Eligibility of NOC 2282 as work experience

[fatani]

Your reference is partially correct and also 100% applicable for the original poster here. However just for our future reference, few NOC (specially management, doctors, architects, dentists lawyers etc.) does need to meet education requirements. Where NOC description says education requirement "is/are required" without the term "usually" or "may be" means that education requirement is compulsory to claim experience points for that particular NOC.

Hope it helps!

It is nowhere written that "may be" means that education does not matter and "usually" means that education is strictly required.

As far as docs and lawyers are concerned we all know that one cant claim himself to be a lawyer or a doctor anywhere in the world without their relevant degrees. But most other job titles are different in some countries you require relevant education for this in other you can perform that job without relevant education in that field.

For example my friend was a teacher and he was MA in economics in my country he did not required B.ED to teach but in canada you must have B.ED degree to teach and you can search Noc 4032 it also mentions one should have B.ED to teach but he got the PR and now doing economic related job in canada.

 

[fatani]

What's wrong in my response. He should have at least a college program to perform this NOC. That's what i mentioned.

Things you mentioned are in employment requirements there are no such thing as "EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS" and one dont have to demonstrate the he/she meets employment requirements.


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/fsw/minimum.asp

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.




Employment requirements

• Completion of a college program in computer science, computer programming or network administration is usually required.
• College or other courses in computer programming or network administration are usually required.
• Certification or training provided by software vendors may be required by some employers.

 

[fatani]

Your reference is partially correct and also 100% applicable for the original poster here. However just for our future reference, few NOC (specially management, doctors, architects, dentists lawyers etc.) does need to meet education requirements. Where NOC description says education requirement "is/are required" without the term "usually" or "may be" means that education requirement is compulsory to claim experience points for that particular NOC.

Hope it helps!

There is no such thing as "EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS". We all know that a doctor cant practice legally anywhere without education and same goes with lawyers so we should exempt them as it is illegal anywhere in the world to practice as a lawyer or a doctor without its relevant degrees.

But for other jobs every country has its own rule that is why you dont have to demonstrate that you meet employment requirements. There are only three things.

1. Noc code title
2. Main duties
3. Employment requirements

There is no such thing called "Educational requirements" or regulated jobs.

 

[fatani]

Your reference is partially correct and also 100% applicable for the original poster here. However just for our future reference, few NOC (specially management, doctors, architects, dentists lawyers etc.) does need to meet education requirements. Where NOC description says education requirement "is/are required" without the term "usually" or "may be" means that education requirement is compulsory to claim experience points for that particular NOC.

Hope it helps!

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/economic-classes/federal-skilled-workers/assessing-applications-against-minimum-requirements.html


Minimum work experience requirement
The applicant must have accumulated at least one year of continuous full-time (or the equivalent in part-time) paid work experiencein the occupation identified in their application for permanent residence as their primary occupation. In calculating this period of work experience, the occupation must be listed in skill type 0 (Managerial occupations), skill level A (Professional occupations) or skill level B (Technical occupations and skilled trades) of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) 2016 [R75(2)(a)].

The applicant’s skilled work experience must also

• have occurred within the ten years preceding the date of their application for permanent residence; and
• not be in an occupation that has been designated as a restricted occupation.

Note: At the time of publication, no occupations were designated as restricted.

In addition, during that period of employment, the applicant must have

• performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(b)]; and
• performed a substantial number of the main duties, including all of the essential duties, of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(c)].

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.


These are the requirements to claim points if anybody meets these requirements he/she is good to go. And this is from the horses mouth from IRCC not me writing it. If you have any such official IRCC link and publication where it says that there is a thing called as EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENT. And "may be" means not neccessary and "usually" means required than please share

 

[fatani]

Ok but how about we focus on my specific NOC 2282, do you have any observations on it or is it good to submit.

Thank you.

Every noc is same there is nothing specific about your noc. The page in which we see noc codes are not only for people who are immigrating. It is for employers also and employment requirements are for working in canada if you want to claim points for PR application you can claim points if you performed main duties that are written in noc description.

 

[ishq74]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/economic-classes/federal-skilled-workers/assessing-applications-against-minimum-requirements.html


Minimum work experience requirement
The applicant must have accumulated at least one year of continuous full-time (or the equivalent in part-time) paid work experiencein the occupation identified in their application for permanent residence as their primary occupation. In calculating this period of work experience, the occupation must be listed in skill type 0 (Managerial occupations), skill level A (Professional occupations) or skill level B (Technical occupations and skilled trades) of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) 2016 [R75(2)(a)].

The applicant’s skilled work experience must also

• have occurred within the ten years preceding the date of their application for permanent residence; and
• not be in an occupation that has been designated as a restricted occupation.

Note: At the time of publication, no occupations were designated as restricted.

In addition, during that period of employment, the applicant must have

• performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(b)]; and
• performed a substantial number of the main duties, including all of the essential duties, of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(c)].

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.


These are the requirements to claim points if anybody meets these requirements he/she is good to go. And this is from the horses mouth from IRCC not me writing it. If you have any such official IRCC link and publication where it says that there is a thing called as EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENT. And "may be" means not neccessary and "usually" means required than please share

Lol I know this page and I have qouted many times in my several posts this link for many applicants! I am not here to debate with you, I am telling everyone that some NOCs are different which must need minimum education. You can go through reasons for rejection pages and find examples of rejection because of education mismatch! I also said you are 100% correct in terms of Original Poster here. And isn't the NOC page a official link where you can read the word "may be" which means an optional criteria? Please select a Financial mangers NOC page and you will find in education requirement that "a xxx degree is required" "several years of experiences are required"!

Anyway I was't picking your mistake here thus I wrote "for OUR future reference".

Thank you.

 

[fatani]

Lol I know this page and I have qouted many times in my several posts this link for many applicants! I am not here to debate with you, I am telling everyone that some NOCs are different which must need minimum education. You can go through reasons for rejection pages and find examples of rejection because of education mismatch! I also said you are 100% correct in terms of Original Poster here. And isn't the NOC page a official link where you can read the word "may be" which means an optional criteria? Please select a Financial mangers NOC page and you will find in education requirement that "a xxx degree is required" "several years of experiences are required"!

Anyway I was't picking your mistake here thus I wrote "for OUR future reference".

Thank you.

For my reference please bring up a case here which you read rejected because of education mismatch.

 

[fatani]

Lol I know this page and I have qouted many times in my several posts this link for many applicants! I am not here to debate with you, I am telling everyone that some NOCs are different which must need minimum education. You can go through reasons for rejection pages and find examples of rejection because of education mismatch! I also said you are 100% correct in terms of Original Poster here. And isn't the NOC page a official link where you can read the word "may be" which means an optional criteria? Please select a Financial mangers NOC page and you will find in education requirement that "a xxx degree is required" "several years of experiences are required"!

Anyway I was't picking your mistake here thus I wrote "for OUR future reference".

Thank you.

I am telling you again that there is no such thing as "Educational Requirements" you can go and search on any noc there are only 2 thing main duties and employment requirements. And employment requirements are only there for working in canada after PR not for working in your home country.

I would like to tag @DelPiero07 and @legalfalcon to tell me am I wrong or right?

 

[ishq74]

I am telling you again that there is no such thing as "Educational Requirements" you can go and search on any noc there are only 2 thing main duties and employment requirements. And employment requirements are only there for working in canada after PR not for working in your home country.

I would like to tag @DelPiero07 and @legalfalcon to tell me am I wrong or right?

Designated professional bodies
Physicians (NOC 3111 or NOC 3112)
If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma.

• Medical Council of Canada (professional body for doctors)
  • designated: April 17, 2013

If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/education-assessed/how.html

Hope you understand my point!

 

[fatani]

Designated professional bodies
Physicians (NOC 3111 or NOC 3112)
If your primary occupation is specialist physician (NOC 3111) or general practitioner/family physician (NOC 3112), the Medical Council of Canada must do an ECA for your primary medical diploma.

• Medical Council of Canada (professional body for doctors)
  • designated: April 17, 2013

If you have a different primary occupation, another designated organization can do your assessment.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/education-assessed/how.html

Hope you understand my point!

Lol the thing which you are showing is that medical professionals cant do with wes or iqas. I was saying all along the one cant practice as a doctor or lawyer without its relevant degree in any country of the world. But other than that you dont need to meet employment requirements as shown by @legalfalcon

 

[legalfalcon]

Lol the thing which you are showing is that medical professionals cant do with wes or iqas. I was saying all along the one cant practice as a doctor or lawyer without its relevant degree in any country of the world. But other than that you dont need to meet employment requirements as shown by @legalfalcon

I have been tagged twice in this thread, so here you go guys:

When selecting the NOC, you only have to focus on the Job duties. As pointed out above:

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.

Simply put, no matter what degree you have, as long as you meet the substantial job duties, you can chose that NOC.

Let me provide some scenarios:

1. An applicant has a degree in Bachelors of Fine Arts (4 years). The applicant will claim points of the bachelors degree. Now hen selecting the NOC, she will select one for which the Job Duties substantially match the job duties done by the applicant, which can be even that of an accountant. Now this is an extreme case, but possible.

2. For Lawyers, Physicians, and other licensed professional when an applicant applied for EE, none of them are licensed in Canada. Still they will select the NOC for that of a Physician, Lawyer etc., as their job duties substantially match the JDs in the NOC.

For Physicians, it is advisable that they get the ECA from the Medical Council of Canada, but that is not mandatory. A Doctor who does not wish to practice in Canada, can even get a ECA from WES, but will not be able to select a first professional degree needed for a licensed professional, instead she will have to chose bachelors or Masters. Only if the medical degree is evaluated from MCC, will the applicant be able to chose first professional degree needed for a licensed professional, for a Bachelors on Medicine.

@fatani you are absolutely correct.

I have read many posts where @mr.preetsingh has been providing incorrect information when it comes to NOC.

This is why I always stage, the forum is a two edged sword, it helps, but there are many pitfalls, based on what you read and who is writing it.

 

[fatani]

I have been tagged twice in this thread, so here you go guys:

When selecting the NOC, you only have to focus on the Job duties. As pointed out above:

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.

Simply put, no matter what degree you have, as long as you meet the substantial job duties, you can chose that NOC.

Let me provide some scenarios:

1. An applicant has a degree in Bachelors of Fine Arts (4 years). The applicant will claim points of the bachelors degree. Now hen selecting the NOC, she will select one for which the Job Duties substantially match the job duties done by the applicant, which can be even that of an accountant. Now this is an extreme case, but possible.

2. For Lawyers, Physicians, and other licensed professional when an applicant applied for EE, none of them are licensed in Canada. Still they will select the NOC for that of a Physician, Lawyer etc., as their job duties substantially match the JDs in the NOC.

For Physicians, it is advisable that they get the ECA from the Medical Council of Canada, but that is not mandatory. A Doctor who does not wish to practice in Canada, can even get a ECA from WES, but will not be able to select a first professional degree needed for a licensed professional, instead she will have to chose bachelors or Masters. Only if the medical degree is evaluated from MCC, will the applicant be able to chose first professional degree needed for a licensed professional, for a Bachelors on Medicine.

@fatani you are absolutely correct.

I have read many posts where @mr.preetsingh has been providing incorrect information when it comes to NOC.

This is why I always stage, the forum is a two edged sword, it helps, but there are many pitfalls, based on what you read and who is writing it.

Thank you for helping us out and I hope @mr.preetsingh will now be satisfied and I feel sorry for all his victims for which he has shattered their immigration dreams by providing false information and claiming himself as a consultant without basic know how. I hope people will remain free of such people and do research on their own.

 

[legalfalcon]

Thank you for helping us out and I hope @mr.preetsingh will now be satisfied and I feel sorry for all his victims for which he has shattered their immigration dreams by providing false information and claiming himself as a consultant without basic know how. I hope people will remain free of such people and do research on their own.

I am always skeptical about the so called consultants. If you read the prerequisites of a consultant, its just passing a course which teaches you the history and some basic administrative law, and passing an exam. This course can even be done online. Technically, they do not even need a high school diploma.

Unfortunately, Canada is the only country in the world that allows consultants to provide advice, without having the liabilities associated with it. As compared to a lawyer, who has to first get into a law school, for which a bachelors is mandatory, and the graduate in 3 years, and then take the bar exam to get licensed. So its minimum 7 years vs. 6 Months of education. What do you expect.

I don't claim that all consultants are bad, or all lawyers are experts, but there is a stark difference. When I see people claiming to be consultants, and giving such crappy advise which does not need licensing, but reading plain and simple english, I am appalled.

But as a professional, I see it as that my job is not argue with everyone waling on the side walk, rather it is to make things look easy when I am called in, by doing my work.

Lets just leave it there.

 

[Khatrao]

It is nowhere written that "may be" means that education does not matter and "usually" means that education is strictly required.

As far as docs and lawyers are concerned we all know that one cant claim himself to be a lawyer or a doctor anywhere in the world without their relevant degrees. But most other job titles are different in some countries you require relevant education for this in other you can perform that job without relevant education in that field.

For example my friend was a teacher and he was MA in economics in my country he did not required B.ED to teach but in canada you must have B.ED degree to teach and you can search Noc 4032 it also mentions one should have B.ED to teach but he got the PR and now doing economic related job in canada.

I am having Masters degree in Computer engineering and I do not have B.Ed. I have 2 years of Experience as a School Teacher. So can i go ahead and apply withou a B.ed in 4032 NOC. Please do reply. I will be very thankful to you.

 

[chawla.chahat]

I have done B.A In Hospitality from and having Edinburgh Napier University Degree. However, I left hotel line after 1.5 years of experience.

Currently having MULTIPLE Technology certificates with real experience of 2 years as System and Network Engineer Profile.

Just to ask will my degree will be valid if i apply for 2282 or 2281 NOC for the PR

As i have Hospitality degree and now i have changed my work profile.