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moksha80

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Apr 12, 2014
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I came to canada on a work permit tied to my employer and have now completed over 1 year of experience in canada in multiple entries in last 2 years. However my work permit is going to expire soon and i want to apply for PR under CEC. However i am not very positive whether my company will give me the reference letter with all the details that are needed by the CIC. But my colleagues who are working here and the client wants them to continue their job onsite, my employer is given them these letters.

I will be going back to my home country and not sure whether i will be continuing my working for the same client and hence not sure whether ill get a chance to even come back on a work permit. My concern here is anyone here from a Indian IT company has applied under CEC without a proper reference letter (which is needed by CIC) and got the PR. I have the copies of my play slips, Tax Returns, Deputation letter, Client letter, Work permit, a general letter stating that i am employed with my employer with my generic job title and from what date i am working with my employer.

I can try asking for such a reference letter, but considering my chance of not continuing in the same project i am not sure whether my manger in india will authorize the reference letter. Hence what are my options in this case. I would really appreciate the help from the senior members who have gone through such similar situation.
 

DavisJun2013

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Apr 10, 2014
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moksha80 said:
I came to canada on a work permit tied to my employer and have now completed over 1 year of experience in canada in multiple entries in last 2 years. However my work permit is going to expire soon and i want to apply for PR under CEC. However i am not very positive whether my company will give me the reference letter with all the details that are needed by the CIC. But my colleagues who are working here and the client wants them to continue their job onsite, my employer is given them these letters.

I will be going back to my home country and not sure whether i will be continuing my working for the same client and hence not sure whether ill get a chance to even come back on a work permit. My concern here is anyone here from a Indian IT company has applied under CEC without a proper reference letter (which is needed by CIC) and got the PR. I have the copies of my play slips, Tax Returns, Deputation letter, Client letter, Work permit, a general letter stating that i am employed with my employer with my generic job title and from what date i am working with my employer.

I can try asking for such a reference letter, but considering my chance of not continuing in the same project i am not sure whether my manger in india will authorize the reference letter. Hence what are my options in this case. I would really appreciate the help from the senior members who have gone through such similar situation.

I had the same case when I applied last year, I wasn't sure if my employer will give reference letter. I just took a letter from them which shows -
Start date in Canada
Salary and Designation.
I attached a word document saying that my employer won't provide any further information than the letter which I got and said that I am attaching last 12 months pay stubs and Bank statement.
later after I got AOR, I came to know that my employer started giving Reference letters, So I took reference letter and sent a Scanned copy to CIC but I never got a response from them for that.

Now I got Medical, RPRF & Biodata done, waiting for PPR request.

hope this info helps..
 

moksha80

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Apr 12, 2014
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So basically you did send a reference letter after you received it from your employer. However, my question is that what happens if you don't get such a letter from the employer. It basically appears that we are at the mercy of employers.
 

DavisJun2013

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Apr 10, 2014
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moksha80 said:
So basically you did send a reference letter after you received it from your employer. However, my question is that what happens if you don't get such a letter from the employer. It basically appears that we are at the mercy of employers.
I did send it later but I am not sure if my letter was considered as I sent it after I got AOR and without request from CIC. When I Called Call Center about this they told, Visa office might not look at the docs which are sent later without asking for it.
 

lpc19800

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May 21, 2013
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February 24 2013
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The reference letter contains the duties - it's easy to prove you worked somewhere but think of it in terms of proving you worked in that specific job which in turn is tied to the noc you applied under.
A job description showing your duties and job title as well as an offer letter (or contract) matching the job title could be sufficient but would still need an explanation letter as to why the reference isn't included in the application package
 

moksha80

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The problem with the indian IT companies is that they don't usually give such letters which has a detailed description of your roles and responsibilities, Number of hours of work per week and your salary. They know that these kind of letters are usually asked for immigration and they don't want their employees to immigrate and find greener pastures. Its ingrained mentality that the employee is a bonded labor and they they have no such obligation legally to give such documents. And god forbid if you dont have a good working relationship with your immediate supervisor, then at times like these they will show their grudge and take it as a personal vendetta. Hence what option does one have to still convince CIC that the person has legitimate working experience in the NOC he applied under CEC. :(
Sadly this is the bitter truth and there is no escape if you want to have food on your plate by not losing your job.
 

TeddyXYZ

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Oct 1, 2013
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18-10-2013
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18-06-2014
Maybe it's off the topic but I can't understand why some of the companies making problem to give to people reference letter.
 

moksha80

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Apr 12, 2014
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Is it important to submit the reference letter from the employer which has details of your job roles and responsibilities, work hours, salary etc.. while working in canada, or is it also ok that we can submit a letter with the details from your home country, in my case India i.e what is my Roles and Responsibility, working hours per week, and annual salary in india.
 

thisisauser

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moksha80 said:
Is it important to submit the reference letter from the employer which has details of your job roles and responsibilities, work hours, salary etc.. while working in canada, or is it also ok that we can submit a letter with the details from your home country, in my case India i.e what is my Roles and Responsibility, working hours per week, and annual salary in india.
The letter must be from the Canadian employer who employed you for a position in Canada.
 

moksha80

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Apr 12, 2014
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Well my indian employer sent me to canada on a deputation. They also have a local office in canada, hence if i get a letter for my job in india will that help or its absolutely must that the letter should mention the details about my job in canada.
 

ankur21

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Apr 16, 2014
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Hi Moksha80,
I think we both are in same boat,I am also struggling to get the employer reference letter,well did you find any other alternative which can fulfill this CIC requirement.
Please let me know
 

neochan

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ankur21 said:
Hi Moksha80,
I think we both are in same boat,I am also struggling to get the employer reference letter,well did you find any other alternative which can fulfill this CIC requirement.
Please let me know
Hi Guys, I found something that might help us with reference letter alternatives... it's a bit old, 2012 post but a good read.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t97004.0.html


FROM RAMBO2012 POST BACK IN 2012....


Employment Reference Letters:
ORIGINAL or CERTIFIED/NOTARIZED COPIES

Letters of reference from your employers constitute a key component of your application for Permanent Residence.

IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE A REFERENCE FROM YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER, PLEASE PROVIDE A WRITTEN EXPLANATION.

As a general rule, reference letters must be issued with a date, signed by a supervisory officer at the place of employment. They MUST be on original company's letterhead, showing the company's full address, contact details, and be stamped with the company's official seal.

Letters from your current and former (if any) employers describing your work experience are a very important part of your application. These letters should be detailed and must show the Canadian Immigration officer that you performed certain work activities for a specific duration in accordance with your skills and qualifications.
The letter(s) should clearly describe the duties and tasks of your particular position.

IMPORTANT NOTES:

• Letters that only indicate position, salary, and a statement that “he was a very good employee and we would hire him again” may not be sufficient! These letters are missing the important details of the applicant's performance while working with the company.

• Employment Reference letters must include the following:
-the specific period of your employment with the company;
-the position(s) you have held during the period of employment and the time spent in each position
-your main responsibilities in each position;
-if possible, your total annual salary

Elements of A Good Employment Letter (Worksheet)

A good job related reference letter gives many details. It lists the projects you worked on, and the achievements you accomplished. Very importantly, it should also describe your day-to-day duties and tasks. These daily tasks may seem mundane, but they often demonstrate that you perform the duties of a certain position, and that you possess the required basic skills. It is important that the letter demonstrates that you know the basic skills of your position, and that you have already been trained in them.

We are aware that a strong reference letter is sometimes not easy to obtain.
At a minimum, the letter should state your position, the length of your employment, salary, and a summary of your duties.
Employment Letter Problems?

• Sometimes people are reluctant to ask their employer for such letters, for fear that the employer will become suspicious of them. If this is the case, then you may ask colleagues or even reputable well-known customers you have worked with to write an employment letter for you.

• Letters from colleagues must be notarized, and should state that he/she has worked with you, and witnessed you performing certain duties. Letters from clients do not need to be notarized if they are printed on the client's official letterhead.

• In those cases where employment letters are not available, or where letters from colleagues or clients are substituting, as many of the following additional documents should be provided to our office as possible:

• tax documents
• pay slips
• performance appraisals
• contracts,
• promotion letters or letters of appointment
• previous immigration documents (such as H1 Visa applications from the USA)
• letters sometimes provided by employers for banking purposes, in which the letter confirms your position and salary; this kind of letter may be available from your Personnel/Human Resources Department.

Please note that these substitutes may be provided, even in the case that you are able to obtain a good employment letter as detailed above. Providing us with such documents can help us to better demonstrate credibility of your employment history, which may facilitate your application, or the chance of an interview waiver.



Generally a reference letter is written as follows:

[Company Letter Head]

[Date]

To whom it may concern,

[Applicant] has been employed by [employer] from [start date] to [end date], in the position of [position or job title]. His/her monthly/annual salary was [salary]

In this position, he/she had the following duties and responsibilities:

[list of duties and responsibilities]

Additionally, [any additional information]

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any more information

Sincerely,

[Name of supervisor]
[Signature of supervisor]
[Business card of supervisor attached if possible]

The description, duties and responsibilities on the letter should closely resemble, but not be an exact copy of, those expected of an employee working in your NOC code.

If your company will not issue such a letter, you should take every step to obtain official documentation from the company listing your job duties and responsibilities. As well, these other alternatives may be used, however they may not always work. It is always better to obtain an original letter of reference directly from a supervisor or HR.[/list]
 

cecstatchk

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Jan 31, 2014
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One of friend who submitted application without reference letter (Explaining the situation) in 2013 June got MR. But that was last year and I'm not sure how many such cases are successful. I would say give a try. I was also hesitant (obviously I work for Indian Company) but I was like what the heck and asked my HR. To my surprise they gave a reference letter with ALL the details. Give it a try.
 

PR_aspirent

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Jan 17, 2014
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My application got rejected due to missing employment letter.
if you can put together the number of hours/week, duration for which you have worked, designation, location and job duties it will be sufficient, they don't care which project you worked on. You will be having T4 and NOA.

If your client can give such reference, it is even better.

Worst case: you can try without reference letter, just add what ever you have(resumes, letter from employer from day 1, pay slips etc, LMO letter in case if you have) file your application. once you get AOR(if you are lucky) at least you can go on BOWP.