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Is COPR still valid document to reenter Canada by land?

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Earlier i saw COPR is one of the documents to travel by land (using private vehicles) but now i cant see it. Is the rule changed? Anyone heard or any idea about it?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=605&top=10
http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/travel-voyage/td-dv-eng.html
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/ifcrc-rpcrc-eng.html

Applying PRTD will take time and i cant use it for multiple entry. So is PR card the only solution for multiple entry travel?
 

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You don't even need the COPR. Just your passport is sufficient for CBSA to confirm your PR status.

Of course without COPR this may require a trip to secondary inspection and several hours of waiting before your PR status is confirmed. Having COPR can make the process a lot quicker.
 

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Ponga said:
You can travel in a private vehicle with your COPR.
Rob_TO said:
You don't even need the COPR. Just your passport is sufficient for CBSA to confirm your PR status.

Of course without COPR this may require a trip to secondary inspection and several hours of waiting before your PR status is confirmed. Having COPR can make the process a lot quicker.
Ok. Thanks.
 

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Rob_TO said:
You don't even need the COPR. Just your passport is sufficient for CBSA to confirm your PR status.

Of course without COPR this may require a trip to secondary inspection and several hours of waiting before your PR status is confirmed. Having COPR can make the process a lot quicker.
According to at least one CBSA officer, even with the COPR the chances of being sent to SI is quite high.
 

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Ponga said:
According to at least one CBSA officer, even with the COPR the chances of being sent to SI is quite high.
In the opinion of that 1 officer, perhaps he personally sends anyone with just COPR to SI.
Tons of people though report that with COPR they breeze through CBSA just as if they had a PR card. When my wife did it, it took all of 30 seconds for the first officer to confirm her status with only COPR and allow her entry. So I wouldn't put any low or high odds on if it happens or not. I think it's still random and depends on the particular officer.
 

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No particular document is required for a PR to enter Canada. But the PR must establish identity and status. Establishing identity, especially when by presenting a passport which is already associated with the individual's IRCC client number, usually suffices to establish status. This may require a referral to Secondary, but for most people this would be a relatively simple and brief referral. Unless some other issue is involved (suspected breach of PR RO for example), all that needs to be done is a fairly simple computer-based verification of identity and status. And once this has been done, near-future trips across that same border crossing, particularly if using the same vehicle and it is owned by the PR, should result in being waived through without a referral to Secondary . . . subject to incidental reasons for a referral, and of course for a reasonable period of time until a PR card is obtained.


Very few referrals to Secondary for immigration purposes are random. Overwhelming majority of referrals to Secondary are criteria based, subject of course to the personal application of the criteria by the individual PIL officer conducting the Primary Line Inspection interview.

Foremost observation: Reason why the PR does not have a currently valid PR card is a big factor in how things will go at a PoE when seeking entry into Canada. Beyond that, the PR’s circumstances and history are also big factors. There will be a reason for the referral.

Presenting an expired PR card and passport is better than presenting CoPR and passport. For many in this situation (PR card expired, waiting for new card to be issued), their circumstances are not complicated, and while they may be referred to Secondary this should not be a difficult or lengthy affair so long as, of course, they are settled in Canada and there is no indication of any issue about compliance with the PR RO. Subsequent crossings at the same PoE and in the near future should go easily without any additional referral to Secondary. . . . really helps if the traveler is driving the same vehicle, especially one registered to the traveler, each time.

For new PR who has not yet been issued a PR card, first trip back may similarly result in a minimal Secondary referral but subsequent travel across the same land border crossing should be incident or referral free . . . again, really helps if the traveler is driving the same vehicle, especially one registered to the traveler, each time.

Obviously, though, any PR with potential issues, or (other than a new PR) who is not well settled in Canada, or whose compliance with the PR RO is open to questions, faces a much higher risk of the Secondary referral.

Obviously, travel via the U.S. from beyond the U.S. will increase the risk of a Secondary referral (for a PR without a valid PR card).

There are scores of particular factors which can trigger the referral to Secondary.

But the main factors which determine whether there is a referral to Secondary (for immigration purposes) are tied to:
-- who the traveler is
-- the traveler’s status
-- the identification or status documents or Travel Documents the traveler presents
-- the traveler’s immigration history
-- the traveler’s border-crossing history
-- the traveler’s demeanor when responding to the PIL officer’s questions
-- the content of the traveler’s answers, taken in context (including all the above)
-- FOSS notes or alerts regarding the particular traveler
-- the traveler’s means of transportation, also considered in context

The PIL officer’s role is not to make conclusive judgments about the traveler, but rather it is simply to identify if there is a reason, under the criteria-in-force, to subject the traveler to further examination prior to being allowed to enter Canada. For determining who is referred, the bar is quite low, but nonetheless high enough that the vast majority of travelers are not referred to Secondary for immigration purposes. But then again, the vast majority of travelers entering Canada are either Canadian citizens or Canadian PRs (both of whom are entitled to enter Canada) or U.S. citizens (who are routinely waived into Canada), and they present appropriate documentation establishing both their identity and their status.

Incidental factors include criteria-of-the-day (or week, or month, or such), which can be implemented by CBSA across the board, or just in certain regions, or even a criteria-of-the-day for a specific PoE.

Incidental factors include the biases and intuitions and propensities of the individual PIL officer conducting the Primary Line Inspection interview.

Incidental factors can include alerts among other things which can lead PIL officers to pay particular attention to certain types of travelers or certain circumstances, and so on.

All that said, unless the particular PoE is especially busy, or it is a slow time with minimal staff on duty such as late night or early morning, or there are language issues, even if the examining officer in Secondary needs to do some research to verify identity and status, the PR who presents a passport previously used when interacting with IRCC should encounter only a brief delay, not hours, with some exceptions (concerns based on photo versus individual’s appearance for example). And obviously, any PR for whom there may be PR RO compliance concerns, there could be related questioning and potentially procedures if the Secondary officer concludes there was a breach of the PR RO.
 
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dpenabill said:
No particular document is required for a PR to enter Canada. But the PR must establish identity and status. Establishing identity, especially when by presenting a passport which is already associated with the individual's IRCC client number, usually suffices to establish status. This may require a referral to Secondary, but for most people this would be a relatively simple and brief referral. Unless some other issue is involved (suspected breach of PR RO for example), all that needs to be done is a fairly simple computer-based verification of identity and status. And once this has been done, near-future trips across that same border crossing, particularly if using the same vehicle and it is owned by the PR, should result in being waived through without a referral to Secondary . . . subject to incidental reasons for a referral, and of course for a reasonable period of time until a PR card is obtained.

All that said, unless the particular PoE is especially busy, or it is a slow time with minimal staff on duty such as late night or early morning, or there are language issues, even if the examining officer in Secondary needs to do some research to verify identity and status, the PR who presents a passport previously used when interacting with IRCC should encounter only a brief delay, not hours, with some exceptions (concerns based on photo versus individual’s appearance for example). And obviously, any PR for whom there may be PR RO compliance concerns, there could be related questioning and potentially procedures if the Secondary officer concludes there was a breach of the PR RO.
Thank you for the detailed explanation.
 

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Crossed Border three times with CORP, pl keep all the documents that you sent with PR Application, might be helpful as supporting documents
 
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I emailed the consulate last week on this if i can use COPR to reenter the country by personal car. This is the email i got as a response. They are not really encouraging/telling directly that I can use COPR. I called CBSA office and was told i require PR card to enter.

I am thinking that they are changing the rules on using COPR or already changed the rules, thats why the update on this website too on COPR disappeared as one of the documents. Dont know.

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Dear Sir/Madam,

If you do not have a valid PR card, you will be required to apply for a PR Travel Document abroad.

Refer to our website:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/travel.asp

You must provide salient evidence you meet the residency requirements when you apply for PRTD:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5529ETOC.asp

As a recently-landed PR, a copy of your landing document will suffice as evidence as we are able to verify that your PR card is in process in our database.

You must submit the application for PRTD (fee: $50) to the Visa Application Center in NY. (Please note that the Consulate does not offer any direct services to the public whether in person or by mail. All applications must go through the VAC.):
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/offices/vac.asp

http://www.csc-cvac.com/en-US/selfservice/cvac_welcome

Processing may take up to 30 days, but is usually much faster (only several days), especially as a recently-landed PR. You may request urgent processing from the VAC at the time of application.

Thank you.

Immigration Section
Consulate General of Canada
1251 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020
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harirajmohan said:
I emailed the consulate last week on this if i can use COPR to reenter the country by personal car. This is the email i got as a response. They are not really encouraging/telling directly that I can use COPR. I called CBSA office and was told i require PR card to enter.

I am thinking that they are changing the rules on using COPR or already changed the rules, thats why the update on this website too on COPR disappeared as one of the documents. Dont know.
As stated multiple times, you don't need PR card nor COPR to enter Canada by land. All you need is a passport for CBSA to confirm your PR status and allow you entry.

Having COPR will simply help the initial CBSA officer determine your status quicker and hopefully bypass need to go to secondary inspection where it could be delay of minutes to a couple hours being processed depending on how busy it happens to be.
 

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The email is the stock response and does not distinguish PRs who are traveling by commercial transportation from those who have private means to reach a PoE on the Canadian border. IRCC never has managed nuance well.

The reason your passport plus CoPR suffices, once you reach the PoE, is because a PR is entitled to entry by statute. As previously noted, all that is required is that the PR establish identity and status. And as is noted in the email, a person's status can be confirmed in the IRCC database, which CBSA has access to at the border. Once the border officer is satisfied your identity is established, and the computer confirms your PR status, they cannot deny entry. They must allow entry.

Obviously they prefer PRs carry and present a valid PR card. But for a new PR during the relatively brief time before a PR card is delivered, this really is no big deal.

But this will only work for those traveling by private transportation.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input/suggestion. This weekend i traveled with COPR and passport.

Had the short trip at Windsor, ON port of entry via the personal car. No issues except below questions:
Whats the purpose of the trip? (i thought i wont be asked this question)
Are you coming for the first time for immigration? ( I said no and told that i landed in other city earlier and this is the second time).
(note: to avoid the scrutiny in ontario i first landed earlier at saskatoon as it was SK PNP)
You are yet to received your PR card? (i said that yes i would be getting it next month)
Where are you headed? (i said Windsor,ON for bank account related)
Just for bank account opening? (i told i had appointment at bank for activating the bank account which i had to explain that i opened the account while i was outside and stuff. )

Overall its fine.
 

rufoven

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hello, a uestion about this, my wife has teh same situation, and she does'nt meet the permanent resident days , but if she is allowed to entry by walkind in border, how the americans knows that she is not in USA? we can ask for a stamp or a record before pass to Canadian POE? thank you!!
 

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hello, a question! if my wife is in USA and she cross de border in Plattsburgh, she doenst have PR card, just de COPR letter, should the US border control knows that she leaves the country? we can ask for a atampo or something like this? we dont want to have any problem in the future if she want to go to USA, thanks