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Landing Experience in YYZ Toronto Pearson Intl - April 2019

Peacekeeper87

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Hi all.

I wanted to take a few minutes to outline my smooth landing experience at Toronto Pearson Intl Airport a few days ago. I will be outlining the experience in as much detail as possible to get a clear picture of how it goes. It may be a bit too long so I might put it in different posts. This is specific to landing in Toronto, so your future experience may be different if you're landing in a different airport. The structure of the process will be the same though.

Landing at Toronto Pearson - Kiosk Machines

Firstly, you need to know that Canada and the US have removed the paper-based declaration card, progressively replaced by electronic declaration kiosks upon arrival. At least that’s the case for most major Canadian airports at international terminals.

We landed at Toronto Pearson on an early morning blue sky at Terminal 3. We walked towards the passport control area where there are a whole bunch of clearly new declaration kiosk machines, at least when compared to those old and clunky ones at JFK Terminal 1 Arrivals where we flew from. You scan your passport, and follow the steps outlined on the screen. Pretty basic and straight forward. The questions are mostly the same as the ones on the traditional paper declaration card, with some minor alterations. The first major change you’ll see is when answering the question “What is the purpose of your visit”. On the old traditional paper based declaration card (https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/e311-eng.pdf), you’d only have the option between Study, Personal, and Business. Now, in addition to these 3 options, now there is the option “Immigrate”. Obviously this is the one you’ll have to pick to complete your landing. The second major difference is that you will not be asked to provide an address in Canada in the declaration form, to the relief of many applicants, not knowing where they will actually be when arriving in Canada. By the end of the declaration, be careful not to skim read or skip the important questions like if you’re carrying more than 10,000 CA$ with you, and more importantly, do you have any unaccompanied goods. If you have any Goods to Follow, you’ll have to answer YES to this question. At the end of the declaration, you’ll be asked to position yourself for a photo, and the kiosk will move up and down to adjust to your height. You’ll then be asked if there are any other members travelling with you. Repeat same process for that person. Upon completion of everyone’s declaration, move up to the line for passport control with your printed declaration receipt.

Passport Control & Landing

When you arrive at the passport control counter with the 1st immigration agent, he/she will immediately see that you’re here to complete your landing procedure based on the “IM” clearly marked on your receipt. He/she will put a big “X” on your declaration card with a color marker. Not sure what that’s for, but I assume it’s just to show you’ve been through the first step. Agent will direct you to a second office, where everyone who needs to complete some formalities have to go through it, namely students, new immigrants, and work permit holders. There were just 1 person before us and we were called after less than a minute. The agent was very kind and courteous through the whole process, and asked to see our passports and Confirmations of Permanent Residence. Started out with the primary applicant, did his thing on the computer, shared some pleasantries and small talk, and talked about how Canada is a great country to raise a family. He asked how much money we’re carrying with us at that time, but didn’t ask to see it at all, or ask for bank statements whatsoever. I was prepared however, and had them under my hand if need be. He wanted an address for the delivery of PR Card. He kindly advised that it’s better to wait until we had a final address and provide it online, but we needed it asap, as we were leaving Canada soon after. So we just told him this is where we’re going to be until everything is settled down. Even if we might leave Canada in-between, we said we’re going back to that particular address. Gave a friend’s address and said no problem.

I was ready to provide photos for the PR Card, but apparently, that has changed as well. They just use the photo from the CoPR. He said no I don't need those.

Before confirming my PR, he asked the two basic questions outlined on the CoPR, namely “Have you been denied entry to Canada before or convicted of a crime”, and “Other than the dependents written here, are there any other dependents”. Ideally, both these questions should be answered truthfully by “No”. He signed the CoPR and asked to sign initials near Marital Status, and near the “No” for each of the two questions he asked. Processing was done for me in less than 5mn, and moved on to processing spouse. When it was done, he warmly congratulated us on becoming Permanent Residents of Canada, and reminded us on the residency obligations. He reminded us that we should religiously conserve our CoPRs, as that’s our only proof of PR status until PR Card arrives, and they ask for it when applying for Citizenship. At the end, he asked if we had any goods to follow, and asked to see our forms.

Goods Declaration

We had a lot of stuff in there so it took some more time. For us it was like 20mn, but if you don’t have any, obviously you’ll skip it. We had 5 pages worth of goods in the B186-A form, and quite some jewellery. This is a very important part, and you need to read this carefully.

There is some misinformation circulating online about how to fill in the forms, and this is confirmed by the agent who processed us. Some applicants (including myself) were lead to believe that the B186 form is for goods imported at time of landing, and the B186-A form is for goods to follow. Word of warning, both of them are for Goods to Follow. There is no such form for goods imported at time of landing. For goods imported at time of landing, they just base their judgement on your declaration receipt. B186 is the main form with just 8 lines in it. If you have just 8 items, so be it, just fill in those 8 lines. If you have more, you use the extension to form B186, which is form B186-A, and continue your listing.

We had our goods imported at time of landing written on form B186, so he disregarded it, and took a new one and just wrote “See attached list”, and stamped that one. No big deal at all, but it’s good info to know.

Also, you need to have photos of each and every piece of jewellery, and I can tell you he went over them very thoroughly, by comparing the item description to the actual photo. Took him a few minutes. If you don’t, they won’t accept it. The agent really appreciated that we also took photos of any items that was either hard to understand based solely on the item description, like custom made/traditional dresses like Saris or Caftans, designer shoes, home furniture, and pretty much any expensive item. Told me “Thanks for such well made items declaration”. Indeed, other than the fact that my original B186 was useless, everything else was very thorough. He stamped every page (forms and photos), made a copy of the forms, took a copy of photo pages, and printed out a duty slip with total value of 0 CA$. You absolutely need it to import any item listed. You don’t have to import everything at the same time, and customs agent will cross out the items as they come into Canada.

We were all set after a total of around 30mn tops! As we arrived on a Sunday, the adjacent Service Canada office was closed (We knew that), and just proceeded to grab our luggage, and out to meet our friends (PR themselves) who came to meet us! It was such a wonderful moment!

We didn’t do anything remotely related to our application that day, and just took a day to breath in our newly acquired PR status. I can tell you it was a relieving moment, and hope you’ll all get to experience it.

Service Canada - Social Insurance Number (SIN)

As you probably already know, you’re just a breathing carcass in Canada if you don’t have a SIN. You literally cannot do anything without. So if you’re landing on a weekday during Service Canada working hours at the airport, that’s cool, as you’ll probably be directed to their office right after you become PR. We landed on a Sunday, so we just went to our nearest Service Canada the next day. There was a bit of a line, but not a huge problem. There was a seating area and it was quite smooth and efficient. We were called after 20mn which was alright. I’m used to chaos and flea-market like administrative offices, so it was a breeze for us. Gave our passports, CoPR, Phone number, address. She punched it all in, printed out our SIN on a regular paper, and we were on our way after 5mn. I asked if we should come back for a SIN card, and she said SIN cards are a thing of the past since 5 years now. They don’t do it anymore.
 
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Bank Account - TD BANK

For our banking, we based our decision on two main things. What banks have the best packages for new immigrants (Credit Card to build history + Possibility of car and house loan), and we needed to at least leave the bank with a debit card. We didn’t want to have all of our cash somewhere, with no way to access it. Scotiabank, TD, Desjardins were the only ones (at least in our area) who were good candidates. RBC had a good package for immigrants, but no debit card. They just give a temporary ATM card valid for 30 days, and you can’t even make payments with it. Our friends genuinely advised TD as they had a great experience with them, so we chose to follow their advice. Of course, see what works for you, but I can tell that for now, I think we did well. The only downside for some maybe their close to inexistent presence in Quebec. Not an issue for us at all though...

We just walked in to the counter, no appointment, said we were here to open a bank account as new immigrants. We waited for 30 seconds, and and advisor walked us to their office. She welcomed us to Canada. She was very kind and took the greatest time in outlining all the pros and cons of everything.

She took our CoPR, Passports, and SIN, and entered all the info. Normally you do need a proof of address, but accepted our temporary address for now. We'll update it once it's final. We were each automatically approved for an unsecured 1000$ credit card, and can wire in money as much as we want without any hiccups, or deposit cash in any exchangeable currency. We asked about loan possibilities for new immigrants, and said we qualify for a home and car loan for rates very similar to someone in Canada with very good credit score. We’ll just need to wait till we get jobs in Canada of course. Gave us our debit cards, deposited cash, and we’re on our way after an hour. Was a very pleasant experience. Did I mention TD is open 7 days a week?…. Yes, Monday through Sunday!

Service Ontario - Healthcare

We couldn’t do this one, as we don’t have a permanent address yet. We’ll need to provide a proof of address in Ontario, and become eligible for healthcare after 3 months of living there.

About the Transit System in GTA

I’m used to the sub standard transit system of the United States, a country built around the assumption that everyone has a car, and always thought that France and Japan had the best transit system, on the opposite side of the spectrum, where having a car is considered a bad decision.

The Toronto Area has some of the best transit system I’ve seen so far. I mean considering how spread out everything is, we really didn’t find any problem getting around the area. The only issue we had was to get a PRESTO card, as you need to go to a subway station or a shopper drug mart to get one. Wasn’t easy in Mississauga, but had no problem once we got to Toronto. (Took an UberPool to get there). Once we had the PRESTO card, it was a breeze. Buses and trains go everywhere around the Toronto Area, and the directions are well marked, and google maps is completely up to date and accurate with timings. I don’t see anyone living around the area having problems to commute.


There you go, I hope I wasn't too long. Ping if you got any questions.
 
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Thanks for the detailed write-up and congratulations!
 

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Excellent posts. One question, if one is traveling with all of the jewelry owned at the time of landing, are pictures still required?
 

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Bank Account - TD BANK

For our banking, we based our decision on two main things. What banks have the best packages for new immigrants (Credit Card to build history + Possibility of car and house loan), and we needed to at least leave the bank with a debit card. We didn’t want to have all of our cash somewhere, with no way to access it. Scotiabank, TD, Desjardins were the only ones (at least in our area) who were good candidates. RBC had a good package for immigrants, but no debit card. They just give a temporary ATM card valid for 30 days, and you can’t even make payments with it. Our friends genuinely advised TD as they had a great experience with them, so we chose to follow their advice. Of course, see what works for you, but I can tell that for now, I think we did well. The only downside for some maybe their close to inexistent presence in Quebec. Not an issue for us at all though...

We just walked in to the counter, no appointment, said we were here to open a bank account as new immigrants. We waited for 30 seconds, and and advisor walked us to their office. She welcomed us to Canada. She was very kind and took the greatest time in outlining all the pros and cons of everything.

She took our CoPR, Passports, and SIN, and entered all the info. Normally you do need a proof of address, but accepted our temporary address for now. We'll update it once it's final. We were each automatically approved for an unsecured 1000$ credit card, and can wire in money as much as we want without any hiccups, or deposit cash in any exchangeable currency. We asked about loan possibilities for new immigrants, and said we qualify for a home and car loan for rates very similar to someone in Canada with very good credit score. We’ll just need to wait till we get jobs in Canada of course. Gave us our debit cards, deposited cash, and we’re on our way after an hour. Was a very pleasant experience. Did I mention TD is open 7 days a week?…. Yes, Monday through Sunday!

Service Ontario - Healthcare

We couldn’t do this one, as we don’t have a permanent address yet. We’ll need to provide a proof of address in Ontario, and become eligible for healthcare after 3 months of living there.

About the Transit System in GTA

I’m used to the sub standard transit system of the United States, a country built around the assumption that everyone has a car, and always thought that France and Japan had the best transit system, on the opposite side of the spectrum, where having a car is considered a bad decision.

The Toronto Area has some of the best transit system I’ve seen so far. I mean considering how spread out everything is, we really didn’t find any problem getting around the area. The only issue we had was to get a PRESTO card, as you need to go to a subway station or a shopper drug mart to get one. Wasn’t easy in Mississauga, but had no problem once we got to Toronto. (Took an UberPool to get there). Once we had the PRESTO card, it was a breeze. Buses and trains go everywhere around the Toronto Area, and the directions are well marked, and google maps is completely up to date and accurate with timings. I don’t see anyone living around the area having problems to commute.


There you go, I hope I wasn't too long. Ping if you got any questions.
TD was giving $500 for new accounts, you did not get it? Scotiabank is giving $300 as well.
 

Peacekeeper87

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TD was giving $500 for new accounts, you did not get it? Scotiabank is giving $300 as well.
That was a temporary offer. Wasn't there anymore when we got there.
We got no fee banking for 1 year, no annual fee credit card for 1 year, and 35 000 reward points on the credit card as bonus worth 120$. Plus pre-qualify for car and house loan.
 
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Hi! Could you explain this a bit more please? I don't think I completely grasped it. I only own 2 pieces of jewelry, a chain and a bracelet. I always have them on me. I would need pictures of these even if I'm landing with them on me? and put them where? is there an official form for goods to bring with you when landing?
 

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Hi! Could you explain this a bit more please? I don't think I completely grasped it. I only own 2 pieces of jewelry, a chain and a bracelet. I always have them on me. I would need pictures of these even if I'm landing with them on me? and put them where? is there an official form for goods to bring with you when landing?
Even if you're carrying them with you, include them in the list in form B186 or B186A. If they end up in B186-A, make sure to mention them as not "To Follow", by ticking the box "No" in the line "Additional List of Goods" in form B186. Attach photos to the form.
 
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Peacekeeper87

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Customs is not concerned with two pieces of jewelry that you wear. They are concerned with gold bars or a cache of precious stones that you plan on importing. Save your time and effort as customs is not concerned with that.
I don't know where you got that info.
All kinds of jewellery, whether its processed or non-processed precious metals and stones, rough or set on jewellery, needs to be accounted for.
They will carefully review every photo along with its description.
I had a photo of two small earrings that were not clearly identifiable based solely on the description, and the agent hesitated for a minute before giving it the green light.
 

Peacekeeper87

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The agent hesitated because he/she was saying in their head. "Are you kidding me? Really two small earrings? Wow. Oh well." Again no custom agency in the world is concerned about two small earrings. They are only concerned about a substantial amount of jewelry like gold bars etc. @eiden03 save your time effort by documenting other things that would peak the interest of custom officers. Certainly not your chain around your neck or a bracelet on your wrist.
Doing what you're suggesting is what's called wishful thinking.

Yes they were small earrings, but they were gold earrings set with one diamond each. He was trying to see if the photo matched the description. Regardless of its size, it's gold and diamond, and that's what they mean by jewellery. Do you think they just eyeball it and say "Nah It's okay, it's small anyway" just by looking at the size?...

Their instructions clearly state jewellery, and should know that gold bars is not jewellery. Pure 24K Gold is gold... Although yes of course it should be declared because it's gold, if pure gold is what you're really carrying for some reason.
Jewellery however is processed and it's precious/fine metal that underwent a transformation process, adding value to it in the process.
Everyone walks up to customs during landing ready with their jewellery photos which always get scrutinized, (I had 4 pages of jewellery photos and he went over them very thoroughly), and here you are the only one saying it's not needed.

Quite the confidence there. Kudos.
 
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Peacekeeper87

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You broke the monotony for him/her that day hence the reason for scrutinizing your four pages of jewelry photos. So every time you come into Canada wearing a different piece of jewelry you will have an appointment with the same agent for him/her to call from memory your declaration of your jewelry pieces from your initial landing just to see what new pieces you might have added to your collection. Again the Border agents don't care about your personal jewelry items. Making jewelry out of gold actually diminishes the value. What you pay for a piece of jewelry is never worth its weight, you always pay higher than the spot sometimes way higher. If you were to sell your jewelry you don't get paid for the workmanship or taxes you paid if any. You only get paid by the weight. Thats it.
CBSA is bored, now it does make much more sense why they focus on jewellery :)

I'm not sure if you already did your landing, but every time you bring stuff and want to waive off duty, a CBSA agent (No, not the same...) will cross out the imported items as they come in, including jewellery. No, he won't have to recall from memory, because you'll be carrying all stamped documents at that time. I'm not sure you know how it works.

About gold. I have to answer, being in the industry myself. You're confusing way too many elements.
Added value plus Metal doesn't mean how much you can get for it if resold. It's how much value you'll be charged after transformation, resulting in retail value.

If transformation diminished the value of the metal simply by putting in some craftsmanship, jewelers would've gone bankrupt a long time ago. Value of gold is set by stock-market fluctuations, and it's the items around it that vary.

When you buy a piece of jewellery at your retail store, price will be based on metal weight plus transformation/craftsmanship (among other intangible things). That's why it doesn't seem worth its weight of course! You're not going to get a gold bargain at Cartier...

And surely, you won't be able to sell it for profit at your local gold buyer as he will just weigh the metal, because he'll just melt it anyways to re-sell the metal at market price. But that's not retail value. That's just metal market price! He wants nothing to do with a Boucheron ring sitting in his drawer.

Also don't forget there is a substantial difference between 24K and 18K gold. Most jewellery pieces will be made in 18K (75/1000e) gold, and will of course yield a lower price when weighed and compared to an identical weight in 24K. It even depends on what kind of mixture it is!

Anywho, @eiden03 is free to follow your suggestions, or follow instructions outlined by CBSA.
 

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A little bump, to confirm that PR Card processing upon landing don't require photos anymore. They simply use photos attached to the CoPR they take from you.
As described in first post, agent who processed us said it's not necessary anymore. I was a bit skeptical at first, but he was right. Our PR Cards just got approved and sent out in the mail.

Plus, PR Card take even less time now. 13 days as of April 28!
Did our landing on April 28th, and it was approved this morning May 9th.
 
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