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Mns77

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Sep 5, 2011
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Hello,
So I sent my application for citizenship on Dec/ 2017, done my test and interview on June/ 2018 and was told everything looks good and was asked to submit a translation of passport stamps. Yesterday I received a letter asking me to submit a PCC from the country I used to live in , although , I didn't spend 183 days in that country in the 4 years preceding the date of my application. Actually when I was planning to submit my application, I waited few days to make sure I stayed less than 183 days. Today I checked with the embassy of the previous country, they said PCC will need up to 6 months to be completed. Not sure if someone has similar situation or there could be any way to avoid sending the PCC.
Thank you in advance
 

EstherBarros

Hero Member
Aug 18, 2014
616
143
BC- Canada
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
17-11-2014
Doc's Request.
02-07-2015
AOR Received.
03-02-2015
File Transfer...
14-02-2015
Med's Done....
23-09-2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
07-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
19-08-2015
LANDED..........
22-08-2015
Hello,
So I sent my application for citizenship on Dec/ 2017, done my test and interview on June/ 2018 and was told everything looks good and was asked to submit a translation of passport stamps. Yesterday I received a letter asking me to submit a PCC from the country I used to live in , although , I didn't spend 183 days in that country in the 4 years preceding the date of my application. Actually when I was planning to submit my application, I waited few days to make sure I stayed less than 183 days. Today I checked with the embassy of the previous country, they said PCC will need up to 6 months to be completed. Not sure if someone has similar situation or there could be any way to avoid sending the PCC.
Thank you in advance
It doesn't matter that you were there for less than 183 days. They requested this for a reason, so you have to provide it. I don't see a point in trying not to, given they'll most likely just withhold the application until you finally send in the report they are asking for.
 

Mns77

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Sep 5, 2011
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Thanks for the reply, actually the letter I received says I need to submit PCC as I spent more than 183 days in the 4 years preceding the application date in that country, which I didn't do. My concern is that it will take few months to get this PCC done and I don't think there is a reason for that request as I was told nothing during the interview after the test.
 

Mns77

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Sep 5, 2011
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It's kind of obvious that they asked for it. They can clearly see you waited few days just to avoid PCC from that country. In fact that should be more alarming than anyone who didn't tweak or wait to submit application to avoid PCC.
That could be but if it is more alarming than anyone, why they didn't request that during the last 10 months since I sent my application on December of last year at the time all my timelines were clear and didn't have any questions in the interview
 

EstherBarros

Hero Member
Aug 18, 2014
616
143
BC- Canada
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
17-11-2014
Doc's Request.
02-07-2015
AOR Received.
03-02-2015
File Transfer...
14-02-2015
Med's Done....
23-09-2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
07-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
19-08-2015
LANDED..........
22-08-2015
That's up to their discretion, I don't think there's a point in conjecturing. Fact is: they want the document.
 

Mns77

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Sep 5, 2011
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That's up to their discretion, I don't think there's a point in conjecturing. Fact is: they want the document.
So I think the only way now is to start in the process of applying for PCC, my other concern is , the letter I received says I have to submit the document within 30 days which I don't think it will be possible
 

EstherBarros

Hero Member
Aug 18, 2014
616
143
BC- Canada
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
17-11-2014
Doc's Request.
02-07-2015
AOR Received.
03-02-2015
File Transfer...
14-02-2015
Med's Done....
23-09-2014
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
07-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
19-08-2015
LANDED..........
22-08-2015
So I think the only way now is to start in the process of applying for PCC, my other concern is , the letter I received says I have to submit the document within 30 days which I don't think it will be possible
Simply write a letter to them saying you got the request, and you have requested the appropriate document, but it will take X amount of time, and you will submit that to them as soon as you have it. That happens all the time and it is completely understandable!
 

Mns77

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Sep 5, 2011
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Simply write a letter to them saying you got the request, and you have requested the appropriate document, but it will take X amount of time, and you will submit that to them as soon as you have it. That happens all the time and it is completely understandable!
Thanks , That's what I will do
 

Paulson

Star Member
May 3, 2017
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Thanks for the reply, actually the letter I received says I need to submit PCC as I spent more than 183 days in the 4 years preceding the application date in that country, which I didn't do. My concern is that it will take few months to get this PCC done and I don't think there is a reason for that request as I was told nothing during the interview after the test.
You say you didn’t stay more than 183 days during preceding 4 years. Guess you may have stayed more than 183 days in the 5th year and that could be the reason they ask for PCC
 

scorph

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Aug 17, 2017
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Abbotsford BC
Hello,
So I sent my application for citizenship on Dec/ 2017, done my test and interview on June/ 2018 and was told everything looks good and was asked to submit a translation of passport stamps. Yesterday I received a letter asking me to submit a PCC from the country I used to live in , although , I didn't spend 183 days in that country in the 4 years preceding the date of my application. Actually when I was planning to submit my application, I waited few days to make sure I stayed less than 183 days. Today I checked with the embassy of the previous country, they said PCC will need up to 6 months to be completed. Not sure if someone has similar situation or there could be any way to avoid sending the PCC.
Thank you in advance
My advice: send them the requested document and refrain from complaining. There’s certainly a reason why they are asking for your PCC for that country regardless of that you spent less than 183 days in that country during your citizenship eligibility period.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Reminder: The requirement to submit a police clearance certificate WITH THE APPLICATION, which is triggered based on a total of 183 days presence in a particular country, adding up all periods of time during the four years prior to the date of the application (adding up each separate trip into one total), is merely an administrative criteria IRCC has established for determining which applicants are required to submit a clearance in order to make a complete application for citizenship.

As I have oft cautioned, IRCC has broad discretion to request additional documents and information relevant to any of the requirements for a grant of citizenship, including evidence tending to prove the applicant is NOT subject to any prohibition. In this context, the relevant prohibition is a criminal charge or conviction in another country EITHER within the four years prior to applying for citizenship, OR any time after applying before the oath is actually taken. Thus, even a brief trip to a country, BEFORE or AFTER applying, can potentially lead to IRCC requesting proof the applicant has NO criminal charges or convictions in that country.

As I have in particular cautioned on some occasions, it can be a mistake to focus on the exact number of days as if the 183 day threshold defines for certain who will need to submit a clearance.

I DO NOT know, with a lot of emphasis on NOT KNOWING, why the OP here has been asked to submit a clearance. BUT what I do know is that waiting a "few days" to get past the 183 day threshold (or, for that matter, otherwise having been close to that many days but not quite) ONLY means the individual is NOT necessarily required to submit a clearance WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY AVOID A LATER REQUEST FOR A CLEARANCE.

Is the later request reasonable? That depends on the particular circumstances.

Is it procedurally unfair to not make the request months after the interview? That depends on the particular circumstances (including what has triggered the request).

Is it a mistake? The fact the correspondence refers to the 183 days threshold does not adequately indicate a mistake. Correspondence like this from IRCC tends to have quite a lot of boilerplate that is not directly relevant. The generic Finger Print request makes reference to verifying the individual has no criminal record in Canada, even though many of those requests are actually triggered for other reasons.

WHAT to DO: As others suggest, foremost best to respond to IRCC timely and, assuming it is true, state that a proper application for a clearance has been made but it is not yet available, and that when it is obtained it will submitted. And if IRCC does not proceed to another step before the clearance is obtained, then of course do submit it as soon as it is obtained.

There is a chance IRCC will proceed without the clearance. Obviously, CSIS and/or visa office personnel can conduct inquiries to determine if an applicant has criminal charges or convictions abroad, and indeed are likely to do so if the applicant cannot promptly submit a clearance. And if those inquiries establish the applicant has no charges or convictions in that country, IRCC might proceed to make a decision on the application without waiting for the applicant to follow through in eventually submitting a clearance.

Of course IRCC is well familiar with how to obtain and how long it takes to obtain clearances from most countries in the world. So the explanation better be a truthful one.

And, of course, if indeed an applicant has criminal charges in another country that will constitute a prohibition. Citizenship denied. (Assuming it is a charge which, if committed in Canada, would constitute an indictable offence under Canadian law, which includes so-called hybrid offences which could be prosecuted either as an indictable offence or a summary offence, regardless of how it is handled in the other country.)
 
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Mns77

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Of course IRCC is well familiar with how to obtain and how long it takes to obtain clearances from most countries in the world. So the explanation better be a truthful one.

And, of course, if indeed an applicant has criminal charges in another country that will constitute a prohibition. Citizenship denied. (Assuming it is a charge which, if committed in Canada, would constitute an indictable offence under Canadian law, which includes so-called hybrid offences which could be prosecuted either as an indictable offence or a summary offence, regardless of how it is handled in the other country.)
Thanks for all the replies, I think I have no options now but to proceed with the PCC request to be completed, which as per the embassy website it may take up to 6 months. That being said, I don't understand if it was something needed to be done as I was close to the 183 days in that country, why the PCC request was delayed until after 10 months of sending my application, why it was not requested even during the interview which was almost 100 days ago, all what I was told after going through my file and my travel history, everything is good and to wait for the oath invitation. But again I have no options now except working on the PCC and wait......
 

mh.sk

Full Member
Jan 29, 2018
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Hello,
So I sent my application for citizenship on Dec/ 2017, done my test and interview on June/ 2018 and was told everything looks good and was asked to submit a translation of passport stamps. Yesterday I received a letter asking me to submit a PCC from the country I used to live in , although , I didn't spend 183 days in that country in the 4 years preceding the date of my application. Actually when I was planning to submit my application, I waited few days to make sure I stayed less than 183 days. Today I checked with the embassy of the previous country, they said PCC will need up to 6 months to be completed. Not sure if someone has similar situation or there could be any way to avoid sending the PCC.
Thank you in advance
Was your status already been changed to "Decision made" or Still "In Process" after your test/interview?
 

PakUofT2018

Newbie
Oct 3, 2018
8
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No it is still In Process since then.
I had to submit PCC from two countries as well.
Just apply for PCC and in the meantime, you can use the webform to tell them that you "have applied for a PCC and it is going to take some time due to processing times".
When your PCC arrives, scan it and send it to them using webform.
But don't send it by mail because 1) you can hand deliver the original to Citizenship Officer when you are invited for test/interview and 2) sending by mail has the risk of losing/misplacing the document unless you have the specific mail address of the case processing center.
So, this is what I did and it worked out completely fine.