Can someone please tell me if cash salary really works? Decline ITA?

[tangypasta]

I am planning to apply for FSW. Have a decent score as well because I have a Masters degree recently completed (assessed by WES) and previous 1 year certificate in Canada in 2011 (bonus points).

However, I am not sure if my work experience will count at all. My NOC was 1223 and I was working as a Recruitment Consultant for a small company in India from 2017-2018. My work experience is legit, the company is legit, and has a decent web presence. I was looking at some older posts in this website and I saw that many people received ADRs for cash salaries asking for things like attendance registers, proof of work assignments, email communications, etc. I cannot provide all of that since the experience that I am claiming is almost 5 years old now. What to do now? I am pretty sure that I'll get an ITA by next draw as my score is really close. Should I decline it? Should I try to now find a job in a suitable NOC where I am paid properly through electronic transfers, have my tax deducted and then file for an ITA?

I spoke to my previous employer and he is willing to provide a reference letter (according to CIC standards), salary certificate mentioning I was paid in cash. Moreover, I can print a few backdated cash vouchers from the internet and he can sign it because I did legitimately work there. But it seems like that all of this won't be enough since I don't have an ITA return.

While IRCC officially only needs a reference letter, I did see many cases where employees received cash salary being asked to provide a lot of documents further on during ADR.

Is it even worth it to apply? Or am I wasting my time? Perhaps it is better to find a new job in a suitable NOC where I am paid properly and can where I can file an ITR at the end of the year. I am quite depressed that my legit work won't be counted but if I am bound to be rejected then it's better to look for a new job in a suitable NOC.

 

[tangypasta]

Is there anyone who has gotten their PR with cash salary and have documents similar to mine?

 

[AndyUK]

I know this is not really answering your question but do you even have to mention in the letter that it was cash salary? IRCC doesn't require this information - the amount is sufficient. If the letter meets all other IRCC's requirements then technically there's no need for any other information. Of course it could then become problematic if you get ADR but I don't know how likely it is. Technically, if the company if legit and the letter is in a correct format, there should be no need for ADR but I suppose there's never a guarantee.

 

[tangypasta]

I know this is not really answering your question but do you even have to mention in the letter that it was cash salary? IRCC doesn't require this information - the amount is sufficient. If the letter meets all other IRCC's requirements then technically there's no need for any other information. Of course it could then become problematic if you get ADR but I don't know how likely it is. Technically, if the company if legit and the letter is in a correct format, there should be no need for ADR but I suppose there's never a guarantee.

Yes, the company is legit, it has a decent web presence. I was watching YouTube videos and they did say that if I am being paid in cash then the letter should mention it. Unfortunately, some people tried cheating IRCC before from India and Pakistan and genuine candidates like me have to suffer. I saw some absolutely crazy adr requests in previous AOR groups. But then again, I do not know their condition or position.

 

[Islander216]

Whether or not you are being paid in cash would only be a factor if it is your most recent job, and this affects your financial support documents.

Unless stipulated by the requirements from IRCC, you have no need to mention it is a cash paid job.

 

[tangypasta]

Whether or not you are being paid in cash would only be a factor if it is your most recent job, and this affects your financial support documents.

Unless stipulated by the requirements from IRCC, you have no need to mention it is a cash paid job.

Sir, my most recent job is NOC C so I am not eligible to claim points for it. I can only claim points for the job 1223 NOC code that I did 5 years ago. See, at that time I didn't think it would be an issue but after looking at some posts on this website, I am really scared. And that's why I made an account to get some opinion. Post like this make me nervous. This guy, imransyed was asked for WhatsApp conversations, etc. Where will I get WhatsApp conversations from 5 years ago with my employer?

Do you know anyone personally you has received PR and was working in cash? I can't find too many cases like that and that is why I am so worried sir.

 

[Islander216]

Yeah but your example is proving my original point, it only becomes an issue when your proof of funds becomes tied to this cash job. What IRCC will want to know is what is the source of your funds? Because your cash job is from 5 years ago, it won't affect your proof of funds now. There's every reason to assume the funds you received from your job have already been used, and the funds you have in your bank account relate to other jobs and revenue streams.

Do you see what I mean?

 

[tangypasta]

Yeah but your example is proving my original point, it only becomes an issue when your proof of funds becomes tied to this cash job. What IRCC will want to know is what is the source of your funds? Because your cash job is from 5 years ago, it won't affect your proof of funds now. There's every reason to assume the funds you received from your job have already been used, and the funds you have in your bank account relate to other jobs and revenue streams.

Do you see what I mean?

Thanks again for your reply sir. I have some savings of my own and I am also getting some funds from my elder brother in the form of gift deed so my pof is not tied with my old job. But the thing is that I watching videos on YouTube that were saying that IRCC is getting super strict with cash salaries with applicants from India.

The thing is that I am a genuine candidate, the company where I worked also has a website and Google presence. How do I prove to CIC that my work experience is real? Old boss is okay with giving job and duties letter, salary certificate, appointment letter and cash vouchers. I read here some guy was asked for attendance registers but maybe his company was not genuine. Mine is completely legit and well established in Delhi NCR region since 2012. But I can't provide more documents than that. Do you think I have a higher chance of getting ADR because I don't have ITR? I am so angry at myself for not filing NIL returns. If I did, my path to Canadian PR will be clear.

 

[Islander216]

I would say don't overthink it, I would provide everything you have, and then if the ADR comes, then deal with it as required.

In the meantime, see what else you can gather. But it's important to be optimistic and think positively.

 

[tangypasta]

I would say don't overthink it, I would provide everything you have, and then if the ADR comes, then deal with it as required.

In the meantime, see what else you can gather. But it's important to be optimistic and think positively.

Sir thanks once again for your kind reply. One last question and I won't disturb you agian. Is it possible to get PR without an ITR, especially when my income at that time was under 2 lakh 50 thousand per year. So my employer at that time, which was a startup told me that there is no need to file ITR. Otherwise I would've done it. If I get an ADR tax return, can I tell them that I don't have any and attach an explanation letter? Other than that I have everything.

Also do you think, with my documents, that my chances are good to get approved?

 

[AndyUK]

Whether or not you are being paid in cash would only be a factor if it is your most recent job, and this affects your financial support documents.

Unless stipulated by the requirements from IRCC, you have no need to mention it is a cash paid job.

That's how I see it too.
I remember some immigration lawyer saying that the case officer will look at the application as a whole - if there are no red flags then it's unlikely you will get ADR, but if there are reasons for concern elsewhere in the application, I guess that's when they start properly looking into it and requesting more documents.

 

[tangypasta]

That's how I see it too.
I remember some immigration lawyer saying that the case officer will look at the application as a whole - if there are no red flags then it's unlikely you will get ADR, but if there are reasons for concern elsewhere in the application, I guess that's when they start properly looking into it and requesting more documents.

Okay thanks sir. Let's see what happens.

 

[tangypasta]

I would say don't overthink it, I would provide everything you have, and then if the ADR comes, then deal with it as required.

In the meantime, see what else you can gather. But it's important to be optimistic and think positively.

Hi sir, can you please also take a look at this thread? This guy (ppr20) was asked to provide attendance register, shift repors, etc. Is this common? How can I provide that from an employment that I did 5 years ago sir? If they ask me the same documents, then I won't be able to provide that. But I can provide certificates from other employers where I sent candidates for interviews, since I was working as a recruiter. Is this common that cic requests so many documents? Even from candidates who genuinely worked in good companies. What do you think sir? Would appreciate your knowledgeful reply.

 

[Islander216]

Cross that bridge when you get there, there's no point worrying about it until you are faced with an ADR like that, especially as there is no way for you to obtain these documents preemptively.

Sir thanks once again for your kind reply. One last question and I won't disturb you agian. Is it possible to get PR without an ITR, especially when my income at that time was under 2 lakh 50 thousand per year. So my employer at that time, which was a startup told me that there is no need to file ITR. Otherwise I would've done it. If I get an ADR tax return, can I tell them that I don't have any and attach an explanation letter? Other than that I have everything.

Also do you think, with my documents, that my chances are good to get approved?

I've very rarely seen them asking for a foreign income tax return, and usually this is probably requested when other documents are not available, such as a prescribed work reference. But if you have a work reference from your former employer, I don't see why they would ask you anything more.

If you don't meet the income requirements to file a tax return, the person processing your application will already know that, so why would they ask you for a tax return? It wouldn't make sense, they would be asking for something you likely wouldn't have, unless you're filing voluntarily, but who does that if they aren't required?

Keep it simple, don't overthink. Deal with what you know they are asking now.

 

[tangypasta]

Cross that bridge when you get there, there's no point worrying about it until you are faced with an ADR like that, especially as there is no way for you to obtain these documents preemptively.



I've very rarely seen them asking for a foreign income tax return, and usually this is probably requested when other documents are not available, such as a prescribed work reference. But if you have a work reference from your former employer, I don't see why they would ask you anything more.

If you don't meet the income requirements to file a tax return, the person processing your application will already know that, so why would they ask you for a tax return? It wouldn't make sense, they would be asking for something you likely wouldn't have, unless you're filing voluntarily, but who does that if they aren't required?

Keep it simple, don't overthink. Deal with what you know they are asking now.

Thank you for your reply sir. Ifeel better.