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Automatic Trigger for "secondary review" in PR card renewal

quasar81

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Feb 27, 2014
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Hello Experts,

Just curious if there are some automatic triggers for secondary review process?

1) Residency number of days:

There is 2 yrs(730 days) out of last 5 years residency requirement for PR status maintenance.

If the residence is little bit <800 days, lets say 790 days - is it some kind of an automatic trigger for "Secondary review"? or it is just a 'higher probability' of Secondary review.

Anybody can get Secondary review irrespective of number of days, but just curious if slightly >800days residence(let us say 805days) in Canada is less likely to trigger Secondary review than 790 days?

2) Sending application 1 weeks after PR card expired
Is an application after PR card expiry also a trigger for "Secondary review", even if it is 1 week after expiry, assuming residency obligations are met?
 

ttrajan

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It is discretion of the officer and the submission of proof of your stay in Canada.
 

ttrajan

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See check list. You can attach passport stampings, rental agreements, IT returns, college records etc.
 

dpenabill

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I am no expert.

What criteria is employed by IRCC to screen PR card applicants is not public information. It is even unclear why some are sent for SR while others, who IRCC clearly has concerns about their compliance with the PR RO, are promptly sent the request for information and documentation pursuant to a formal Residency Determination.

Around 2012 or 2013 CIC briefly posted an Operational Bulletin which it soon took off line, which specifically listed the checklist of criteria used in doing counter-interviews for PRs required to pick up the PR card in person. I have a copy somewhere but probably on a hard drive in a box somewhere in my office area (which appears to be more like a poorly run landfill site than a work space). It was very similar to the triage criteria for issuing RQ to citizenship applicants, which was leaked in 2012 (the OB 407 version of the File Requirements Checklist).

I have posted a fair bit about cutting-it-close, but there is no magic number of days, one way or the other. As I oft point out, both appearance and context matter. Which means what the other facts are and what the PR's history is matter. Just because two PRs both happen to have been present in Canada a mere 850 days (well less than half the time) during the five years that count does not mean they will both encounter the same processing. Many other factors can influence how it goes.

My sense is that any indication the PR is not fully settled and living in Canada permanently will at least increase the risk of additional scrutiny by a lot. What indicates not being fully settled and living permanently in Canada will, of course, vary considerably depending on a wide range of facts.

My sense is also that SR tends to be focused on applicants perceived to have been involved in some fraud (or otherwise scamming the system), living abroad, or likely to leave Canada to live abroad. Not that you will see many who have been dragged into SR admitting there is any possible reason for IRCC to have such a perception. But there almost always is.

In terms of more specific factors, while there are undoubtedly many others, some examples I can guess include:
-- cutting-it-close (less time in Canada than outside Canada is probably cutting-it-close, but obviously less than 800 days is cutting it a lot closer)
-- applying soon after returning to Canada after an absence longer than a routine holiday (longer than, say, a couple or three weeks, for most people anyway)
-- leaving Canada for an extended time after applying
-- job history in Canada not sufficient to support the PR without obvious other means of support (suggesting employment, income abroad)
-- long-term work or residential status abroad

But there are many things which can draw negative, skeptical attention. Even which PoE a PR uses, when traveling to and from Canada, in relationship to where the PR reports living and working, if incongruous for someone living and working where the PR claims, could trigger elevated scrutiny. IRCC can compare residential address with work address, or check for information in LinkedIn or other websites. And so on.

To be clear: the vast majority of legitimate PRs who have settled in Canada permanently will not encounter delays when they apply for a new PR card, be that six months or a week before the card expires, or six months or a week after the card expires.



quasar81 said:
Hello Experts,

Just curious if there are some automatic triggers for secondary review process?

1) Residency number of days:

There is 2 yrs(730 days) out of last 5 years residency requirement for PR status maintenance.

If the residence is little bit <800 days, lets say 790 days - is it some kind of an automatic trigger for "Secondary review"? or it is just a 'higher probability' of Secondary review.

Anybody can get Secondary review irrespective of number of days, but just curious if slightly >800days residence(let us say 805days) in Canada is less likely to trigger Secondary review than 790 days?

2) Sending application 1 weeks after PR card expired
Is an application after PR card expiry also a trigger for "Secondary review", even if it is 1 week after expiry, assuming residency obligations are met?
 

quasar81

Hero Member
Feb 27, 2014
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dpenabill said:
I am no expert.

What criteria is employed by IRCC to screen PR card applicants is not public information. It is even unclear why some are sent for SR while others, who IRCC clearly has concerns about their compliance with the PR RO, are promptly sent the request for information and documentation pursuant to a formal Residency Determination.

Around 2012 or 2013 CIC briefly posted an Operational Bulletin which it soon took off line, which specifically listed the checklist of criteria used in doing counter-interviews for PRs required to pick up the PR card in person. I have a copy somewhere but probably on a hard drive in a box somewhere in my office area (which appears to be more like a poorly run landfill site than a work space). It was very similar to the triage criteria for issuing RQ to citizenship applicants, which was leaked in 2012 (the OB 407 version of the File Requirements Checklist).

I have posted a fair bit about cutting-it-close, but there is no magic number of days, one way or the other. As I oft point out, both appearance and context matter. Which means what the other facts are and what the PR's history is matter. Just because two PRs both happen to have been present in Canada a mere 850 days (well less than half the time) during the five years that count does not mean they will both encounter the same processing. Many other factors can influence how it goes.

My sense is that any indication the PR is not fully settled and living in Canada permanently will at least increase the risk of additional scrutiny by a lot. What indicates not being fully settled and living permanently in Canada will, of course, vary considerably depending on a wide range of facts.

My sense is also that SR tends to be focused on applicants perceived to have been involved in some fraud (or otherwise scamming the system), living abroad, or likely to leave Canada to live abroad. Not that you will see many who have been dragged into SR admitting there is any possible reason for IRCC to have such a perception. But there almost always is.

In terms of more specific factors, while there are undoubtedly many others, some examples I can guess include:
-- cutting-it-close (less time in Canada than outside Canada is probably cutting-it-close, but obviously less than 800 days is cutting it a lot closer)
-- applying soon after returning to Canada after an absence longer than a routine holiday (longer than, say, a couple or three weeks, for most people anyway)
-- leaving Canada for an extended time after applying
-- job history in Canada not sufficient to support the PR without obvious other means of support (suggesting employment, income abroad)
-- long-term work or residential status abroad

But there are many things which can draw negative, skeptical attention. Even which PoE a PR uses, when traveling to and from Canada, in relationship to where the PR reports living and working, if incongruous for someone living and working where the PR claims, could trigger elevated scrutiny. IRCC can compare residential address with work address, or check for information in LinkedIn or other websites. And so on.

To be clear: the vast majority of legitimate PRs who have settled in Canada permanently will not encounter delays when they apply for a new PR card, be that six months or a week before the card expires, or six months or a week after the card expires.

Me and my wife will be sending in application with only 802 days, and then you can see me in the "Secondary Review" thread telling my timelines ??? ::) ??? ::)
 

heeradeepak

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Jun 1, 2014
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quasar81 said:
Me and my wife will be sending in application with only 802 days, and then you can see me in the "Secondary Review" thread telling my timelines ??? ::) ??? ::)
No very few chances because you are applying under Liberal regime long waiting secondary review is for us who applied during harper regime and liberals purposely not touching those files, now latest PR renewal cases are very few in secondary review. I told my children no more support for liberals.
 

quasar81

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Feb 27, 2014
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heeradeepak said:
No very few chances because you are applying under Liberal regime long waiting secondary review is for us who applied during harper regime and liberals purposely not touching those files, now latest PR renewal cases are very few in secondary review. I told my children no more support for liberals.
I don't think liberals have made processing times any better. Their focus was refugees and they did it. People who are here continue to be harrassed by CIC with Secondary reviews and citizenship judge(3yrs!!) waits.
 

heeradeepak

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quasar81 said:
I don't think liberals have made processing times any better. Their focus was refugees and they did it. People who are here continue to be harrassed by CIC with Secondary reviews and citizenship judge(3yrs!!) waits.
Yes agreed 100% remember next elections are only 3 years away. we can do a lot.
 

AJK_9

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Jun 30, 2012
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quasar81 said:
I don't think liberals have made processing times any better. Their focus was refugees and they did it. People who are here continue to be harrassed by CIC with Secondary reviews and citizenship judge(3yrs!!) waits.
You are right, this is the example of totally Immature Politicians.......only working for Refugees... at the cost of Citizens & PR...no more words......At present Canada's Gold Reserve at Bottom for the sake of Refugees....a day will come when Refugees will run country....
 

AJK_9

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Jun 30, 2012
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quasar81 said:
I don't think liberals have made processing times any better. Their focus was refugees and they did it. People who are here continue to be harrassed by CIC with Secondary reviews and citizenship judge(3yrs!!) waits.
You are right, this is the example of totally Immature Politicians.......only working for Refugees... at the cost of Citizens & PR...no more words......At present Canada's Gold Reserve at Bottom for the sake of Refugees....a day will come when Refugees will run country....
 

tom94063

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May 1, 2013
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Thanks quasar81 for starting this topic. It's exactly what I wanted to post.

What about 802 days and request "urgent processing"? Does that trigger secondary review?
As of today (Aug 10,2016) I have completed 755 days!!. A bit of my background, I came back to Canada July 2014 after 4+ years of absence( was also warned/lectured at the airport), and have never left the country since then as I am sure they made a note on my file. I got a job in Oct 2014. PR card expired since May 2015. I would want to wait till 800 days at the end of Sept but I am worried that if I do not request urgent processing I will not be able to travel in Dec. I really really need to see my family back home. Or what is the suggestion?
 

amodmallya

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AJK_9 said:
You are right, this is the example of totally Immature Politicians.......only working for Refugees... at the cost of Citizens & PR...no more words......At present Canada's Gold Reserve at Bottom for the sake of Refugees....a day will come when Refugees will run country....
Are you being sarcastic here?

Do you know the dire conditions of the refugees? I like you am waiting in line to get my PR but there is a big difference here.

While you are hoping for a better life in a different country, refugees over there are wondering if they will HAVE A life at all.

Whenever you get frustrated about the wait times and about immigration, just remember this 'Immigration is not a right. It is a state privilege!' They will get to you when they get to you. I moved to the US in 2012 and finally after 4 years, i am having to leave the country early next year. If they do not want me, i will go somewhere else but i wont be complaining about how the H1 lottery screwed me over and how the government sucks.

The Canadian gold reserves must be down but I do not know how that changes anything. I do not know where you are currently residing but i am sure you have not made a noteworthy contribution to that country's gold reserves.
 

quasar81

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Feb 27, 2014
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amodmallya said:
Are you being sarcastic here?

Do you know the dire conditions of the refugees? I like you am waiting in line to get my PR but there is a big difference here.

While you are hoping for a better life in a different country, refugees over there are wondering if they will HAVE A life at all.

Whenever you get frustrated about the wait times and about immigration, just remember this 'Immigration is not a right. It is a state privilege!' They will get to you when they get to you. I moved to the US in 2012 and finally after 4 years, i am having to leave the country early next year. If they do not want me, i will go somewhere else but i wont be complaining about how the H1 lottery screwed me over and how the government sucks.

The Canadian gold reserves must be down but I do not know how that changes anything. I do not know where you are currently residing but i am sure you have not made a noteworthy contribution to that country's gold reserves.
If somebody follows the rules after becoming immigrants - then PR card renewal and citizenship is a right, after following all the rules. No harassment is due.
 

torontosm

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Apr 3, 2013
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quasar81 said:
If somebody follows the rules after becoming immigrants - then PR card renewal and citizenship is a right, after following all the rules. No harassment is due.
If you have truly followed the rules, then you will get your PR card renewed and your citizenship as well. You just have to be patient.