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Assault case charged and withdrawn - Citizenship application

sil_ca

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Hi All,

I have applied for Canada citizenship but missed to declare that I was charged in an assault criminal case (2022 Mar) but later withdrawn (2023 Feb). Now I got fingerprint request to the application.
My question is will it impact my application to get approve?
Is there a way (extra steps) to successfully get citizenship in this situation?
Please see my timeline.
AOR :Jan 4,2024
Citizenship test request : Jan 26th 2024
Citizenship test completed : Jan 28th 2024
Finger print request: Jan 31st 2024.

Please share your valuable comments in my confused situation.
Thanks,
 
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forw.jane

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Hi All,

I have applied for Canada citizenship but missed to declare that I was charged in an assault criminal case (2022 Mar) but later withdrawn (2023 Feb). Now I got fingerprint request to the application.
My question is will it impact my application to get approve?
Is there a way (extra steps) to successfully get citizenship in this situation?
Please see my timeline.
AOR :Jan 4,2024
Citizenship test request : Jan 26th 2024
Citizenship test completed : Jan 28th 2024
Finger print request: Jan 31st 2024.

Please share your valuable comments in my confused situation.
Thanks,
Could cause issue in Prohibition status activity check. You can attach a letter of explanation explaining the charge and withdrawal later, also attach any documentation associated with it.
Hopefully with the withdrawal it would not cause any issue. But there could be a case of misrepresentation too.

If you need expert opinion better contact a immigration lawyer.
 

Ryan4

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Could cause issue in Prohibition status activity check. You can attach a letter of explanation explaining the charge and withdrawal later, also attach any documentation associated with it.
Hopefully with the withdrawal it would not cause any issue. But there could be a case of misrepresentation too.

If you need expert opinion better contact a immigration lawyer.
they’re is no question asking if you were charged. It only asks if you were CONVICTED. I don’t see how that could be misrepresentation!
 
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forevermore76

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Hi, may I ask whats the update on ur application. Same situation with my brother
Getting charged and getting convicted are very different. While the first leads to 2nd, IRCC is only interested in conviction as conviction is what appears on your criminal record check and leads to being criminally inadmissible.

In short, it should have no impact on citizenship application unless you were convicted.
 

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Hi, may I ask whats the update on ur application. Same situation with my brother
For @sil_ca the key factor is the assault charge has been withdrawn, so there is NO charge pending. If there is no charge pending, it does not constitute a prohibition under section 22 in the Citizenship Act, which is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-5.html#docCont

It could nonetheless cause some non-routine processing related to IRCC verifying the outcome of the case.

CAUTION, posts by @forevermore76 and earlier by @Ryan4 are NOT correct.

In particular, contrary to claim by @forevermore76, PR who has a charge pending for an indictable offence is prohibited from being granted citizenship, as prescribed in Section 22(1)(b) in the Citizenship Act (same link as above).

And contrary to earlier claim by @Ryan4, that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions, Question 16.3. in the application for citizenship (CIT 0002) asks the applicant if they are "now charged" with an indictable offence. Which, again, is because being charged with an indictable offence is a prohibition barring the person from being granted citizenship.

It appears those two may have confused what effect a charge has on a citizenship application (the subject of this topic) in contrast to the fact that for PRs just being charged with an indictable offence IN Canada does not constitute inadmissibility on grounds of serious criminality.

Reminder: Hybrid offences are considered to be indictable offences under IRPA even if prosecuted as a summary offence. For citizenship applicants who have a hybrid charge pending, if the Crown has made the election to proceed with it as a Summary offence, IRCC typically puts the application on hold pending outcome of the criminal case -- if the case is concluded with a summary conviction, that is no bar to citizenship. However, certain hybrid offences are serious enough that even if there is only a summary offence conviction that can still constitute serious criminality and grounds for terminating PR status. All of which is complex enough that most (nearly all) PRs involved in criminal charges should PAY for a consultation with competent legal counsel (free consultations tend to be worth what you pay for).

Also note that both Canadian and U.S. criminal name record data bases will typically have a hit for arrests and pending charges. These will ordinarily pop up in the periodic GCMS background screening that is done at multiple stages of processing a citizenship application.
 

forevermore76

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For @sil_ca the key factor is the assault charge has been withdrawn, so there is NO charge pending. If there is no charge pending, it does not constitute a prohibition under section 22 in the Citizenship Act, which is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-5.html#docCont

It could nonetheless cause some non-routine processing related to IRCC verifying the outcome of the case.

CAUTION, posts by @forevermore76 and earlier by @Ryan4 are NOT correct.

In particular, contrary to claim by @forevermore76, PR who has a charge pending for an indictable offence is prohibited from being granted citizenship, as prescribed in Section 22(1)(b) in the Citizenship Act (same link as above).

And contrary to earlier claim by @Ryan4, that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions, Question 16.3. in the application for citizenship (CIT 0002) asks the applicant if they are "now charged" with an indictable offence. Which, again, is because being charged with an indictable offence is a prohibition barring the person from being granted citizenship.

It appears those two may have confused what effect a charge has on a citizenship application (the subject of this topic) in contrast to the fact that for PRs just being charged with an indictable offence IN Canada does not constitute inadmissibility on grounds of serious criminality.

Reminder: Hybrid offences are considered to be indictable offences under IRPA even if prosecuted as a summary offence. For citizenship applicants who have a hybrid charge pending, if the Crown has made the election to proceed with it as a Summary offence, IRCC typically puts the application on hold pending outcome of the criminal case -- if the case is concluded with a summary conviction, that is no bar to citizenship. However, certain hybrid offences are serious enough that even if there is only a summary offence conviction that can still constitute serious criminality and grounds for terminating PR status. All of which is complex enough that most (nearly all) PRs involved in criminal charges should PAY for a consultation with competent legal counsel (free consultations tend to be worth what you pay for).

Also note that both Canadian and U.S. criminal name record data bases will typically have a hit for arrests and pending charges. These will ordinarily pop up in the periodic GCMS background screening that is done at multiple stages of processing a citizenship application.
The discussion is not about pending charge though, it's about being charged and charges being either dropped or withdrawn.
 
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A friend of mine has got charged with simple assault with summarily, the charges are pending in court now he plans to travel outside country with PR status. What are risks involved? Will he have any issues at port of entry? Just curious TIA
 

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For @sil_ca the key factor is the assault charge has been withdrawn, so there is NO charge pending. If there is no charge pending, it does not constitute a prohibition under section 22 in the Citizenship Act, which is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-5.html#docCont

It could nonetheless cause some non-routine processing related to IRCC verifying the outcome of the case.

CAUTION, posts by @forevermore76 and earlier by @Ryan4 are NOT correct.

In particular, contrary to claim by @forevermore76, PR who has a charge pending for an indictable offence is prohibited from being granted citizenship, as prescribed in Section 22(1)(b) in the Citizenship Act (same link as above).

And contrary to earlier claim by @Ryan4, that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions, Question 16.3. in the application for citizenship (CIT 0002) asks the applicant if they are "now charged" with an indictable offence. Which, again, is because being charged with an indictable offence is a prohibition barring the person from being granted citizenship.

It appears those two may have confused what effect a charge has on a citizenship application (the subject of this topic) in contrast to the fact that for PRs just being charged with an indictable offence IN Canada does not constitute inadmissibility on grounds of serious criminality.

Reminder: Hybrid offences are considered to be indictable offences under IRPA even if prosecuted as a summary offence. For citizenship applicants who have a hybrid charge pending, if the Crown has made the election to proceed with it as a Summary offence, IRCC typically puts the application on hold pending outcome of the criminal case -- if the case is concluded with a summary conviction, that is no bar to citizenship. However, certain hybrid offences are serious enough that even if there is only a summary offence conviction that can still constitute serious criminality and grounds for terminating PR status. All of which is complex enough that most (nearly all) PRs involved in criminal charges should PAY for a consultation with competent legal counsel (free consultations tend to be worth what you pay for).

Also note that both Canadian and U.S. criminal name record data bases will typically have a hit for arrests and pending charges. These will ordinarily pop up in the periodic GCMS background screening that is done at multiple stages of processing a citizenship application.
First, see what I posted and the post I replied to before saying that I am wrong.

Second, if you were to quote me then please do me and everyone a favor and quote me right. You said that I said “that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions” and that’s not what I said. WRONG!!

I said “they’re is no question asking if you were charged” and that is a FACT!!!

they’re is = there is **typo**

A person could had been charged with “murder” and the charge was withdrawn after, then when filling the application they can answer NO!!

that’s not misrepresentation and they don’t need to provide LOE and that is a FACT!



As for 16.3 “now charged”, if a person is charged with “murder” and the charge is pending, then they can answer to “now charged” with YES.
Which is NOT what we were discussing before you jumped calling everyone wrong.

HUGE difference my friend.


love,
Nas
 
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First, see what I posted and the post I replied to before saying that I am wrong.

Second, if you were to quote me then please do me and everyone a favor and quote me right. You said that I said “that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions” and that’s not what I said. WRONG!!

I said “they’re is no question asking if you were charged” and that is a FACT!!!

they’re is = there is **typo**

A person could had been charged with “murder” and the charge was withdrawn after, then when filling the application they can answer NO!!

that’s not misrepresentation and they don’t need to provide LOE and that is a FACT!



As for 16.3 “now charged”, if a person is charged with “murder” and the charge is pending, then they can answer to “now charged” with YES.
Which is NOT what we were discussing before you jumped calling everyone wrong.

HUGE difference my friend.


love,
Nas
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...



The instruction guide for CIT 0002 shows this:

Question 16.
To make sure you aren’t prohibited from becoming a Canadian citizen, answer questions 1 to 9 by checking “Yes” or “No.”


To be eligible to become a Canadian citizen, you must not be prohibited under the Citizenship Act. You can’t become a citizen if any of the situations listed in Question 16 apply to you


---

So, if you click on the hyperlink for `situations that prevent you from becoming a Canadian citizen', it takes you to this:


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/situtations-prevent-citizenship.html

Situations that may prevent you from becoming a Canadian citizen

You cannot become a citizen if you’re prohibited under the Citizenship Act. For example, if
  • you’re in Canada
    • serving a term of imprisonment
    • on parole
    • on probation
  • you’re serving a sentence outside Canada
  • you’re charged with, on trial for, or involved in an appeal for an offence
    • under the Citizenship Act, or an indictable offence in Canada
    • committed outside Canada that’s equivalent to an indictable offence in Canada
---

So while you are correct that Question 16 does not ask you if you have been charged, it sort of does (in a circular form) by providing the hyperlink leading to `indictable offence'...right?
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but...



The instruction guide for CIT 0002 shows this:

Question 16.
To make sure you aren’t prohibited from becoming a Canadian citizen, answer questions 1 to 9 by checking “Yes” or “No.”


To be eligible to become a Canadian citizen, you must not be prohibited under the Citizenship Act. You can’t become a citizen if any of the situations listed in Question 16 apply to you


---

So, if you click on the hyperlink for `situations that prevent you from becoming a Canadian citizen', it takes you to this:


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/situtations-prevent-citizenship.html

Situations that may prevent you from becoming a Canadian citizen

You cannot become a citizen if you’re prohibited under the Citizenship Act. For example, if
  • you’re in Canada
    • serving a term of imprisonment
    • on parole
    • on probation
  • you’re serving a sentence outside Canada
  • you’re charged with, on trial for, or involved in an appeal for an offence
    • under the Citizenship Act, or an indictable offence in Canada
    • committed outside Canada that’s equivalent to an indictable offence in Canada
---

So while you are correct that Question 16 does not ask you if you have been charged, it sort of does (in a circular form) by providing the hyperlink leading to `indictable offence'...right?
Question 16.3 (Are you now charged with, on trial for, subject to or a party to an appeal relating to:
an offence under the Citizenship Act or an indictable offence in Canada?)


Assuming the offense is indictable, and assuming the applicants are applying for citizenship after the finalization of the case, then it all comes down to the outcome of the charge.

if withdrawn/not found guilty, then the answer to question 16.3 should be plain no.

If convicted/guilty, then the answer to question 16.3 should be plain no. However, in this scenario where they were found guilty; then the applicants should answer yes to the below question along with providing the related documentations and LOE etc..

In the 4 years immediately before the date of your citizenship application, have you
been convicted of an indictable offence under any Act of Parliament or an offence under the Citizenship Act?



in @sil_ca situation

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/assault-case-charged-and-withdrawn-citizenship-application.833779/

he should answer no to both questions as his charge was withdrawn and he is not charged with anything at the time of filling the application.

That was my main point that he shouldn’t worry about misrepresentation or providing a LOR as the questions are very straight forward and he answered them truthfully.
 
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Caution: anyone involved in criminal charges, including withdrawn or otherwise discharged criminal offences if serious (like murder), would be wise to hire a lawyer, at the least for personal advice, before proceeding to make an application for citizenship.

This discussion is NO substitute for getting qualified legal counsel.

Question 16 does not ask you if you have been charged . . .
Your overall point is well-taken. And, in particular, in regards to the assertion by @Ryan4 that even if an applicant has been charged with murder, if there is a total discharge/dismissal of the charges there is no need to refer to it or include a LOE. Far better to in some way reference this and the fact it has been fully resolved (withdrawn, dismissed, discharged), in a LOE or otherwise. Will address this more below.

For clarity . . .

Question 16.3 in the citizenship application does specifically ask "Are you now charged" . . .

Clearly, contrary to the assertion that the citizenship application "only asks if you were CONVICTED," it is NOT correct that the application ONLY asks about criminal charges for which there is a conviction.

I now understand that @Ryan4 meant to exclusively refer to a fully resolved charge in the past tense when stating there is (typo corrected) "no question asking if you were charged." I do not agree that was at all clear, especially given the juxtaposition with the statement that the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted.

In particular, if a month or six months before making a citizenship application, an applicant was (past tense) charged with an indictable offence (including hybrid offences which might be prosecuted summarily rather than by indictment), it is absolutely NOT true the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted (since, after all, pending charges for sure must be disclosed).

Apart from disagreeing with the characterization by @Ryan4 of my clarification for @jeahpalumar05 (who queried about the "same situation" as the OP, recognizing it is never actually the same situation, there always being some differences no matter how similar), what is important for those dealing with criminal charges to understand is the imperative to disclose pending charges as well as convictions.

A person could had been charged with “murder” and the charge was withdrawn after, then when filling the application they can answer NO!!

that’s not misrepresentation and they don’t need to provide LOE and that is a FACT!
So long as a criminal charge is fully discharged (whether withdrawn, dismissed, or otherwise conclusively discharged), there is no charge pending. It would be correct, in regards to this, to answer [No] in response to question 16.3. in the citizenship application.

But make no mistake, if there was a charge made, that is almost certain to pop up in background screening attendant the application for citizenship. This would very likely trigger non-routine processing to verify there are no prohibitions.

As I stated (in the post you take offense about, the entirety of what was addressed to the OP's query, the rest of that post being in response to the query by @jeahpalumar05):

For @sil_ca the key factor is the assault charge has been withdrawn, so there is NO charge pending. If there is no charge pending, it does not constitute a prohibition under section 22 in the Citizenship Act, which is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-5.html#docCont

It could nonetheless cause some non-routine processing related to IRCC verifying the outcome of the case.
But let's be clear, whether to include a LOE is not a question of fact. It is a judgment call, a personal decision. It may be entirely unnecessary. It may actually not make much difference. As long as the applicant has truthfully answered the questions in the application, without deceit, without being misleading, that meets the applicant's obligations to provide honest, accurate, and complete information. Whether a particular applicant should additionally include some additional information or explanation is their personal choice, typically depending on whether they think the additional information or explanation will clarify something that might cause problems or otherwise help IRCC more efficiently process the application.

For most applicants, "problems" include non-routine processing that leads to significant delays in finalizing the application and taking the oath. Of course problems that can affect the outcome (cause the application to be denied) are more important, but for many applicants (probably most), it is important to proceed in a way that will minimize the risks of non-routine processing, minimize the risk of delays in getting to take the oath.

Here's the thing about providing information in a citizenship application:
-- if it will hurt, cause problems, odds are very high the applicant is obligated to disclose that information​
-- if it should not be a problem, odds are very high that disclosing it will not cause a problem​

In the context of matters arising in relation to criminal charges, what this means is that disclosing information (or an explanation) about a criminal case that does not amount to a prohibition will NOT cause any more of a problem than the case would otherwise cause.

If there is a final disposition in the criminal matter that does not constitute a prohibition, it will not affect the individual's eligibility. If, however, the criminal matter does constitute a prohibition, IRCC is almost certain to learn of it (whether the applicant discloses it or not) and process the application accordingly.

If there has been an arrest (let alone formal charges actually presented in court), the fact the individual has been charged will almost certainly be known to IRCC, and again this will be whether or not the applicant is forthcoming in disclosing it. IRCC typically requests fingerprints in these scenarios and depending on what RCMP records show, also requests certified copies of the court record showing the final disposition of the charges. There is NO harm disclosing the charges to IRCC upfront with an explanation that the charges have been withdrawn (or dismissed or otherwise fully discharged as if never charged). Upfront disclosure in the application may reduce or perhaps even avoid non-routine processing to verify there is no prohibition.

As cautioned above, and it is an easy call to make especially for someone who has been charged with murder (even if totally withdrawn), best to get paid for advice from a lawyer before proceeding with making the citizenship application.

First, see what I posted and the post I replied to before saying that I am wrong.

Second, if you were to quote me then please do me and everyone a favor and quote me right. You said that I said “that there is no question asking if the applicant has been charged, only asking about convictions” and that’s not what I said. WRONG!!

I said “they’re is no question asking if you were charged” and that is a FACT!!!

they’re is = there is **typo**

A person could had been charged with “murder” and the charge was withdrawn after, then when filling the application they can answer NO!!

that’s not misrepresentation and they don’t need to provide LOE and that is a FACT!



As for 16.3 “now charged”, if a person is charged with “murder” and the charge is pending, then they can answer to “now charged” with YES.
Which is NOT what we were discussing before you jumped calling everyone wrong.

HUGE difference my friend.


love,
Nas
 

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Caution: anyone involved in criminal charges, including withdrawn or otherwise discharged criminal offences if serious (like murder), would be wise to hire a lawyer, at the least for personal advice, before proceeding to make an application for citizenship.

This discussion is NO substitute for getting qualified legal counsel.



Your overall point is well-taken. And, in particular, in regards to the assertion by @Ryan4 that even if an applicant has been charged with murder, if there is a total discharge/dismissal of the charges there is no need to refer to it or include a LOE. Far better to in some way reference this and the fact it has been fully resolved (withdrawn, dismissed, discharged), in a LOE or otherwise. Will address this more below.

For clarity . . .

Question 16.3 in the citizenship application does specifically ask "Are you now charged" . . .

Clearly, contrary to the assertion that the citizenship application "only asks if you were CONVICTED," it is NOT correct that the application ONLY asks about criminal charges for which there is a conviction.

I now understand that @Ryan4 meant to exclusively refer to a fully resolved charge in the past tense when stating there is (typo corrected) "no question asking if you were charged." I do not agree that was at all clear, especially given the juxtaposition with the statement that the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted.

In particular, if a month or six months before making a citizenship application, an applicant was (past tense) charged with an indictable offence (including hybrid offences which might be prosecuted summarily rather than by indictment), it is absolutely NOT true the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted (since, after all, pending charges for sure must be disclosed).

Apart from disagreeing with the characterization by @Ryan4 of my clarification for @jeahpalumar05 (who queried about the "same situation" as the OP, recognizing it is never actually the same situation, there always being some differences no matter how similar), what is important for those dealing with criminal charges to understand is the imperative to disclose pending charges as well as convictions.



So long as a criminal charge is fully discharged (whether withdrawn, dismissed, or otherwise conclusively discharged), there is no charge pending. It would be correct, in regards to this, to answer [No] in response to question 16.3. in the citizenship application.

But make no mistake, if there was a charge made, that is almost certain to pop up in background screening attendant the application for citizenship. This would very likely trigger non-routine processing to verify there are no prohibitions.

As I stated (in the post you take offense about, the entirety of what was addressed to the OP's query, the rest of that post being in response to the query by @jeahpalumar05):



But let's be clear, whether to include a LOE is not a question of fact. It is a judgment call, a personal decision. It may be entirely unnecessary. It may actually not make much difference. As long as the applicant has truthfully answered the questions in the application, without deceit, without being misleading, that meets the applicant's obligations to provide honest, accurate, and complete information. Whether a particular applicant should additionally include some additional information or explanation is their personal choice, typically depending on whether they think the additional information or explanation will clarify something that might cause problems or otherwise help IRCC more efficiently process the application.

For most applicants, "problems" include non-routine processing that leads to significant delays in finalizing the application and taking the oath. Of course problems that can affect the outcome (cause the application to be denied) are more important, but for many applicants (probably most), it is important to proceed in a way that will minimize the risks of non-routine processing, minimize the risk of delays in getting to take the oath.

Here's the thing about providing information in a citizenship application:
-- if it will hurt, cause problems, odds are very high the applicant is obligated to disclose that information​
-- if it should not be a problem, odds are very high that disclosing it will not cause a problem​

In the context of matters arising in relation to criminal charges, what this means is that disclosing information (or an explanation) about a criminal case that does not amount to a prohibition will NOT cause any more of a problem than the case would otherwise cause.

If there is a final disposition in the criminal matter that does not constitute a prohibition, it will not affect the individual's eligibility. If, however, the criminal matter does constitute a prohibition, IRCC is almost certain to learn of it (whether the applicant discloses it or not) and process the application accordingly.

If there has been an arrest (let alone formal charges actually presented in court), the fact the individual has been charged will almost certainly be known to IRCC, and again this will be whether or not the applicant is forthcoming in disclosing it. IRCC typically requests fingerprints in these scenarios and depending on what RCMP records show, also requests certified copies of the court record showing the final disposition of the charges. There is NO harm disclosing the charges to IRCC upfront with an explanation that the charges have been withdrawn (or dismissed or otherwise fully discharged as if never charged). Upfront disclosure in the application may reduce or perhaps even avoid non-routine processing to verify there is no prohibition.

As cautioned above, and it is an easy call to make especially for someone who has been charged with murder (even if totally withdrawn), best to get paid for advice from a lawyer before proceeding with making the citizenship application.
Honestly, stop posting just for the sake of posting.

Again, the discussion was about charges which have been withdrawn or dropped. In Canada, when charges are dropped, it's not specifically noted but it's what's equivalent of with prejudice. Only in very very exceptional situations the charges are brought back again so anyone in that situation will a sweet No.

Go on and write another essay but your posts are pretty much redundant and not relevant.
 

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Caution: anyone involved in criminal charges, including withdrawn or otherwise discharged criminal offences if serious (like murder), would be wise to hire a lawyer, at the least for personal advice, before proceeding to make an application for citizenship.

This discussion is NO substitute for getting qualified legal counsel.



Your overall point is well-taken. And, in particular, in regards to the assertion by @Ryan4 that even if an applicant has been charged with murder, if there is a total discharge/dismissal of the charges there is no need to refer to it or include a LOE. Far better to in some way reference this and the fact it has been fully resolved (withdrawn, dismissed, discharged), in a LOE or otherwise. Will address this more below.

For clarity . . .

Question 16.3 in the citizenship application does specifically ask "Are you now charged" . . .

Clearly, contrary to the assertion that the citizenship application "only asks if you were CONVICTED," it is NOT correct that the application ONLY asks about criminal charges for which there is a conviction.

I now understand that @Ryan4 meant to exclusively refer to a fully resolved charge in the past tense when stating there is (typo corrected) "no question asking if you were charged." I do not agree that was at all clear, especially given the juxtaposition with the statement that the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted.

In particular, if a month or six months before making a citizenship application, an applicant was (past tense) charged with an indictable offence (including hybrid offences which might be prosecuted summarily rather than by indictment), it is absolutely NOT true the application ONLY asks if the applicant was convicted (since, after all, pending charges for sure must be disclosed).

Apart from disagreeing with the characterization by @Ryan4 of my clarification for @jeahpalumar05 (who queried about the "same situation" as the OP, recognizing it is never actually the same situation, there always being some differences no matter how similar), what is important for those dealing with criminal charges to understand is the imperative to disclose pending charges as well as convictions.



So long as a criminal charge is fully discharged (whether withdrawn, dismissed, or otherwise conclusively discharged), there is no charge pending. It would be correct, in regards to this, to answer [No] in response to question 16.3. in the citizenship application.

But make no mistake, if there was a charge made, that is almost certain to pop up in background screening attendant the application for citizenship. This would very likely trigger non-routine processing to verify there are no prohibitions.

As I stated (in the post you take offense about, the entirety of what was addressed to the OP's query, the rest of that post being in response to the query by @jeahpalumar05):



But let's be clear, whether to include a LOE is not a question of fact. It is a judgment call, a personal decision. It may be entirely unnecessary. It may actually not make much difference. As long as the applicant has truthfully answered the questions in the application, without deceit, without being misleading, that meets the applicant's obligations to provide honest, accurate, and complete information. Whether a particular applicant should additionally include some additional information or explanation is their personal choice, typically depending on whether they think the additional information or explanation will clarify something that might cause problems or otherwise help IRCC more efficiently process the application.

For most applicants, "problems" include non-routine processing that leads to significant delays in finalizing the application and taking the oath. Of course problems that can affect the outcome (cause the application to be denied) are more important, but for many applicants (probably most), it is important to proceed in a way that will minimize the risks of non-routine processing, minimize the risk of delays in getting to take the oath.

Here's the thing about providing information in a citizenship application:
-- if it will hurt, cause problems, odds are very high the applicant is obligated to disclose that information​
-- if it should not be a problem, odds are very high that disclosing it will not cause a problem​

In the context of matters arising in relation to criminal charges, what this means is that disclosing information (or an explanation) about a criminal case that does not amount to a prohibition will NOT cause any more of a problem than the case would otherwise cause.

If there is a final disposition in the criminal matter that does not constitute a prohibition, it will not affect the individual's eligibility. If, however, the criminal matter does constitute a prohibition, IRCC is almost certain to learn of it (whether the applicant discloses it or not) and process the application accordingly.

If there has been an arrest (let alone formal charges actually presented in court), the fact the individual has been charged will almost certainly be known to IRCC, and again this will be whether or not the applicant is forthcoming in disclosing it. IRCC typically requests fingerprints in these scenarios and depending on what RCMP records show, also requests certified copies of the court record showing the final disposition of the charges. There is NO harm disclosing the charges to IRCC upfront with an explanation that the charges have been withdrawn (or dismissed or otherwise fully discharged as if never charged). Upfront disclosure in the application may reduce or perhaps even avoid non-routine processing to verify there is no prohibition.

As cautioned above, and it is an easy call to make especially for someone who has been charged with murder (even if totally withdrawn), best to get paid for advice from a lawyer before proceeding with making the citizenship application.
If you were charged with “murder” and the court of law found you not guilty and the charge was fully withdrawn because you were innocent, then you should answer NO to both questions without the need to hire a lawyer. IRCC has access to see that you were charged and you were innocent.

It’s not mandatory to hire a lawyer but you can always do it if you want.
 
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