Parents and Grandparents Sponsorship 2017

[freddo]

Received email notification this morning to arrange Medical, send Police Certificate and also pay Right of Permanent Residence Fee.
Also from London Office.

 

[Cocoa]

Question:
Why would I be allowed to enter the lottery if I am not allowed to sponsor the person. Apparently you are not allowed to sponsor your "in-laws".

When I entered the lottery in January it was with the full knowledge that I would be co-signing/sponsoring my "Mother in law", whom I refer to as "my mother".

It appears when I submitted the application to participate in the parental lottery in January to sponsor my Mother in Law, it was completed with me ( daughter- in-law) as "the applicant/sponsor". When I have submitted the application with my husband the applicant (because he is her son, and me as the co- sponsor, cause I am the daughter in law), they have returned the application, stating the information is different from the information provided in the lottery, even though it was for the "same named person" to be sponsored.

How can I check what was "asked" and completed in the questionnaire to participate in the lottery?

I do not recall any question on my relationship to the person, I do recall them asking for my name and the person's name I wanted to sponsor. Can anyone else remember what was asked, or if it was clarified that you could not sponsor your "in laws"?

There wasn't a question to ask you the name of being sponsored. But the rule to enter the lotto says that you sponsor your own parents and G parents.

 

[mmacedo]

Hi, my wife is sponsoring her mother (I'm her co-signer). As we live in QC, there's an additional step between SA and local visa processing, which is the undertaking with QC immigration (MIDI). The undertaking was delivered to MIDI on October 13th. Yesterday, we received by snail mail MIDI's AOR and the fee receipt. Expecting the CSQ (QC selection certificate) by mid-November.

 

[chingwu]

Got a request of Medical and Police clearance certificate for parents this morning from London Embassy

Can you share your time line? Thanks a lot.

 

[Anonymous07]

Hello,

I had a query, 15 days ago CIC asked for my 2015 tax return papers. However, when I submitted my complete paper in June I had given all the tax return papers from 2014, 2015, 2016 but still they asked for only 2015 again. I sent it through fax because they mentioned that for faster service I need to send this way.

Did anyone else get any email like me? If so or if you know what the next step is please let me know. Thank you in advance.

 

[Rob_TO]

I do not recall any question on my relationship to the person, I do recall them asking for my name and the person's name I wanted to sponsor. Can anyone else remember what was asked, or if it was clarified that you could not sponsor your "in laws"?

It's pretty self explanatory just from what you wrote here. Nobody is eligible to sponsor in-laws. You can only be a co-signer to your spouse sponsoring them. So it's your spouse that must win the lottery spot, since they are the actual sponsor.

Sponsor and co-signer are 2 very different things.

 

[Canadanewbies]

Do you know where I can find what the rules stated? Or, exactly what information was asked for please.

I was sure I had to state the name of person I wanted to sponsor and I do not remember being asked if this person/persons were my mother/parents. I would also like to know, why I can't sponsor my "in laws" if my husband and I are co-sponsoring the person/s anyway.

There wasn't a question to ask you the name of being sponsored. But the rule to enter the lotto says that you sponsor your own parents and G parents.

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[Canadanewbies]

It's pretty self explanatory just from what you wrote here. Nobody is eligible to sponsor in-laws. You can only be a co-signer to your spouse sponsoring them. So it's your spouse that must win the lottery spot, since they are the actual sponsor.

Sponsor and co-signer are 2 very different things.

thanks, how is a sponsor and co-signer different?

I am taking on the same financial responsibility (regardless of sponsor/co-signer) for the person we are sponsoring. I am asked all the same questions and held equally accountable regardless of who's actual parent it is- that's why it is a marriage, our home does not do, your mom, my mom, we do Our parents!

 

[Rob_TO]

Do you know where I can find what the rules stated? Or, exactly what information was asked for please.

I was sure I had to state the name of person I wanted to sponsor and I do not remember being asked if this person/persons were my mother/parents. I would also like to know, why I can't sponsor my "in laws" if my husband and I are co-sponsoring the person/s anyway.


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You can't sponsor in-laws. You can only co-sign for your spouse sponsoring them. You are confusing what it means to be a sponsor and a co-signer, 2 very different things. It's not co-sponsoring, 1 person is the sponsor, and the other is a co-signer.

The rules are plainly obvious in this respect. You were correctly refused so there really isn't much point dwelling over the situation, just have your spouse (not you) submit their name into the lottery next year and hope for the best.

I am taking on the same financial responsibility (regardless of sponsor/co-signer) for the person we are sponsoring. I am asked all the same questions and held equally accountable regardless of who's actual parent it is- that's why it is a marriage, our home does not do, your mom, my mom, we do Our parents!

This is the rule from IRCC, going back to whenever the concept of a co-signer was invented (I assume decades ago). You can disagree all you want with it, but unfortunately that won't change anything.

 

[Canadanewbies]

Thanks Rob,

I get it should be "black or white", and I have subsequently found a CIC page that states you cannot sponsor your in-laws(?- not sure why not, cause if you are married and are co-signing, are you not sponsoring them by default anyway?).

I just want to know where, when I submitted my name into the lottery, instead of his name it stated, it had to be "my parent/s", cause, had I known at the time, I would have got my husband to complete the form, but, since I was the one doing the "lotto"...

I believe who's "parent/s" it is, is "semantics" as is "sponsor/co-signer" unless someone can explain what difference it makes to be one or the other.

I don't believe this issue (who's parents are you sponsoring) existed prior to the lottery, cause you where either the sponsor or the co-signer when completing the forms, not the "invited person". This really has only come about this year and I cannot be the only person who applied/was willing to sponsor their in-laws (not all in-laws are bad )

Entering the lotto again next year sounds great, except my MIL is 90, so personally, fighting BS semantic bureaucracy, this year, is certainly worth a load of effort, as does trying to ensure it doesn't happen to anyone else in the future.

 

[Rob_TO]

I just want to know where, when I submitted my name into the lottery, instead of his name it stated, it had to be "my parent/s", cause, had I known at the time, I would have got my husband to complete the form, but, since I was the one doing the "lotto"...

Can't recall what it specifically stated. But at this point, it's completely irrelevant. Even if it didn't explicitly state it, those were still the rules so there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it now. No point to dwell on the past as what's done is done.

I believe who's "parent/s" it is, is "semantics" as is "sponsor/co-signer" unless someone can explain what difference it makes to be one or the other.

All you need to know are what the IRCC rules are. A co-signer is not a sponsor, end of story. Why exactly IRCC decided on this rule or if it's not entirely logical, is irrelevant and won't change anything.

I don't believe this issue (who's parents are you sponsoring) existed prior to the lottery, cause you where either the sponsor or the co-signer when completing the forms, not the "invited person". This really has only come about this year and I cannot be the only person who applied/was willing to sponsor their in-laws (not all in-laws are bad )

Entering the lotto again next year sounds great, except my MIL is 90, so personally, fighting BS semantic bureaucracy, this year, is certainly worth a load of effort, as does trying to ensure it doesn't happen to anyone else in the future.

Actually while the first lottery was going on, many posters on this forum had this exact question and always got same responses that co-signers could NOT enter the lottery. Unfortunately it seems like you may have joined the forum a bit later.
(i.e. here is one such post I commented on at the time https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/sponsorship-of-mother-in-law-one-quick-question.468647/#post-5695595 )

Seeing as how many ineligible people applied for the lottery this year, you aren't the only one that misinterpreted the rules. Hopefully IRCC does a better job rolling out the 2018 lottery.

 

[Canadanewbies]

Thanks Rob, you are making me feel better while I rant.

But bare with me....

Having found the definitions according to the CIC website, it states the following:
Co-sponsor
A person or organization that partners with a private sponsor to share in the delivery of settlement assistance and support to privately sponsored refugees. Co-sponsors can be family members of the sponsored refugee living in Canada.

Family members
An applicant’s closest relatives, in the context of an application to CIC. It is defined as a spouse or common-law partner, dependent children, and their dependent children.

Sponsor
A Canadian citizen or permanent resident who is 18 years of age or older, and who legally supports a member of the Family Class to become a permanent resident of Canada.

I guess, my comment would be, are "in-laws", not part of "closest relatives"?

thanks

 

[swali2010]

Here you go:

Can you share your time line? Thanks a lot.

Application received in Mississauga : 05/26/2017
AOR Rceived (Date) : 06/28/2017
Decision Made for Sponsor : 08/09/2017
Sponsor Status Approval (Date) : 08/10/2017
Local Visa Office LVO : London
Medical and Police Clarence request (Date) : 10/25/2017

 

[swali2010]

Received email notification this morning to arrange Medical, send Police Certificate and also pay Right of Permanent Residence Fee.
Also from London Office.

Congrats to you.

Looks like London office is trying to win the race

 

[Rob_TO]

I guess, my comment would be, are "in-laws", not part of "closest relatives"?

No, in-laws are not defined as family members according to IRCC.