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jamie hito

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Why do these happens?

Seems those Canadians who oppose these facts are naturalized citizens. Often you see those born, raised, and educated in Canada ends up pursuing their careers in California, Texas or other States. Yet seldom red, white and blue blooded American are seen on the streets of Toronto or middle Canada enjoying their practice of accounting, medicine nor working in the oil patches of Alberta.

Gimme your best argument!
 

itsmyid

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Why do these happens?

Seems those Canadians who oppose these facts are naturalized citizens. Often you see those born, raised, and educated in Canada ends up pursuing their careers in California, Texas or other States. Yet seldom red, white and blue blooded American are seen on the streets of Toronto or middle Canada enjoying their practice of accounting, medicine nor working in the oil patches of Alberta.

Gimme your best argument!
There are Americans in Toronto , but nobody can tell just by looking at them - most likely fewer than the number of Canadians in the US though . The reason is simple: fewer job opportunities
 

sns204

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There are Americans in Toronto , but nobody can tell just by looking at them - most likely fewer than the number of Canadians in the US though . The reason is simple: fewer job opportunities
That and y'all live in igloos up here. ;-)
 

jamie hito

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What?! NO!...
I was expecting furious replies from diehard naturalized citizens like “Canadians of convenience” and so forth.

Yeah, both of you are right. I guess this thread is close and dead after both your answers :)
 

itsmyid

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There was a surge of people asking about how to immigrate from the US to Canada after trump won the office , then they realized it’s unrealistic- those who could just pack up and go are most likely not going to meet the requirements for express entry
 

jamie hito

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There was a surge of people asking about how to immigrate from the US to Canada after trump won the office , then they realized it’s unrealistic- those who could just pack up and go are most likely not going to meet the requirements for express entry
Funny you mentioned President Trump’s winning.
All those actors and actresses, Madonna, Katy Perry and so forth all voiced they were leaving for Canada. But they’re still there!
 

dpenabill

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I was expecting furious replies . . .
That is called trolling.

At the risk of feeding the . . .

There is a far, far higher percentage of people living in Canada who are American citizens, than the percentage of people living in the U.S. who are Canadian citizens. Why is largely arithmetic. There are ten times as many Americans overall. No advanced degrees in trolling necessary.

The raw number of Canadians who have seasonal residences in the U.S. appears to be significantly greater than the number of Americans who have seasonal residences in Canada. Why is largely climate. No advanced degrees in baiting necessary.

The percentage of Canadians who leave Canada to work (thus live and work) in the U.S. is higher than the percentage of Americans who leave the U.S. to work in Canada, especially in certain sectors of the economy. In addition to the relative population sizes (again, the arithmetic), why is largely about the size of the respective economies. The state of California alone has a significantly larger economy than Canada. In fact, in some years the California economy alone (if it was a country) could qualify it to be in the G7 (California tends to be in the range comparable to the UK, France, and Brazil; the California economy was, for example, bigger in 2016 than either France or Brazil) while Canada is merely in the G20 group (not even in the top ten in 2016 for example). People tend to migrate toward employment.

In terms of raw numbers, however, how many Americans come to Canada versus the number of Canadians who go to the U.S., the number of applications for Permanent Residence going either way appears to be surprisingly small. The numbers for visitors, in contrast, is huge, albeit as the arithmetic would suggest, obviously the number of Americans visiting Canada way outnumbers the number of Canadians visiting the U.S.

As for respective attitudes, ideologies, and politics, there are many, many, many of us who got the message, love it or leave it. Gone. Gone, sadly recognizing how many we have had to leave behind in that S . . . hole of a country, family and friends who cannot emigrate . . . who cannot immigrate into Canada or elsewhere. Many of us consider ourselves to be the lucky ones. I know I am.


And, perhaps worth a small thought in passing . . .

Otherwise, many Canadians living in the U.S., including prominent Canadians, refer to themselves as "Canadians," as Canadians living/working in the U.S.

More than a few Americans living in Canada, FORMER Americans, who have become Canadian citizens (raising my hand enthusiastically), prefer to be considered "Canadian." Cannot begin to count the number of "Canadians" I know, living in Canada, who are more or less reluctant to acknowledge they also are or were American citizens.

No advanced degrees in manure-ology to sort out the implications.
 
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itsmyid

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That is called trolling.

At the risk of feeding the . . .

There is a far, far higher percentage of people living in Canada who are American citizens, than the percentage of people living in the U.S. who are Canadian citizens. Why is largely arithmetic. There are ten times as many Americans overall. No advanced degrees in trolling necessary.

The raw number of Canadians who have seasonal residences in the U.S. appears to be significantly greater than the number of Americans who have seasonal residences in Canada. Why is largely climate. No advanced degrees in baiting necessary.

The percentage of Canadians who leave Canada to work (thus live and work) in the U.S. is higher than the percentage of Americans who leave the U.S. to work in Canada, especially in certain sectors of the economy. In addition to the relative population sizes (again, the arithmetic), why is largely about the size of the respective economies. The state of California alone has a significantly larger economy than Canada. In fact, in some years the California economy alone (if it was a country) could qualify it to be in the G7 (California tends to be in the range comparable to the UK, France, and Brazil; the California economy was, for example, bigger in 2016 than either France or Brazil) while Canada is merely in the G20 group (not even in the top ten in 2016 for example). People tend to migrate toward employment.

In terms of raw numbers, however, how many Americans come to Canada versus the number of Canadians who go to the U.S., the number of applications for Permanent Residence going either way appears to be surprisingly small. The numbers for visitors, in contrast, is huge, albeit as the arithmetic would suggest, obviously the number of Americans visiting Canada way outnumbers the number of Canadians visiting the U.S.

As for respective attitudes, ideologies, and politics, there are many, many, many of us who got the message, love it or leave it. Gone. Gone, sadly recognizing how many we have had to leave behind in that S . . . hole of a country, family and friends who cannot emigrate . . . who cannot immigrate into Canada or elsewhere. Many of us consider ourselves to be the lucky ones. I know I am.


And, perhaps worth a small thought in passing . . .

Otherwise, many Canadians living in the U.S., including prominent Canadians, refer to themselves as "Canadians," as Canadians living/working in the U.S.

More than a few Americans living in Canada, FORMER Americans, who have become Canadian citizens (raising my hand enthusiastically), prefer to be considered "Canadian." Cannot begin to count the number of "Canadians" I know, living in Canada, who are more or less reluctant to acknowledge they also are or were American citizens.

No advanced degrees in manure-ology to sort out the implications.
It’s mostly the economics, that’s all... depending on your income and tax bracket , your family and health situation, and your professional skills , you can maximize your gain by living in a particular region, getting either better income or better social welfare, or both - and when the gain is significant enough, you will be motivated to make the move. That’s the case for most of the migrations (other than those for religious or political reasons ), not just between countries , but also between provinces and cities
 

jamie hito

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That is called trolling.

At the risk of feeding the . . .

There is a far, far higher percentage of people living in Canada who are American citizens, than the percentage of people living in the U.S. who are Canadian citizens. Why is largely arithmetic. There are ten times as many Americans overall. No advanced degrees in trolling necessary.

The raw number of Canadians who have seasonal residences in the U.S. appears to be significantly greater than the number of Americans who have seasonal residences in Canada. Why is largely climate. No advanced degrees in baiting necessary.

The percentage of Canadians who leave Canada to work (thus live and work) in the U.S. is higher than the percentage of Americans who leave the U.S. to work in Canada, especially in certain sectors of the economy. In addition to the relative population sizes (again, the arithmetic), why is largely about the size of the respective economies. The state of California alone has a significantly larger economy than Canada. In fact, in some years the California economy alone (if it was a country) could qualify it to be in the G7 (California tends to be in the range comparable to the UK, France, and Brazil; the California economy was, for example, bigger in 2016 than either France or Brazil) while Canada is merely in the G20 group (not even in the top ten in 2016 for example). People tend to migrate toward employment.

In terms of raw numbers, however, how many Americans come to Canada versus the number of Canadians who go to the U.S., the number of applications for Permanent Residence going either way appears to be surprisingly small. The numbers for visitors, in contrast, is huge, albeit as the arithmetic would suggest, obviously the number of Americans visiting Canada way outnumbers the number of Canadians visiting the U.S.

As for respective attitudes, ideologies, and politics, there are many, many, many of us who got the message, love it or leave it. Gone. Gone, sadly recognizing how many we have had to leave behind in that S . . . hole of a country, family and friends who cannot emigrate . . . who cannot immigrate into Canada or elsewhere. Many of us consider ourselves to be the lucky ones. I know I am.


And, perhaps worth a small thought in passing . . .

Otherwise, many Canadians living in the U.S., including prominent Canadians, refer to themselves as "Canadians," as Canadians living/working in the U.S.

More than a few Americans living in Canada, FORMER Americans, who have become Canadian citizens (raising my hand enthusiastically), prefer to be considered "Canadian." Cannot begin to count the number of "Canadians" I know, living in Canada, who are more or less reluctant to acknowledge they also are or were American citizens.

No advanced degrees in manure-ology to sort out the implications.
I just scrolled down on you as always. You have lots of time scribbling on this forum.

For the sake of making an argument and I will not dwell on accuracy to prove my point, Canada have 30 million people against The US of 300 million population. With 500 thousand Canadians immigrating south, you only have 250 thousand of their American counterparts. That is 16% of our countries total population leaning or have climbed over the fence against roughly 0.8% US nationals moving up here.

I think we both should come back when we are prepared rather not just our perception.
 

vasvas

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Why do these happens?

Seems those Canadians who oppose these facts are naturalized citizens. Often you see those born, raised, and educated in Canada ends up pursuing their careers in California, Texas or other States. Yet seldom red, white and blue blooded American are seen on the streets of Toronto or middle Canada enjoying their practice of accounting, medicine nor working in the oil patches of Alberta.

Gimme your best argument!
California's economy is larger than Canada's (or pretty close). So it's logical for US to be a land of more opportunities and hence more attractive to economic immigrants.
Permanent residence rates to Canada is higher than the relative size of the economy as Canada makes it easy for people to immigrate without having to hire lawyers and wait for years.
Canadians of convenience is a whole another thread.
 

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Generally speaking, USA has more economic/employment opportunities, its a big country with every state has large bustling metropolitan cities and even huge number of companies and services and all that.
Their currency has more power. You can get more bang for your dollar. Bigger items, bigger sales, large quantities. In Canada everything is in smaller quantity yet more expensive, and so much more tax on everything. Gas is cheaper in USA.
In USA many things such as clothing, shoes etc are exempt from taxes. Pay cash and you can avoid. A trip to grocery store is cheaper than a trip to grocery store in Canada. USA has more competition and more options, such as for cable/mobile/data communications, and cheaper, etc. Cheaper insurance, cheaper realeastate, etc.
Plus US has more cities with milder climate.
Canada has harsh weather and its very very expensive.
If I had a green card, I'd never consider Canada for living at all......