life. So please do not shove your how nice for you but woe-is-me malarkey down my throat.

We all have our burdens to bear. Most of us are here to help.

I make a concerted effort to illuminate what I can, based on what we in the public can figure out, about how the system works and how to navigate it as well as one can. My observations are largely focused on citizenship application processing and matters related to PRs.

The Canadian immigration system works. Not perfectly. Suggestions it is arbitrary or capricious, or that IRCC is not accountable, are NOT accurate. Forum participants are entitled to honest, accurate information, not hyperbolic and unfounded criticisms.
 

My Opinion

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In theory or in actual practice? There are maybe thirty or fifty countries in which the rule of law governs in practice. More so in some than others. Better in some. Canada is among those in the top tier, and in particular is among those with multiple layers of access to redress for grievances.

There are many more countries in which the governments claim they are but, let's say, they fall short. Some by more than others.

But of course my observations about Canada being a rule of law governed country was not an exercise in comparative studies but was in response to the totally inaccurate suggestion that IRCC (CIC) does "what it wants" and does not "seem to be accountable to anyone." That is simply NOT the case.




This topic is about PR card application processing. Whatever is keeping you and your spouse apart, it is NOT a delay in PR card processing.

I do not pretend to offer solutions to any and all problems immigrants encounter.

Having lost a spouse, I know all too well the pain and suffering of separation. For a lot longer than a mere indeterminate amount of time. For more than a few years. Try for the rest of your life and your child's life. So please do not shove your how nice for you but woe-is-me malarkey down my throat.

We all have our burdens to bear. Most of us are here to help.

I make a concerted effort to illuminate what I can, based on what we in the public can figure out, about how the system works and how to navigate it as well as one can. My observations are largely focused on citizenship application processing and matters related to PRs.

The Canadian immigration system works. Not perfectly. Suggestions it is arbitrary or capricious, or that IRCC is not accountable, are NOT accurate. Forum participants are entitled to honest, accurate information, not hyperbolic and unfounded criticisms.
You are really entitled and condescending. It’s none of your business about the particulars of our spousal application and I AM on topic about PR processing times for outbound spousal sponsorships so there’s no need to project your personal opinions on me about what “might be going on with my application that is keeping my spouse and me apart” - FYI, the ONLY thing keeping us apart is slow moving immigration processes.

Even with COVID upon us, these immigration offices are located in spacious buildings and there’s no reason why staff can’t be working and maintaining physical distancing in these facilities. Clearly there is more than sufficient workload to get these people back to work or to assign tasks which can be done remotely.

As for your sob story of being widowed, I was widowed before I was 30 years old so this is why it’s so important for me to be with my spouse now. I can’t bear to go through the pain of widowhood again. You’re not only one who has lost a partner so don’t try match wits with me or you’ll be on the losing end of the arguement.

As far as IRCC, they can’t even locate my file right now! No one there has any answers as to why this is and there is less than open communication as to why they can’t locate it so that’s how I came to my conclusion that IRCC isn’t being open or honest with us! If you lost it, admit you lost it. Don’t try cover up incompetence by saying you can’t locate it and leave it at that! I have to be accountable to clients in my job and I couldn’t imagine the shit storm that would happen if I just shrugged my shoulders and said, “I can’t locate your file.” I suppose you would be the type of person who would make my life miserable in the case that you were affected in this way. Clearly, you have blind loyalty to the IRCC and it’s inept staff but they have lost my trust through their own dealings!
 

dpenabill

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You’re not only one who has lost a partner so don’t try match wits with me or you’ll be on the losing end of the arguement.
Let's be clear, I try to help. Whether my manner comes across condescending or otherwise, I try.

Whatever your problems are, I hope they get resolved and things improve soon.

BUT your accusation that IRCC does "what it wants" and does not "seem to be accountable to anyone" is simply WRONG, not at all in the ballpark of truth. It is misleading. There are good reasons for other forum participants to come to a site like this to obtain information, insight, illumination, something that might help them navigate the system better, perhaps even find ways to resolve problems they are having, or at the least be better able to understand what is happening. Sure, some come to whine. That's OK. Some sharing the pain can help. But just because things are off the rails in one individual's case does not justify misleadingly trashing the whole system, misleadingly discouraging others from pursuing resolution of their problems or finding help in a forum like this. For most issues there is a path toward resolution. Sure, the outcome will not always be favourable let alone happen on an individual's preferred timeline. But IRCC is bound by rules and largely follows those rules. IRCC is accountable. Litigating accountability is not always easy. It can be expensive. And as such processes tend to be throughout the world, in the best of places, yep, the process can take time. Especially during a global crisis.

As I said, the Canadian immigration system works. Not perfectly. Suggestions it is arbitrary or capricious, or that IRCC is not accountable, are NOT accurate. On the contrary, the vast, vast majority of IRCC clients can reasonably expect to be treated fairly, without discrimination, according to formally adopted and known rules. And if not, there are avenues for recourse. That is, accountability. Including multiple layers of review.

Which leads to recognizing the wide variety of immigration related issues, and noting that there are various venues within this site for discussing such issues, concerns, problems, procedures, depending on what aspect of immigration is involved. There are different conferences here where, respectively, information and insight and navigational aids are generously shared. I mostly focus on grant citizenship applications, typically the more complicated and litigated aspects of that, and on matters related to Permanent Residents maintaining PR status.

In any event, I do not intend to engage in argument. Or a tit-for-tat whining pity party. We all have our burdens to bear. If yours are heavier than mine, I am sorry that is the case; that said, I will acknowledge mine are heavy enough for me as is, and I think it is fair to protest they do not warrant snide remarks intending offense about how nice that is for me. The fact your burdens may be heavier than mine does not justify or excuse trying to bully me. Or anyone else here.

As @PMM aptly noted, those complaining about the current PR card application processing times should "realize that there is a Pandemic" and that "Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time." That tells the current tale about "PR Card Processing Times as per CIC website," which is the subject of this topic. Before mid-March, for a fairly long period of time the PR card application processing timeline, for most, had been less than two months, sometimes significantly less. It may be a long while before the processing time line gets back anywhere near that. An appropriate and fair response to those who challenge this is, again, they should "realize that there is a Pandemic" and that "Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time."

That is just how it is. It is NOT about a bureaucracy doing "what it wants" or not being accountable.

For your edification: A very small sample of instances, involving a variety of applications and issues, in which the IAD and Federal Court held IRCC accountable for falling short of requisite reasonableness or procedural fairness (including where matters are remanded due to the failure of the applicant's own lawyer to protect the procedural fairness of the process):

Federal Court decisions:

Ismail v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 647 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7xgg
Ouansa v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 632 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7zwv
An v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 606 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7qfv
Douglas v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2018 FC 770 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/htkmf
Leung v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2016 FC 41 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/gn0z5
Mclawrence v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2015 FC 867 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/gk8vv


IRB IAD decisions:

Yang v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 CanLII 24451 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j63m2
Ghotra v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2019 CanLII 129409 (CA IRB) http://canlii.ca/t/j54qm
Patel v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 CanLII 37238 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j80mk
X (Re), 2019 CanLII 136135 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j7wll

The above is a more or less random sample, a small sample. Simply illustrating that NO, IRCC can NOT do what it wants, and, rather, that IRCC is indeed ACCOUNTABLE . . . for, at the very least, the reasonableness of its decisions AND procedural fairness. While most protests to the contrary tend to be sour grapes, sure, the system is not perfect. Some injustice occurs. A lot of people, including many who contribute to this forum, make a concerted effort to minimize the injustices and amplify what works. Which is something I try to be a part of in my limited, far shy of perfect way.
 

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Let's be clear, I try to help. Whether my manner comes across condescending or otherwise, I try.

Whatever your problems are, I hope they get resolved and things improve soon.

BUT your accusation that IRCC does "what it wants" and does not "seem to be accountable to anyone" is simply WRONG, not at all in the ballpark of truth. It is misleading. There are good reasons for other forum participants to come to a site like this to obtain information, insight, illumination, something that might help them navigate the system better, perhaps even find ways to resolve problems they are having, or at the least be better able to understand what is happening. Sure, some come to whine. That's OK. Some sharing the pain can help. But just because things are off the rails in one individual's case does not justify misleadingly trashing the whole system, misleadingly discouraging others from pursuing resolution of their problems or finding help in a forum like this. For most issues there is a path toward resolution. Sure, the outcome will not always be favourable let alone happen on an individual's preferred timeline. But IRCC is bound by rules and largely follows those rules. IRCC is accountable. Litigating accountability is not always easy. It can be expensive. And as such processes tend to be throughout the world, in the best of places, yep, the process can take time. Especially during a global crisis.

As I said, the Canadian immigration system works. Not perfectly. Suggestions it is arbitrary or capricious, or that IRCC is not accountable, are NOT accurate. On the contrary, the vast, vast majority of IRCC clients can reasonably expect to be treated fairly, without discrimination, according to formally adopted and known rules. And if not, there are avenues for recourse. That is, accountability. Including multiple layers of review.

Which leads to recognizing the wide variety of immigration related issues, and noting that there are various venues within this site for discussing such issues, concerns, problems, procedures, depending on what aspect of immigration is involved. There are different conferences here where, respectively, information and insight and navigational aids are generously shared. I mostly focus on grant citizenship applications, typically the more complicated and litigated aspects of that, and on matters related to Permanent Residents maintaining PR status.

In any event, I do not intend to engage in argument. Or a tit-for-tat whining pity party. We all have our burdens to bear. If yours are heavier than mine, I am sorry that is the case; that said, I will acknowledge mine are heavy enough for me as is, and I think it is fair to protest they do not warrant snide remarks intending offense about how nice that is for me. The fact your burdens may be heavier than mine does not justify or excuse trying to bully me. Or anyone else here.

As @PMM aptly noted, those complaining about the current PR card application processing times should "realize that there is a Pandemic" and that "Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time." That tells the current tale about "PR Card Processing Times as per CIC website," which is the subject of this topic. Before mid-March, for a fairly long period of time the PR card application processing timeline, for most, had been less than two months, sometimes significantly less. It may be a long while before the processing time line gets back anywhere near that. An appropriate and fair response to those who challenge this is, again, they should "realize that there is a Pandemic" and that "Processing a PR card is not exactly an essential service at this time."

That is just how it is. It is NOT about a bureaucracy doing "what it wants" or not being accountable.

For your edification: A very small sample of instances, involving a variety of applications and issues, in which the IAD and Federal Court held IRCC accountable for falling short of requisite reasonableness or procedural fairness (including where matters are remanded due to the failure of the applicant's own lawyer to protect the procedural fairness of the process):

Federal Court decisions:

Ismail v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 647 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7xgg
Ouansa v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 632 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7zwv
An v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 FC 606 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/j7qfv
Douglas v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2018 FC 770 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/htkmf
Leung v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2016 FC 41 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/gn0z5
Mclawrence v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2015 FC 867 (CanLII), http://canlii.ca/t/gk8vv


IRB IAD decisions:

Yang v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 CanLII 24451 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j63m2
Ghotra v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2019 CanLII 129409 (CA IRB) http://canlii.ca/t/j54qm
Patel v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2020 CanLII 37238 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j80mk
X (Re), 2019 CanLII 136135 (CA IRB), http://canlii.ca/t/j7wll

The above is a more or less random sample, a small sample. Simply illustrating that NO, IRCC can NOT do what it wants, and, rather, that IRCC is indeed ACCOUNTABLE . . . for, at the very least, the reasonableness of its decisions AND procedural fairness. While most protests to the contrary tend to be sour grapes, sure, the system is not perfect. Some injustice occurs. A lot of people, including many who contribute to this forum, make a concerted effort to minimize the injustices and amplify what works. Which is something I try to be a part of in my limited, far shy of perfect way.
Gawd you’re a blow hard. You sound like a retired man with nothing more to do than to hear yourself talk. I’ve said my piece and don’t need to deal with people like you who are fan boys of this clearly broken system. I can’t wait for my husband to be here so I never have to deal with immigration again. I’m done.
As for you, have a nice day and try to not be an unapologetic ass your remaining days on earth. It’s annoying and uncalled for even when you realize how you come across.
 

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Gawd you’re a blow hard. You sound like a retired man with nothing more to do than to hear yourself talk. I’ve said my piece and don’t need to deal with people like you who are fan boys of this clearly broken system. I can’t wait for my husband to be here so I never have to deal with immigration again. I’m done.
As for you, have a nice day and try to not be an unapologetic ass your remaining days on earth. It’s annoying and uncalled for even when you realize how you come across.
Wishing you well, and hope you and your husband are reunited soon. I'm also waiting since sending in a PR renewal application in February. Fortunate that it is not impacting our family severely, but empathize with your situation.

The pandemic is being offered as the reason for these delays. That was acceptable for a few weeks, perhaps even a couple of months. As tax payers, at some point we are entitled to question these delays. And yes, we are also entitled to vent our frustration. The whole world of white collar work is getting done from home, and in plenty of instances productivity has gone UP. For IRCC not to have appropriate business continuity plans in 2020 is shocking and callous.
 

amrelroby

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PR Card renewal is now 299 days..!!!
CIC is the gift that keeps on giving. Increasing the processing time from 27 days to 299 days after four months from the beginning of the COVID situation shows that they are not adapting to the situation, they are going from bad to worse.
They do not even issue file numbers or send an acknowledgment to know if your application is complete and is received.
They process these cards in Nova Scotia which is the least affected part of Canada by COVID.
 

Kanedaa

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LANDED..........
08-27-2015
CIC is the gift that keeps on giving. Increasing the processing time from 27 days to 299 days after four months from the beginning of the COVID situation shows that they are not adapting to the situation, they are going from bad to worse.
They do not even issue file numbers or send an acknowledgment to know if your application is complete and is received.
They process these cards in Nova Scotia which is the least affected part of Canada by COVID.
They are federal government workers & least bother about productivity. Had it been a private organization things would have been a lot better.