Suggestion on TRV

[JAYPEESINGH]

Hi:
I JATINDER, from New Delhi India, planning to apply TRV with my family (My wife and 4 year daughter) in Oct'18 for 27-Dec-18 to 3-Jan-19 (8 days). Please let us is there any chance to get visa by reveiwing my profile.

We are planning to travel in these days as this is winter vacation time. My wife (Teacher) and daughter (Studying in nursery class) has vacations during these days.

• Travelled to Europe in June'17 for 7 days except our daughter as she was too small.
• Both are working and earning total of 80K - 85K per month
• Running bank balance of 10 lacs.
• Living with parents and property is in the name of mother.
• Can share NOC from our organization , salary slips, IT Return
• Can share NOC from our daughter School.
• Myself working with same organization from last 3 years and wife is working from 8-9 years with sane organization

 

[Bryanna]

We are planning to travel in these days as this is winter vacation time. My wife (Teacher) and daughter (Studying in nursery class) has vacations during these days.

Why Canada? Why not another country in Europe or anywhere else in the world?

Travelled to Europe in June'17 for 7 days except our daughter as she was too small.

Which countries in Europe?
Which country issued the Schengen visa?
Did you travel as part of an organized tour?

Both are working and earning total of 80K - 85K per month

Too low. This is why I mentioned the 'Why Canada' questions

Running bank balance of 10 lacs.

Hopefully this was earned by you and your wife.... not borrowed from anyone + matches your ITRs.

Living with parents and property is in the name of mother.

Your mother's property cannot be included in your application

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

1) Same question another country can ask like Australia, New Zealand, US, England.
Although we want to celebrate our New Year eve under the light of NF this is the main reason and also want to spend our good time in Toronto.

So we want to travel Toronto & NF during our trip to CA


2) We have covered Paris and Switzerland. France embassy issued 30 days visa although we back from Europe is 7 days. Travelled with organized tour (Yatra.com) not enjoyed a lot that's why planning to go own this time.


3) We easily save almost 40-45K per month and per year 4-5 lac after our all expense. So we easily show that 10 lacs is our saving and it is matches with our ITR and Form 16

 

[Bryanna]

1) Same question another country can ask like Australia, New Zealand, US, England.

Yes. These are typical questions that visa officer seeks answers to.

Although we want to celebrate our New Year eve under the light of NF this is the main reason and also want to spend our good time in Toronto.

So we want to travel Toronto & NF during our trip to CA

Not sure why you have picked Newfoundland for your visit especially in winter. Toronto/Ontario have plenty to offer without traveling to NL. And, a visit of just eight days makes your intended plan to seem unrealistic.

2) We have covered Paris and Switzerland. France embassy issued 30 days visa although we back from Europe is 7 days. Travelled with organized tour (Yatra.com) not enjoyed a lot that's why planning to go own this time.

I recommend you apply without your daughter.

Please go through this forum for suggestions before you apply. IMO, you do not have a convincing purpose of visit nor a compelling reason to visit. So do be aware before you submit any visa application.

3) We easily save almost 40-45K per month and per year 4-5 lac after our all expense. So we easily show that 10 lacs is our saving and it is matches with our ITR and Form 16

Okay

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

NF means Niagara Fall (NF) not Newfoundland which is 4-5 hours from Toronto

Planning to travel 4-5 Days in Toronto and two days in Niagara Falls as I know i will not get leave for 15-20 from my office, job responsibilities

 

[Bryanna]

NF means Niagara Fall (NF) not Newfoundland which is 4-5 hours from Toronto

Ha ha. That's why I was wondering why you would visit NL in winter LOL

It makes perfect sense to visit Niagara Falls.

Planning to travel 4-5 Days in Toronto and two days in Niagara Falls as I know i will not get leave for 15-20 from my office, job responsibilities

You can manage a visit to the Falls in a day trip from Toronto unless you plan to stay overnight


1. Do post the list of documents for yourself and your wife

2. Hopefully, you have prepared a detailed day-by-day plan with expense estimates

3. An 8-day visit will seem suspicious. You may want to rethink this

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

Thanks Bryanna for quick response

I have prepared list of documents and day-by-day plan for CA TRV (Toronto & Niagara) but its saved in my personal laptop which is kept at home and currently I am in the office.

Expenses estimate is still in process

Will share the same for your review after 0430 PM EST as that time I reach home.

Although my earlier plan was : -
Toronto (3 days) sight seeing
Then by Air to Quebec City (3 days) which take almost 2 hours
Then by Air from QC to YYZ then by bus to Niagara Fall (2 days)
Then NF to Toronto (1 day) for Shopping
3 days travel time (India to YYZ & YYZ to India) which reaches to 12 days

My office will not allow that much of leave that's the reason we have dropped Quebec City

 

[Bryanna]

Although my earlier plan was : -
Toronto (3 days) sight seeing
Then by Air to Quebec City (3 days) which take almost 2 hours
Then by Air from QC to YYZ then by bus to Niagara Fall (2 days)
Then NF to Toronto (1 day) for Shopping
3 days travel time (India to YYZ & YYZ to India) which reaches to 12 days

You must include a detailed plan for each day.... where you will go sightseeing.... the expense estimates for each day, including for entry fees/ local travel/ meals, etc + hotel booking estimates, etc

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

Please find below our list of documents: -

Myself

• Form 16 from employer (Last 3 Year)
  
• IT Return (Last 3 Year)
• Last Appraisal Letter
• Office ID Card
• NOC + Leave Sanction Letter
• Six Month Salary Slip
• Marriage Certificate
• Running Balance 4-5 lac

Wife (Renewal Contract Job and it is renewed from last 8-9 year)

• Salary Certificate (Last 3 Year)
• IT Return (Last 3 Year)
• NOC Letter + Leave Sanction Letter
• Running Balance of 2-3 Lac

Daughter

• Birth Certificate
• School ID Card
• NOC Letter + Leave Sanction Letter
  
• Balance of 3.5 to 4 Lac (Amount only transferred by myself and my wife) and account managed by my Wife

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

Day to Day Plan

India to Toronto 26-Dec-18 (Wed)
Toronto to India 03-Jan-19 (Thursday)
Total = 09 Days

Day 1 (26th-Dec-18) - Thursday - Toronto

• Check in to hotel, overnight stay in Toronto.

Day 2 (27th-Dec-18) - Friday - Toronto

Harbour front Centre (Timing: 11:00 – 19:00)

• Harbour front Centre is a key cultural organization on the waterfront

The CN Tower (Timing: 09:00 – 22:30)

• The CN Tower is a 553.3 m-high (1,815.3 ft) concrete communications and observation tower
• It is a signature icon of Toronto's skyline

Hockey Hall of Fame (Timing: 10:30 – 17:00)

• The Hockey Hall of Fame is located in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Dedicated to the history of ice hockey, it is a museum and a hall of fame

Yonge–Dundas Square

• Yonge–Dundas Square, or Dundas Square, is a public square at the southeast corner of the intersection of Yonge Street and Dundas Street

Nathan Phillips Square

• Nathan Phillips Square is an urban plaza
• The square is rectangular in shape, with the edge of the city hall meeting the square on an angle on the north side. The main portion of the square is paved with two sizes of reinforced concrete slabs. The square has a reflecting pool, a peace garden, a permanent stage and several sculptures

Day 3 (28th-Dec-18) - Saturday - Toronto

Canada's Wonderland (Timing: 10:00 – 18:00)

• Massive amusement park with some 200 attractions, rides including roller coasters & a water park.

Harbour front Centre / Nathan Phillips Square


Day 4 (29th-Dec-18) - Wednesday - Toronto

Casa Loma (09:00 – 17:00)

• Grand 18th-century castle featuring regular tours & gardens those are open seasonally.

Royal Ontario Museum (10:00 – 17:30)

• Sprawling natural history & world cultures galleries, plus dinosaurs in the Libeskind crystal wing.

Art Gallery of Ontario (Timing: 10:00 AM – 17:30)

• The Art Gallery of Ontario is an art museum/ Its collection includes more than 90,000 works spanning the first century to the present day.
• The gallery has 45,000 square metres (480,000 sq ft) of physical space, making it one of the largest galleries in North America

Toronto Zoo (Timing: 09:00 – 19:00)

• Immense zoo with outdoor pavilions housing hundreds of species, plus a large botanical collection.

Day 05 (30-Dec-18), Toronto City to Niagara Fall

Toronto Pearson International Airport to Niagara Falls Via Mega Bus (04 hour 50 minutes)

Day 05 (30-Dec-18) – Thursday - NF

Skylon Tower (0900 – 2200)

• Observation tower featuring sweeping vistas of Niagara Falls plus an arcade & revolving restaurant.

Journey behind the Falls (0900 – 1700/2000)

• Experience the “rush” of the water from another perspective, from the tunnels and look-out portals beneath the Horseshoe Falls.

Horseshoe Falls

• Canadian portion of America's famous, towering Niagara Falls, with boat tours to the waterfall.

Floral Show house (0900- 1700)

• Christmas Flower Show
• The Floral Showhouse is active with displays and flower shows throughout the year. Explore the entire Floral Showhouse and surroundings

Rainbow Bridge

• The Rainbow Bridge across the Niagara River connects Niagara, Ontario to Niagara, New York. It is an international landmark and impressive architectural feat.

Butterfly Conservatory (1000 – 1700)

• This magical attraction features over 2,000 colourful tropical butterflies floating freely among lush, exotic blossoms and greenery.

Day 06 (31-Dec-18) – Friday - Last Day of the Year

New Year Eve at Niagara Falls - (Queen Victoria Park)

• Illumination (Dec 31 |1630- 0200|) - Laser Light Shows & 3D Mapping Show
• Firework Series (Dec 31 at 2100 & midnight)

Niagara Sky Wheel (1000 – 0100 AM)

• Niagara SkyWheel is a 175-foot (53.3 m) tall Ferris wheel in the middle of Clifton Hill, Niagara Falls. It gives the views of the Niagara River, and the Horseshoe Falls and American Falls

Day 07 (01-Jan-19), Niagara Fall to Toronto City Via Bus

Day 07 (01-Jan-19) & Day 08 (02-Jan-19) in Toronto

St. Lawrence Market South (08:00 – 18:00)

• The St. Lawrence Market South building is a major public market building. It is located on the southwest corner of Front and Lower Jarvis Streets.

Eaton Center (10:00 – 21:30)

• Huge array of shops, clothiers & restaurants in a soaring, historic mall with a glass ceiling.

Toronto City Hall (08:00 – 16:30)

• The Toronto City Hall, or New City Hall, is the seat of the municipal government of Toronto and one of the city's most distinctive landmarks.

Day 09 - 03-Jan-19 Toronto to India and will reach India on Day 11 - 05-Jan-19

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

Is there any way through which i can attach my word or spreadsheet file on this forum ?

 

[Bryanna]

Myself

• Form 16 from employer (Last 3 Year)
  
• IT Return (Last 3 Year)
• Last Appraisal Letter
• Office ID Card
• NOC + Leave Sanction Letter
• Six Month Salary Slip
• Marriage Certificate
• Running Balance 4-5 lac

1. Any financial investments?
2. Any immovable assets?
3. Do you have other siblings who live in the same city as yourself?

Wife (Renewal Contract Job and it is renewed from last 8-9 year)

• Salary Certificate (Last 3 Year)
• IT Return (Last 3 Year)
• NOC Letter + Leave Sanction Letter
• Running Balance of 2-3 Lac

Same questions like for yourself

Daughter

• Birth Certificate
• School ID Card
• NOC Letter + Leave Sanction Letter
  
• Balance of 3.5 to 4 Lac (Amount only transferred by myself and my wife) and account managed by my Wife

Please do NOT apply for your daughter.

Unfortunately, both you and your wife have very weak applications. I don't wish to sound discouraging, I would put a less than 50% chance of a TRV approval for both of you:
1. Your employment (and income) are not strong enough to motivate a return to India

2. No immovable assets

3. Only one very short previous visit abroad as part of an organized tour

4. A very short 8 days visit to Canada which does not seem convincing as a tourist (Why would you spend significant amounts to travel/visit for just 8 days?)


I would encourage you/your wife to travel to other countries first + build up stronger ties before you apply

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

Hi Brayana

As per our earlier discussion, we have transferred one of our parent property in our name

So now our total Immovable Asset is 75 lacs (40 lacs in our parent name where currently we are living and 35 lacs other property which is now in our name) Movable asset is 32.50 lacs (LIC, Jewelry, Vehicle , Cash)

We have also taken CA certificate on the same

We are planning to travel 11 days i.e. 26-Dec-18 to 06-Jan-19

Is there any chance we have can get TRV approval with our daughter

Regards

1. Any financial investments?
2. Any immovable assets?
3. Do you have other siblings who live in the same city as yourself?


Same questions like for yourself



Please do NOT apply for your daughter.

Unfortunately, both you and your wife have very weak applications. I don't wish to sound discouraging, I would put a less than 50% chance of a TRV approval for both of you:
1. Your employment (and income) are not strong enough to motivate a return to India

2. No immovable assets

3. Only one very short previous visit abroad as part of an organized tour

4. A very short 8 days visit to Canada which does not seem convincing as a tourist (Why would you spend significant amounts to travel/visit for just 8 days?)


I would encourage you/your wife to travel to other countries first + build up stronger ties before you apply

 

[Bryanna]

As per our earlier discussion, we have transferred one of our parent property in our name

It would be evident that this has been done to create a tie to return to i.e. it is not a genuine transfer per se. It would seem like you're trying too hard to get TRVs.

So now our total Immovable Asset is 75 lacs (40 lacs in our parent name where currently we are living and 35 lacs other property which is now in our name)

Property owned by your parents cannot be included as a reason for you to return to India.

Movable asset is 32.50 lacs (LIC, Jewelry, Vehicle , Cash)

This cannot be included as funds available for your visit. No one would sell their jewelry or vehicle to fund a visit.

Cash must be accounted for as earned through legit sources + income tax paid for it.

We have also taken CA certificate on the same

The CA certificate will not help by itself. Proofs of property ownership + copies of financial investments, assets, etc must be included.

Is there any chance we have can get TRV approval with our daughter

You would have some chances of TRV approvals if you apply without your daughter.

That said, IMO, the chances of TRV approvals are quite low both for you and your wife. You would be wise if you do not apply for visas to Canada under the present circumstances

 

[JAYPEESINGH]

It would be evident that this has been done to create a tie to return to i.e. it is not a genuine transfer per se. It would seem like you're trying too hard to get TRVs.

I know i am doing hard to create tie to return India. My wife dream is to see Switzerland (Which we have already done) without visiting near by countries & Niagara Fall, for which we are trying to get TRV

In front of dream there is nothing our intention in not to hide we are well settled here and Why we invest 15-20 lac by visiting other countries to fulfill our dream


Property owned by your parents cannot be included as a reason for you to return to India.
Excepted


This cannot be included as funds available for your visit. No one would sell their jewelry or vehicle to fund a visit.

Cash must be accounted for as earned through legit sources + income tax paid for it.
As mentioned in our earlier communication we have around about 10 lacs cash (running balance) which is included in movable asset and its is earned by us and can be shown through IT retirn



The CA certificate will not help by itself. Proofs of property ownership + copies of financial investments, assets, etc must be included.
Excepted


You would have some chances of TRV approvals if you apply without your daughter.
That we have to think

That said, IMO, the chances of TRV approvals are quite low both for you and your wife. You would be wise if you do not apply for visas to Canada under the present circumstances

No issue, if visa not granted then we look for United States as ultimately my wife has to view Niagara Falls which we can also see from United States