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[ImpatientAlligator]

In order to describe what I saw in Brampton to you, I would have to introduce you to the concept of Yuga in Hindu Mythology.

Now, I am what you call a non-religious person. But once I stayed in Brampton, I am convinced that Brampton is Kali Yuga personified.

Just to describe Kali Yuga to you:




Before I left my country for a "brief" period, I didn't really understand exactly what Indian culture was. Compared to the west, there is an extra level of friendliness involved in day-to-day dealings with people.

Have some guest show up at your door? Invite them into your home for tea. Someone shows up at your door in the evening? Offer them dinner. You have a medical emergency? The whole of the neighborhood will come together to help you in your time of need. Going to a city where your extended family lives? You will probably be invited to stay with them instead of staying in a hotel. If you say no, they might even be offended. Stuck in an unknown place? Ask someone for directions and they will take you to that place instead of just telling you the directions.

You get the point. In my culture, there is an obligation to go above and beyond to help someone out. There is a sense of community wherever you go. I am not well-traveled but I am willing to say that this is more of an East vs West thing. I have heard similar things in neighboring countries as well. That's not to say there is no deceit involved. Someone might try to cheat you by displaying the same level of friendliness. But it is unusual if not the norm.

In Canada (or rather the west) life is about individualism. If you tell someone about your troubles, a person is more likely to just express concern for your problem by saying something like "Oh no! That's terrible! I hope you find a solution to your problem!" There is no obligation to go above and beyond to help someone out. And at the exact same time, people will come across to you as extremely friendly. Even when people say no, they make sure that there will be no hostility between you and them. People say a lot of rhetorical things to one another upon greeting one another, which seemed rather superficial to me.

Here is what troubled me about Brampton. The Indians, over there, in order to assimilate into the "Canadian" culture lose or forget that friendliness expected when dealing with people. But at the same time, they don't let go of the bad aspects of Indian culture. For ex. being nosy, being extremely cheap and selfish, cutting corners, taking shortcuts in dubious ways etc. No one really learns how to be courteous like Canadians and all they are left with are just the bad aspects of our culture. That makes them terrible people deal with it. In fact, I would go so far as to describe them as not Indians, but as a whole new breed of people between Canadians and Indians.



Here is what I saw in Brampton:

1. The Indians over there don't talk to one another. The need to mingle, even with your neighbors which is pretty common in India, is all gone. Everyone just minds their business, which sounds like a good thing but seems strange for someone like me. When you see someone speaking your tongue, you expect some Indianness out of them, which unfortunately is missing.

2. I rented a room through a friend of a friend. Upon reaching there I realized that I was overcharged by 200%. They justified it by saying that no one really lets out a place for just a month and since you make a decent enough amount of money in India, you shouldn't worry about it. The owner of the house, upon learning how much money I made in India, tried to fleece more money out of me. I need a work desk to work during the day. It was placed in another room - his solution? Pay him a few dollars more to use that desk. We came to an agreement where I would pay a little more so that I could use some of his groceries like salts, spices, milk for tea, etc. At the end of my stay, he wanted me to pay him extra for milk again. I barely used a liter of milk, but he needed to pay that extra 6$ for the tea. I had to fight him not to charge me extra. This man owned two houses in Brampton (which go over $1 million each) and owned two really nice cars, but even then he needed extra money for tea. Other stuff included asking me to turn off the lights in my room when using the bathroom.

3. My relatives, who I was on really good terms back in my city, refused to invite me over to their place. At first, they said it is because of Corona, so you should maybe quarantine (and this was in July this year) for a few days before you come to see us. They reluctantly eventually invited me before I was leave for other cities, but treated me like a complete outsider. No warmth or friendliness at all. They also told me stuff like "My son never looks at the price of anything! He just buys whatever he likes!" to imply that I was cheap. Only after they learned that I will be traveling throughout Canada in the peak of summer (read: top dollar for flights and hotels) did they calm down and treated me more normally.

4. In order to travel between satellite cities of Toronto on weekends (because no public transport on weekends between them, go figure), I used a ride-sharing app. The Indian drivers would always ask for more money than agreed upon after I sat in their cars. Without fail. One even tried to charge me 100$ (the agreed-upon price was 20$) because other people on the ride didn't show up so now I should make up for it, otherwise he can't afford to go.

Now before you say "Duh! East is east and west is west. Of course, there are cultural differences." As an Indian, it feels very strange to go through these experiences with your own people. It feels like you woke up one day, and everyone around is just slightly more evil now. You ask yourself why to put yourself through a place like this. Why not deal with westerners, where everyone at least seems friendly on the surface, even if it's superficial.

The Indians outside of Brampton were cool. Every time I sat in a cab with an Indian driver, they would tell me their stories about how they, too, got cheated somehow by another Indian in the beginning. Everyone advised me to stay away from Brampton, at least for the initial period. They told me to only move there once I am more settled down and understand that place and its quirks.

Edit:
I did find some traces of Indian hospitality, which I forgot to mention above:

1. When I went to the bank to open the bank account, I found out that the money I transferred beforehand to an account was blocked for some reason. The branch that I visited couldn't remove the hold even after trying everything. The (Indian) lady who opened the bank account for me, kept in touch with me for three days after that incident, calling me every day and asking me if I was able to resolve my issue and how I was doing. She even offered me all kinds of good advice about various things on starting life from scratch over here. At first, I thought it was a marketing gimmick, but it turned she was just extra nice.

2. I was catching a bus between two cities from Brampton. Upon reaching my bus terminal, I mentioned my destination to my cab driver, he told me I selected the wrong bus terminal. The actual bus terminal was 4km away. He canceled his upcoming ride and took me to the right bus stop without charging me more.

Normally, when I search for a suburb/locality on YouTube, it'll be full of real estate brokers or lifestyle bloggers or happening events. For Brampton, it's like the Canadian version of Florida Man.

 

[ImpatientAlligator]

Yeah. I sent them webform and a week later was able to connect to an agent via call and got my address updated. I got response to my webform a month later. So, I believe calling them is the fastest way to make any updates.

Call them to confirm their mistake. Decided that collecting it from the lawyer is the best solution considering how the IRCC operates.

 

[ilikesnow]

B. The 10k from wages looks good, but the account history is not. From 20k to zero to 10k, its a bit too much. What account did you show as POF when you received the nomination from Alberta or they didn't ask for it ?

For second account, as I told you, if I am the officer, I would really ask some more questions regarding that 10k. When you transfered that money from the business account, what was the reason? Personal use is no valid reason because as in any business you would need to declare spendings, and based on them pay tax accordingly, so until you pay the taxes on that money its technically a loan.

I don't know how they check them at the IRCC, but I sure as hell dig deeper onto them than to give you a pass on those funds.

C. The affidavit is just a declaration, but if you include your name in the spouse's account, as in using the account with full privilege, you can get a statement from the bank that "Account X in the name of Ms. XX, has full privilege user even the husband YX or such". That would be considered as prove.

Also, I can see the statements I can get from bank do not have the date account was opened neither anywhere it says the average balance! That can be issue? given balance is displayed next to all transactions for past 6 months.

You should get a statement from the bank stating the date your account was opened, amount it has currently in it and if the user has any current outstanding debt witht he bank. This is different than "bank statement" and its mandatory to get it from the bank to confirm that the money is yours, free of debt and to be used immidiately.

B. I just spoke to my accountant and he said we can provide proof for big transactions and transfer from business accounts if needed. I need to show around 17K POF and my wages account should have 13K next week. The second account have 10K from long time and a 10k deposit a month back. My Indian joint account have roughly 5000 and my spouse have 10k. I think even if the case officer have issues with a particular large deposit, rest of accounts should be sufficient to cover the 17k I need to show.

C. Including my name in account is not possible, only possible thing is to open a new account and transfer money to it. Few people who have used spouse funds in past have said a letter signed by spouse is sufficient.

Bank is happy to provide me a letter that ticks everything but they have no system to generate average balance thing, so I'll attach a LOE and attach past 6 months statement alongside other signed letters.

 

[cansha]

These things tend to be personal choices. For me, I like if my neighbours etc know us but are not too interested in us.

+1 to this. I tend to avoid "over friendly" people simply because in my experience people like that don't have a sense of boundaries and tend to ask questions on personal level which are not commensurate with the level of relationship. So, if on a first 1-2 meeting I find someone asking too many personal level details or make comments on my life choices I make sure to avoid them in future. Unfortunately, Indian folks have no sense of boundaries and they think personal questions are okay to ask like how much you make? Where do you work and what is your designation (these questions are meant to judge your economic status) Why are you not married? Or if you are married why don't you have kids? And someone doesn't want kids .. questions like how can you not want kids etc. etc.

 

[cansha]

C. Including my name in account is not possible, only possible thing is to open a new account and transfer money to it.

No Need

Few people who have used spouse funds in past have said a letter signed by spouse is sufficient.

This is all you need.

Bank is happy to provide me a letter that ticks everything but they have no system to generate average balance thing, so I'll attach a LOE and attach past 6 months statement alongside other signed letters.

6 months statement is all you need. There is no need for a LOE but if it makes you sleep better at night and worry less do that. Else, honestly no one even reads those things. I have read enough GCMS notes to know that LOEs are not as useful as people think they are.

 

[ilikesnow]

6 months statement is all you need. There is no need for a LOE but if it makes you sleep better at night and worry less do that. Else, honestly no one even reads those things. I have read enough GCMS notes to know that LOEs are not as useful as people think they are.

So an account summary, showing the date account opened, bank contact details, my account details, current balance +6 months statements should be sufficient for POF?

 

[cansha]

So an account summary, showing the date account opened, bank contact details, my account details, current balance +6 months statements should be sufficient for POF?

Yes

 

[RSub]

Dumbest decision IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Dumbest decision IMHO.

At some level I feel bad for people like this. Then I don't, because did this guy seriosuly do no research before deciding to move there? Not when they were applying, not when they were waiting for the processing, not when they got their PPR? But 2 months before moving, the genius looks for advice on how to basically find an entry level job to take care of his 8 month old baby and wife all on a single (entry level) salary, from a job he will probably not get for a long time, in a field he has no experience in. Seriously?

"mAkEs OnE JiTtEr At TiMeS, ThInKiNg AbOuT tHe UnKnOwN" How about instead of jittering, you do some research before you decide to uproot your family and leave a career behind? Maybe build some experience in a relavant field because you're unlikely to be writing for goddamn bollywood when you move to Canada?

You always hear stories about how immigrants find it tough after moving to a new country. Then you realize this is the type of immigrant you're talking about.

You want a job with no relevant experience AND no experience in Canada (the fabled mythical Canadian Experience), okay, I'll give you some advice. You won't get a job anytime soon. Expect to try and find relevant volunteer experience and survive on Dad's money for a year or so, before you start getting interviews for paid positions. There. Can I get my homemade meal now?

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

At some level I feel bad for people like this. Then I don't, because did this guy seriosuly do no research before deciding to move there? Not when they were applying, not when they were waiting for the processing, not when they got their PPR? But 2 months before moving, the genius looks for advice on how to basically find an entry level job to take care of his 8 month old baby and wife all on a single (entry level) salary, from a job he will probably not get for a long time, in a field he has no experience in. Seriously?

"mAkEs OnE JiTtEr At TiMeS, ThInKiNg AbOuT tHe UnKnOwN" How about instead of jittering, you do some research before you decide to uproot your family and leave a career behind? Maybe build some experience in a relavant field because you're unlikely to be writing for goddamn bollywood when you move to Canada?

You always hear stories about how immigrants find it tough after moving to a new country. Then you realize this is the type of immigrant you're talking about.

You want a job with no relevant experience AND no experience in Canada (the fabled mythical Canadian Experience), okay, I'll give you some advice. You won't get a job anytime soon. Expect to try and find relevant volunteer experience and survive on Dad's money for a year or so, before you start getting interviews for paid positions. There. Can I get my homemade meal now?

Don't be so hard on the guy. I've heard that Canada is an up and coming hub for bollywood filming and writing recently. Or was that Hollywood? Can't tell these days

 

[RSub]

Don't be so hard on the guy. I've heard that Canada is an up and coming hub for bollywood filming and writing recently. Or was that Hollywood? Can't tell these days

Soon Kuberi Kamala will feature the writer dude b*tching about Canada and what a let down Canadian experience has been on his boring YouTube channel.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/business/uk-energy-price-cap.amp.html

Bills in Britain Will Soar 80% as Energy Crisis Crashes Into Europe

A regulator detailed the latest increase in gas and electric charges, driven up by the war in Ukraine and expected to further stoke inflation.


No wonder @dankboi left UK, looks like it's worse than Canada

 

[GandiBaat]

At some level I feel bad for people like this. Then I don't, because did this guy seriosuly do no research before deciding to move there? Not when they were applying, not when they were waiting for the processing, not when they got their PPR? But 2 months before moving, the genius looks for advice on how to basically find an entry level job to take care of his 8 month old baby and wife all on a single (entry level) salary, from a job he will probably not get for a long time, in a field he has no experience in. Seriously?

"mAkEs OnE JiTtEr At TiMeS, ThInKiNg AbOuT tHe UnKnOwN" How about instead of jittering, you do some research before you decide to uproot your family and leave a career behind? Maybe build some experience in a relavant field because you're unlikely to be writing for goddamn bollywood when you move to Canada?

You always hear stories about how immigrants find it tough after moving to a new country. Then you realize this is the type of immigrant you're talking about.

You want a job with no relevant experience AND no experience in Canada (the fabled mythical Canadian Experience), okay, I'll give you some advice. You won't get a job anytime soon. Expect to try and find relevant volunteer experience and survive on Dad's money for a year or so, before you start getting interviews for paid positions. There. Can I get my homemade meal now?

Exactly the reason why I missed my Australian PR settlement. I wanted to land there with a job in hand. Turned out it is harder than expected. So I decided where-ever I will go I will go as an internal transfer. Worked well for me as far as job goes.

 

[faheem7791]

Hello everyone,

We have received the PPR.

Here is the timeline:

--> Primary applicant (Me): AOR: Feb 21st 2021
---> PA biometrics --> April 21
--> We got married in December 2021 and added my spouse to the profile post that
--> Added to profile on June 20th 2022 (submitted all documents, Schedule A, marriage proof etc.)
--->Remed request for PA and first time medicals for dependent for me June 22nd 2022
---> Meds pass July 4th 2022
--> My biometrics August 16th 2022
--> PPR email on 25th August!!
--> COR, Delhi, India


Hope everyone gets the mail on the forum!

I have a few questions and I would be grateful for any help:

-->The PPR document starts with the following, correct? Please confirm the same --> "The processing of your application for permanent residence in Canada is almost complete. You must complete the following steps within 30 days in order for our office to issue your Confirmation of Permanent Residence and, if applicable, your permanent residence visa" This is THE PPR correct? Or should I wait for any more documents?

---> The PPR is addressed to the principal applicant only? My spouse has not received any document and the one in the GC Key portal is in my name. Please confirm.

--> We are looking at physically going to the VFS centre and submitting the passport, however, the VFS webform asks for number of passport submission for which we have selected "2" and it also asks for "Please upload the first page of each applicant's passport submission letter "...What letter should I submit for my spouse as I have not received any document addressed to my spouse?!

---> Should we choose the two way service by VFS, what are the charges for the same? And should two different packages be made or just one?

THANKS TO THIS AMAZONG FORUM! YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!!!

 

[wonderbly]

Hello everyone,

We have received the PPR.

Here is the timeline:

--> Primary applicant (Me): AOR: Feb 21st 2021
---> PA biometrics --> April 21
--> We got married in December 2021 and added my spouse to the profile post that
--> Added to profile on June 20th 2022 (submitted all documents, Schedule A, marriage proof etc.)
--->Remed request for PA and first time medicals for dependent for me June 22nd 2022
---> Meds pass July 4th 2022
--> My biometrics August 16th 2022
--> PPR email on 25th August!!
--> COR, Delhi, India


Hope everyone gets the mail on the forum!

I have a few questions and I would be grateful for any help:

-->The PPR document starts with the following, correct? Please confirm the same --> "The processing of your application for permanent residence in Canada is almost complete. You must complete the following steps within 30 days in order for our office to issue your Confirmation of Permanent Residence and, if applicable, your permanent residence visa" This is THE PPR correct? Or should I wait for any more documents?

---> The PPR is addressed to the principal applicant only? My spouse has not received any document and the one in the GC Key portal is in my husband's name. Please confirm.

--> We are looking at physically going to the VFS centre and submitting the passport, however, the VFS webform asks for number of passport submission for which we have selected "2" and it also asks for "Please upload the first page of each applicant's passport submission letter "...What letter should I submit for myself as I have not received any document addressed to me!

---> Should we choose the two way service by VFS, what are the charges for the same? And should two different packages be made or just one?

THANKS TO THIS AMAZONG FORUM! YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!!!

Congratulations, yes that is PPR. Your post is quite confusing. You are the principal applicant right? So the PPR is addressed to you, or to your husband? How can the PPR be addressed to you (PA) but at the same time be in the name of your husband? I don't get it.

Each applicant listed on the application in the GCKey account should each get their own PPR letter.