Work experience, personal history and FSW

[mayple]

So, to be eligible for express entry there are two types of points - FSW (67/100) and CRS score.

For FSW - the requirement is 6 years of work experience for 67 points correct ?

For CRS however, 1 year continuous in NOC 0, A or B.

How will you handle a situation where lets say the experience is 6 years 10 months in the last 10 years. However, the work experience reference letter is available for 3 years 10 months, the remaining 3 years, only start and end dates are available on the letter but not details about the job duties.

for CRS, 3 years 10 months will be shown in "work history" - still counted as 3 years since there is no category for part year experience for the 10 months.

But how will you prove the remaining 3 years that one is claiming? In absence of job duties, if this experience is removed from "work history" but included in "personal history" - how do you prove this experience? And while this 3 years won't get you any CRS points (due to exclusion from work history), will it count towards FSW score? If yes, then wouldn't you have to provide that you do in fact have this 3 year work experience?

 

[hamgha]

So, to be eligible for express entry there are two types of points - FSW (67/100) and CRS score.

For FSW - the requirement is 6 years of work experience for 67 points correct ?

For CRS however, 1 year continuous in NOC 0, A or B.

How will you handle a situation where lets say the experience is 6 years 10 months in the last 10 years. However, the work experience reference letter is available for 3 years 10 months, the remaining 3 years, only start and end dates are available on the letter but not details about the job duties.

for CRS, 3 years 10 months will be shown in "work history" - still counted as 3 years since there is no category for part year experience for the 10 months.

But how will you prove the remaining 3 years that one is claiming? In absence of job duties, if this experience is removed from "work history" but included in "personal history" - how do you prove this experience? And while this 3 years won't get you any CRS points (due to exclusion from work history), will it count towards FSW score? If yes, then wouldn't you have to provide that you do in fact have this 3 year work experience?

The 67 points determine your ELIGIBILITY. After you are eligible then you can evaluate your CRS. If you don't have the 67 points you are not eligible in the first place

 

[navinball]

For CRS only 3 yrs will get you max score for employment. Rest of the 3 can be put in personal history.

 

[mayple]

For CRS only 3 yrs will get you max score for employment. Rest of the 3 can be put in personal history.

thanks. But how do we ensure that the 3 years is sufficient for FSW eligibility?

While creating the EE, 6 years of work experience was highlighted and ITA was then issued. But now, should the 3 of the 6 years be moved to personal history, how would that impact the FSW eligibility?

Also, wouldn't the CIC need proof of all the other work experience being claimed, even under the personal history to verify the legitimacy of the claim.

 

[DelPiero07]

thanks. But how do we ensure that the 3 years is sufficient for FSW eligibility?

While creating the EE, 6 years of work experience was highlighted and ITA was then issued. But now, should the 3 of the 6 years be moved to personal history, how would that impact the FSW eligibility?

Also, wouldn't the CIC need proof of all the other work experience being claimed, even under the personal history to verify the legitimacy of the claim.

You would calculate your score under the six selection factors with 3 years of work experience and see if you remain above the required 67 points.

 

[bimale4bipeople]

thanks. But how do we ensure that the 3 years is sufficient for FSW eligibility?

While creating the EE, 6 years of work experience was highlighted and ITA was then issued. But now, should the 3 of the 6 years be moved to personal history, how would that impact the FSW eligibility?

Also, wouldn't the CIC need proof of all the other work experience being claimed, even under the personal history to verify the legitimacy of the claim.

They need proof for the 3 years of Foreign Work Exp in your case(you will require Letter of Reference, (optional) - pay stubs, (optional) - employment letter... rest of the work exp that you mention in your personal history you do not require docs like Letter of Reference etc...

Optional only in the case the officer asks for it via a additional doc request.

 

[mayple]

You would calculate your score under the six selection factors with 3 years of work experience and see if you remain above the required 67 points.

Ok. So it needs to be manually assessed/calculated. In the beginning, it was the online CIC system that, i presume, based on the entered details calculate the eligibility (FSW) and the CRS score.

Is there no way to officially confirm the impact of removing the 3 years on the FSW score to be absolutely sure. I would not bother chasing the reference for the 3 years (having difficulties obtaining the detailed reference letter from an old employer), if it can be safely removed.

 

[bimale4bipeople]

Ok. So it needs to be manually assessed/calculated. In the beginning, it was the online CIC system that, i presume, based on the entered details calculate the eligibility (FSW) and the CRS score.

Is there no way to officially confirm the impact of removing the 3 years on the FSW score to be absolutely sure. I would not bother chasing the reference for the 3 years (having difficulties obtaining the detailed reference letter from an old employer), if it can be safely removed.

Check Foreign work experience under CRS – C. Skill transferability factors
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html

 

[mayple]

Check Foreign work experience under CRS – C. Skill transferability factors
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html

Thanks - but this is calculation of the CRS score. The online system itself re-calculates the CRS score once you make a change to the profile, after receiving the ITA but before submitting the application for processing.

Given that 3 years is max that is considered for CRS score, removing the 3 years (from the 6 years) won't change the CRS score. But, it may impact the FSW score (from an eligibility perspective). So my concern is to validate, officially if possible, the FSW eligibility score (after removing the 3 years). Ofcourse, I can manually calculate it, but that is "my" calculation, not the CIC or their system's official calculation.

 

[mayple]

looks like the link I'm looking for is the following:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers/six-selection-factors-federal-skilled-workers.html.

Now, another question then is - what if I don't remove the 3 years from the work history and while that 3 years is not required for CRS score, what If i prefer to include, but ONLY include a general reference letter stating my dates of employment with the company (no detailed job duties). Will that make any difference to the application (negatively) ?

 

[bimale4bipeople]

looks like the link I'm looking for is the following:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers/six-selection-factors-federal-skilled-workers.html.

Now, another question then is - what if I don't remove the 3 years from the work history and while that 3 years is not required for CRS score, what If i prefer to include, but ONLY include a general reference letter stating my dates of employment with the company (no detailed job duties). Will that make any difference to the application (negatively) ?

If you end up including a generic reference letter, it may end up being marked as "review required" by a case analyst to his case officer and may take a longer time to process.
whether it be accepted or rejected will truly depend on case officers judgement, it will be hard to predict such an outcome whether it will be a negative one or will be a positive one...

PS: the link which you posted above says... Not Found...

 

[mayple]

If you end up including a generic reference letter, it may end up being marked as "review required" by a case analyst to his case officer and may take a longer time to process.
whether it be accepted or rejected will truly depend on case officers judgement, it will be hard to predict such an outcome whether it will be a negative one or will be a positive one...

PS: the link which you posted above says... Not Found...

So even though one meets the CRS score (whatever the cutoff is) and FSW eligibility score (67/100) with 3 years of experience, but still includes additional 3 years of experience (i.e. a total of 6 years) in the work history AND provides detailed reference letter for the minimum 3 years of experience required for eligibility, while provides only basic reference letter (no job duties, just dates) for the remaining 3 years of work experience, which isn't necessarily required, they will still review the additional 3 year work experience even though it isn't really required to be provided since it is above and beyond the eligibility/minimum requirements ?

Yet, if someone moves that additional above and beyond work experience to personal history, no review/proof will be required?

That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone can claim work experience in personal history that way (whether they can prove it or not)


Weird - the link works for me here

 

[bimale4bipeople]

So even though one meets the CRS score (whatever the cutoff is) and FSW eligibility score (67/100) with 3 years of experience, but still includes additional 3 years of experience (i.e. a total of 6 years) in the work history AND provides detailed reference letter for the minimum 3 years of experience required for eligibility, while provides only basic reference letter (no job duties, just dates) for the remaining 3 years of work experience, which isn't necessarily required, they will still review the additional 3 year work experience even though it isn't really required to be provided since it is above and beyond the eligibility/minimum requirements ?

Yet, if someone moves that additional above and beyond work experience to personal history, no review/proof will be required?

That doesn't make sense to me. Anyone can claim work experience in personal history that way (whether they can prove it or not)


Weird - the link works for me here

You can take a look at GCMS notes and the description about the job experience:




So if the reference letter does not meet the standards they will normally flag it for a case officer to review...


This link works because the link you quoted now is a different one: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers.html

The link which you posted earlier: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers/six-selection-factors-federal-skilled-workers.html was not working.

 

[mayple]

You can take a look at GCMS notes and the description about the job experience:



So if the reference letter does not meet the standards they will normally flag it for a case officer to review...


This link works because the link you quoted now is a different one: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers.html

The link which you posted earlier: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers/six-selection-factors-federal-skilled-workers.html was not working.

Wow - this is interesting. Thanks for sharing this info.

However, not sure if my point was clear. Summarizing the case/situation again:

total experience in last 10 years = 6 years
total experience required by the candidate to meet requirements (FSW and the cutoff score) = 3 years. For this 3 years, detailed job reference letter as per CIC is available.

Therefore, technically, the remaining 3 years (6-3=3) of work experience doesn't need to be included in the work history. However, if the applicant chooses to include all 6 years of work experience, and the the remaining 3 years (which isn't required to be included), AND provides reference letter but the reference letter does not have job duties or income details, but simply states the person was employed from this date to this date. Will inclusion of this additional not required 3 year experience impact the application assessment negatively.

OR

the visa officer will say, well this guy only needs 3 years experience to meet the requirements and has provided sufficient proof for the 3 years AND then the visa officer won't care about the remaining 3 years of experience, even though the applicant included it.

 

[bimale4bipeople]

Wow - this is interesting. Thanks for sharing this info.

However, not sure if my point was clear. Summarizing the case/situation again:

total experience in last 10 years = 6 years
total experience required by the candidate to meet requirements (FSW and the cutoff score) = 3 years. For this 3 years, detailed job reference letter as per CIC is available.

Therefore, technically, the remaining 3 years (6-3=3) of work experience doesn't need to be included in the work history. However, if the applicant chooses to include all 6 years of work experience, and the the remaining 3 years (which isn't required to be included), AND provides reference letter but the reference letter does not have job duties or income details, but simply states the person was employed from this date to this date. Will inclusion of this additional not required 3 year experience impact the application assessment negatively.

OR

the visa officer will say, well this guy only needs 3 years experience to meet the requirements and has provided sufficient proof for the 3 years AND then the visa officer won't care about the remaining 3 years of experience, even though the applicant included it.

I think I have already covered this point in https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/work-experience-personal-history-and-fsw.576808/#post-7152579.

My advice would be to you to keep your 3 yrs work exp in the Employment History(the one that you can backup with detailed Letter or Reference) and move the rest to the personal history....

I don't have anything more to add here.