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legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
@legalfalcon

Hey guys I have a question regarding POF.
The bank letter says that I have enough funds as per the requirement ( which is 23,181 CAD ) for 4 members. But the average of last six months is less than the required amount . I collected this letter from the bank in the month of feb 2019 before submitting my application ( AOR feb 11 ) .Since November I have been maintaining the required amount in my account. So my question is
1. Should I raise a webform and submit last 6 months statements
2. Or get a revised POF with the a recalculated average balance .
3. Or leave everything as it is . ?
Everything is looked at the day you submit your application. So you have to meet the requirements, including the 6 months average on the date your application was filed. The 6 months average is requirement to make sure that the funds are not borrowed.

If you do not meet the 6 months average, then submitting the 6 months statement will be helpful.
 
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legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Does having EPF as a part of PoF usually trigger 'review required'? Seeing a few cases going that way. @legalfalcon please help in giving some clarit regarding this. Also, are review required cases still processed within in the 6-month timeline?
I wrote a post on RR, reposting it here:

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
 

Tshafi

Full Member
Mar 12, 2019
25
2
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@legalfalcon

Hey guys I have a question regarding POF.
The bank letter says that I have enough funds as per the requirement ( which is 23,181 CAD ) for 4 members. But the average of last six months is less than the required amount . I collected this letter from the bank in the month of feb 2019 before submitting my application ( AOR feb 11 ) .Since November I have been maintaining the required amount in my account. So my question is
1. Should I raise a webform and submit last 6 months statements
2. Or get a revised POF with the a recalculated average balance .
3. Or leave everything as it is . ?
I have a similar situation..
Just a question for you if you may answer, did you provide any proofs regarding source of funds or any LoE for that along with your application? Or just 6 months bank statement?
 

Tshafi

Full Member
Mar 12, 2019
25
2
I wrote a post on RR, reposting it here:

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
@legalfalcon
Such a comprehensive post i mist thank you for..
I would appreciate if you could help me with a little anxiety.
Its regarding PoF. My statement that i provided does meet the requirement but most part of ot was gathered during the last 4 months before submitting the application on feb 19. Although there was not any transaction of a huge amount, just a few ranging worth of 200-400CAD. All the funds genuinely belong to me and my spouse, mostly was transaction from my spouse's accounts and fixed deposit certificates that we withdre money from and deposited all in ky account. yet i did not provide any explanation regarding sources of the funds, just because i did not know i should.
Could you please tell how much of a big trouble i might be in?
Also, i did receive an ADR 50 days after AOR but it was just a background declaration. And now its been 95 days since AOR, no updates.
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
Anyone with NOC 0213?

How is the application process?
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
You are only seeing the small number whose applications are moving. You are not seeing the thousands who are stuck with no updates whatsoever.

Looks can be deceiving.
Very deceiving .... My AOR is Feb 11th and no BIL yet. This is 59 days after MEP.
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
I wrote a post on RR, reposting it here:

Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
Thanks a great deal for this.
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
@legalfalcon good day.

Do you have any idea on the reason usually attached to delayed BIL?

My AOR is Feb 11 and received MEP on Mar 28. But till then no update on BIL.

Thanks in anticipation.
 

Dhabaan

Hero Member
May 1, 2016
320
85
@legalfalcon Any idea why the GCMS note has not been received? it was ordered on April 9th, till now nothing, even i sent them an email with the tracking number. Appreciate your input..
 

p-v

Member
Apr 12, 2019
14
7
Same Case...as urs
CEC - inland with outland dependent
AOR 6th FEB 2019
MEP - 21st March 2019
BIL - 21st March - Only for Dependent as Dependent is outside Canada and Primary applicant being inside is an exempt....
Hi do you got any update on your application after BIL
 

nns14

Champion Member
Feb 10, 2018
1,438
888
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Nairobi, Kenya
NOC Code......
2147
App. Filed.......
26-09-2019
AOR Received.
26-09-2019
File Transfer...
24-10-2019
Passport Req..
18-Jul-2022
VISA ISSUED...
05-Aug-2022
LANDED..........
11-Jan-2023
Very deceiving .... My AOR is Feb 11th and no BIL yet. This is 59 days after MEP.
I am also in the same situation. Feb 27 AOR. No BIL yet despite MEP 12th April. It has been 44 days since MEP. I called them twice and once sent CSE. They are saying everything is in order with the application, and the visa office will request BIL when they want.

I just ordered GCMS notes so let's see. Hopefully I receive BIL way before the notes.
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
I am also in the same situation. Feb 27 AOR. No BIL yet despite MEP 12th April. It has been 44 days since MEP. I called them twice and once sent CSE. They are saying everything is in order with the application, and the visa office will request BIL when they want.

I just ordered GCMS notes so let's see. Hopefully I receive BIL way before the notes.
That was the same response they gave me when i raised CSE that "saying everything is in order with the application, and the visa office will request BIL when they want.''
 

walepiper

Full Member
Apr 13, 2017
24
12
Nigeria
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
11-02-2019
Med's Request
28-03-2019
I am also in the same situation. Feb 27 AOR. No BIL yet despite MEP 12th April. It has been 44 days since MEP. I called them twice and once sent CSE. They are saying everything is in order with the application, and the visa office will request BIL when they want.

I just ordered GCMS notes so let's see. Hopefully I receive BIL way before the notes.
I have ordered GCMS notes too. I ordered on the 7th of May. I hope BIL drops soon.
 
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lk231188

Star Member
May 5, 2018
108
25
No. Leave everything as it is. There is no such requirement as average balance. I have seen colleagues with fresh funds getting pr
Hey thanks , even I have a couple of friends who got their PR without having to maintain 6 month’s balance but a lot of people are saying it is to be on safer side to let The visa office know about your source of funds .
 

lk231188

Star Member
May 5, 2018
108
25
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I have a similar situation..
Just a question for you if you may answer, did you provide any proofs regarding source of funds or any LoE for that along with your application? Or just 6 months bank statement?
Hey. The problem is I haven’t gave any explanation is LOE because I thought there is no requirement to maintain 6 months average balance. I just submitted bank letter. Anyways I am planning to raise a webform and submit summary of 6 mo the and may be explain about the couple of big transactions where I transferred money from my other account.