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Beelzebowler

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Hi guys. I have a difficult question. I've been in BC since December 11 to live with my Canadian fiancée and her three children. We also now have a girl of our own. I've received my invitation to apply for express entry and started filling in the application for permanent residency. Straight away I've encountered a sticky question. I'm being asked what my relationship to the children is, parent or guardian. I'm not a guardian as I haven't been appointed by a court. But surely a parent means biological parent? The children see their biological father every other weekend, but I'm involved in the day to day stuff as if I were their parent. Can anyone give me a little guidance please?
 

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Are you filling out your profile or acctual application?
In the pr aplication it will ask for your relationship with them and there you will writte step child of biological child. Choose according to your situation.

If given a choice i would probably go with parent and specify later
 

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That is odd.i know i had biological child option.
perhaps it is because my last name is different from my sons... i dont know :/
 

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Beelzebowler said:
Hi guys. I have a difficult question. I've been in BC since December 11 to live with my Canadian fiancée and her three children. We also now have a girl of our own. I've received my invitation to apply for express entry and started filling in the application for permanent residency. Straight away I've encountered a sticky question. I'm being asked what my relationship to the children is, parent or guardian. I'm not a guardian as I haven't been appointed by a court. But surely a parent means biological parent? The children see their biological father every other weekend, but I'm involved in the day to day stuff as if I were their parent. Can anyone give me a little guidance please?
Same problem here, stuck on the very 1st question. My partner has children, but I am not their parent/guardian. There are no other options to choose from?
 

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ok.. I did some research, and here :http://www.justicebc.ca/en/fam/basics/parent/am-i-guardian.html it says that:

"A step-parent is not a guardian unless the court has appointed them guardian of the child."

this is what I originaly assumed. Guardians generaly have even more legal rights than parents., as you can be a parent and not be a guardian of the child.

so.. again, if there really are just those two options, then definitely go with Parent ( unless you have some court papers that make you their guardian) .

I just checked my submitted information and found that I had options like biological child and step child. CIC does it again.. send a CSE about is and give it a few days..
 

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I am not an expert and do not mean to offend, but thought this was an unusual position to be in especially as you are not married or in a legal common law relationship (until 11 December). If you have only those two choices it sounds like parent with a clear letter of explanation attached. I can't understand how these children became part of your application in the first place as there appears to be no legal relationship? I do not mean to denigrate the bond you have with your fiance's children, but i don't understand how or why they needed to be mentioned to start with?
 

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hi friends,

after receiving ITA
i am filling forms

there is a question

We need to know some information about ABC's family. Tell us about his/her family.

Please tell us about ABC's immediate family members that have not been identified in the application.

This includes any parent, any spouse or common-law partner, any child including adult children, and any brothers or sisters. If the relative is deceased, provide the date of death.


i have mentioned my father mother sisters brother

but as my wife and daughter are already mentioned in the application
so do i need to mention them here again?
 

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nickarter84 said:
hi friends,

after receiving ITA
i am filling forms

there is a question

We need to know some information about ABC's family. Tell us about his/her family.

Please tell us about ABC's immediate family members that have not been identified in the application.

This includes any parent, any spouse or common-law partner, any child including adult children, and any brothers or sisters. If the relative is deceased, provide the date of death.


i have mentioned my father mother sisters brother

but as my wife and daughter are already mentioned in the application
so do i need to mention them here again?
it says: "family members that have not been identified in the application." so no, you do not need to mention your wife and children again
 

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yelena said:
it says: "family members that have not been identified in the application." so no, you do not need to mention your wife and children again

+1
 

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Pippin said:
I am not an expert and do not mean to offend, but thought this was an unusual position to be in especially as you are not married or in a legal common law relationship (until 11 December). If you have only those two choices it sounds like parent with a clear letter of explanation attached. I can't understand how these children became part of your application in the first place as there appears to be no legal relationship? I do not mean to denigrate the bond you have with your fiance's children, but i don't understand how or why they needed to be mentioned to start with?
he says she is his fiancee., so they are in a relationship, and she should be included in this application., and so do her children. you need to include children of your spouse or partner.
 

Pippin

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Agreed they are in a serious relationship, but it isn't one bound by law. The Canadian fiancé cannot sponsor her partner yet. If they split up before the wedding, would he be responsible for supporting the children who were not his? I doubt it. That's all I am trying to ask here and it is partially ignorance on my part as I have never seen the application forms. When you say one must I nclude the children of their spouse or partner, I am thinking that person must already be a legal partner, whether through marriage or common law status. A
Step parent does not become one until the relationship is recognized legally, as far as I know. Has
Anyone found CIC guidelines for this situation, perhaps in Family stream? All the best.
 

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The family members who can come with you to Canada when you immigrate include:

your spouse or common-law partner,
your dependent child,
your spouse or common-law partner’s dependent child, and
a dependent child of a dependent child.


They are enageged and live together., so she and her children can be included.
they will have to prove the relationship with a lot of documents, but this is not the topic here..
 

Pippin

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Hi Yelena. Yes, that's the official wording thanks. But being engaged and living together for 10 months does not constitute a legal relationship (spouse or common law partner) in Canada. In addition, the fiance's Canadian children are already here and do not need sponsorship. I couldn't sleep tossing this back and forth in my mind at 3 am! I think he needs to get advice from an experienced IMM consultant.
 

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Pippin said:
I couldn't sleep tossing this back and forth in my mind at 3 am!
lol :) I had to laugh.. the things we do to ourselves.. like it isn't enough we can't sleep because of our own problems ;) please don't loose sleeps over other people :-*