Yes true. even they changed NOC codes which will be now implemented by November so I think we can safely predict some time next year changes in EE will come into effect.
July draw predictions
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Ask Kubeir was saying he is expecting cutoff to be 500+, I wonder if by chance a separate CEC draw can happen because no way most CEC people will have anywhere near 500+
A separate CEC draw was a temporary measure during the pandemic. Now everything is coming back to the normal pre-pandemic time where separate CEC draw never existed.
There is no indication that they would continue with CEC-only draws. I know thry promised pathways for international graduates but not sure how that fits into the whole sheme.
It would be fair to give CEC applicants a chance, because this situation of over-accumulated FSW never happened before, but I am not sure they would do that.
I wonder what is the average CEC applicant score.
It would be fair to give CEC applicants a chance, because this situation of over-accumulated FSW never happened before, but I am not sure they would do that.
I wonder what is the average CEC applicant score.
I think there will be some special programs for CEC inland applicants based on Mr. Fraser’s comments and what’s stated in the mandate letter to Mr. Fraser by the PM is to retain in-land workers who are already here. He also said it once that he doesn’t want to work against himself by screwing inland applicants and there could be a CEC draw also ( you never know) or a different program altogether for temporary foreign workers. I am also thinking that PNPs were assigned somewhere close to 80k qouta for 2022 admissions but so far with half of the year almost gone I see only close to 10k invites , so not sure if they can use this qouta elsewhere if PNPs wont use it. There will probably be an update to immigration plan in November of this year.
By the way I am a CEC candidate with 508 CRS score
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That is an excellent score. Did you pass French to get there?
My wife is a principal applicant. We are currently at 483 but I am to take English test. She will also have two years of experience in October, so hopefully it's not late. We should have 500+ points early in October or so. We got there because of her French test.
I know about the mandate letter, but we didn't see much of it so far. Work permits were extended, but it left many people ineligible. Also, it doesn't mean much for draws themselves.
I know there is a motion 44 that should create new pathways for temporary workers, but not sure how it will benefit graduates. Because I think it will be NOC based? The whole point of CEC was to get permanent residence based on Canadian experience in (almost) any NOC 0, A or B occupation. It is the core idea of the program. Any new pathway or program would need to take that into account. Alternatively, simply do not make big changes (NOC draws) for CEC applicants.
I am not sure if they can switch some PNP spots for FSW and CEC, but I believe the provinces will start inviting more people once the regular draws begin.
My wife is a principal applicant. We are currently at 483 but I am to take English test. She will also have two years of experience in October, so hopefully it's not late. We should have 500+ points early in October or so. We got there because of her French test.
I know about the mandate letter, but we didn't see much of it so far. Work permits were extended, but it left many people ineligible. Also, it doesn't mean much for draws themselves.
I know there is a motion 44 that should create new pathways for temporary workers, but not sure how it will benefit graduates. Because I think it will be NOC based? The whole point of CEC was to get permanent residence based on Canadian experience in (almost) any NOC 0, A or B occupation. It is the core idea of the program. Any new pathway or program would need to take that into account. Alternatively, simply do not make big changes (NOC draws) for CEC applicants.
I am not sure if they can switch some PNP spots for FSW and CEC, but I believe the provinces will start inviting more people once the regular draws begin.
No , didn’t pass French to get there but got CLB 10 in English CELPIP , got 2 years exp in Canada , overall exp -12 years with that I reach 458 and then I add 50 points for LMIA exempt job offer from my current Canadian employer listed on my permit which makes it 508.Anything that you can do to take it to 500+ do it. With the current composition of the pool I think 480+ should make it eventually.
I was thinking the same that any new program will be kind of duplicate, so it may be bundled with the NOC specific draw bill where they will create these multiple steams/categories and once that bill is passed it be possible to invite specific category in-land people , but this wont happen until 2023. In 2022 they might do something special( just a speculation) like TR to PR based on the comments that have been made as many of permits are expiring.
@raghavgrover That sounds great. (Your score).
And yes, eventually- but that's the thing. We are worried that the rules would change, because nobody knows what the new NOC-specific thing might bring. Do you guys feel it would include CEC, too? Or would CEC remain non-NOC specific?
Tbh, we are hoping that the rules stay the same until next year. Then with a score around 490 we might be selected. Or if they start with the new system, that there would be French draws.
Or else, hope that CEC rules don't change. Or that my wife's NOC (4011) is selected, although not sure if it's in demand (there are simply not that many univeristy professor and instructor places vs candidates. The occupation is in demand in some provinces but not sure about Canadian level).
In any case, I am not sure that the NOC specific draws would be for highly educated candidates, except some occupations in tech and health (maybe some engeneering?) I feel it is more to give a chance to people with a bit lower qualifications but working in in-demand jobs, that would not have high enough CRS score otherwise, and who do not fit into the skilled trades. And you know what? That's fair. I only wish it didn't mean completely stopping the established general draws for candidates with high points. People worked hard to get there and it sucks if they changed the rules completely all of a sudden. (Yes, I know they can do that and all).
I still feel that a flexible series of draws (general, Noc-specificc, language, etc.) is a better system than completely ignoring general draws. And I know we are still not sure how they want to do this, but the immigration consultants in videos all seem pretty sure that it will be a new way completely and not combined with general draws. (Idk where they got that, but it's a tendency I saw).
And yes, eventually- but that's the thing. We are worried that the rules would change, because nobody knows what the new NOC-specific thing might bring. Do you guys feel it would include CEC, too? Or would CEC remain non-NOC specific?
Tbh, we are hoping that the rules stay the same until next year. Then with a score around 490 we might be selected. Or if they start with the new system, that there would be French draws.
Or else, hope that CEC rules don't change. Or that my wife's NOC (4011) is selected, although not sure if it's in demand (there are simply not that many univeristy professor and instructor places vs candidates. The occupation is in demand in some provinces but not sure about Canadian level).
In any case, I am not sure that the NOC specific draws would be for highly educated candidates, except some occupations in tech and health (maybe some engeneering?) I feel it is more to give a chance to people with a bit lower qualifications but working in in-demand jobs, that would not have high enough CRS score otherwise, and who do not fit into the skilled trades. And you know what? That's fair. I only wish it didn't mean completely stopping the established general draws for candidates with high points. People worked hard to get there and it sucks if they changed the rules completely all of a sudden. (Yes, I know they can do that and all).
I still feel that a flexible series of draws (general, Noc-specificc, language, etc.) is a better system than completely ignoring general draws. And I know we are still not sure how they want to do this, but the immigration consultants in videos all seem pretty sure that it will be a new way completely and not combined with general draws. (Idk where they got that, but it's a tendency I saw).
I forgot to comment on this. I see what you mean, and that would be great, but I fear that they might feel that they covered it with extensions of PGWP. For those working under other types of permits, they might make a new policy but it seems like they only want those working in specific NOCs. Which yes, it will be like TR to PR I suppose, except for the graduates
I still hope that they will do more for international graduates than simply extending PGWP because it doesn't solve anything if future draws are NOC specific and one doesn't work in a selected occupation.For 2022 draws you can pretty much relax , as the rules won’t change at all. The bill that’s tabled for the first reading has to go through so much of the process as of now to become law that it won’t happen until early to mid-2023.
When it does I don’t think they are removing express entry streams- cec/faw/fst rather it would add more filtration on top of these programs by creating a category based on certain factors for each draw e.g. general draw, score 450+, education in Heath care , 2 years exp in Canada , noc - xxxx or it could be general draw as the law gives flexibility to Mr Fraser to target some specific people which I don’t think he will do for the entire year but I expect 50% of the draws at minimum be based on some additional criteria and don’t think this will be completely new.
And i definitely feel they should do something more to retain temporary foreign workers as just extending pgwp aint going to cover everyone and frankly it doesnt work best in their interest as employers lose employees and canada loses them too in a market which has labor shortages , I hope that’s not the case and if it is then it’s just ways for the politician’s to say something and then just forget about it lol.
I hate that they are not open about this so we have to make guesses. I do hope everything stays the same until 2023, but how can we be sure that they won't rush the law?
PGWP extension was a good move, but it doesn't help at all in the long run if that's all they had. Because, like you said, not everyone is eligible (and not everyone works under PGWP). And even for PGWP holders, extensions mean nothing if there is no realistic chance for people to get a PR. They can extend it for 5 years but it would mean nothing if draws become NOC-specific only. At one point, all those PGWPs are going to expire, and if there is no way to get a PR, extension means nothing. So I hope they intend to do something more.
I emphasize graduates and PGWP because that's our situation but I don't doubt it's also messy for temporary workers with other types of permits.
Canada claims that it wants to give a chance to graduates with work experience and to other temporary workers, so let's see it. (Because NOC-specific thing is not that. Tbh, neither is competing with 2 years of FSW backlog, but at least there people had some control over it: learn languages, maximize points. With NOC-specific stuff that makes most people ineligible, I am not sure how that can be achieved).
Unless the proposed flexibility also means some CEC-specific draws, or a new policy. OR simply not making CEC NOC-specific.
PGWP extension was a good move, but it doesn't help at all in the long run if that's all they had. Because, like you said, not everyone is eligible (and not everyone works under PGWP). And even for PGWP holders, extensions mean nothing if there is no realistic chance for people to get a PR. They can extend it for 5 years but it would mean nothing if draws become NOC-specific only. At one point, all those PGWPs are going to expire, and if there is no way to get a PR, extension means nothing. So I hope they intend to do something more.
I emphasize graduates and PGWP because that's our situation but I don't doubt it's also messy for temporary workers with other types of permits.
Canada claims that it wants to give a chance to graduates with work experience and to other temporary workers, so let's see it. (Because NOC-specific thing is not that. Tbh, neither is competing with 2 years of FSW backlog, but at least there people had some control over it: learn languages, maximize points. With NOC-specific stuff that makes most people ineligible, I am not sure how that can be achieved).
Unless the proposed flexibility also means some CEC-specific draws, or a new policy. OR simply not making CEC NOC-specific.
I agree with you man, we should not have to make guesses here and this is the biggest complaint everyone has - providing transparency to people. I also think their policy has to be inclusive for PGWP, Temp workers etc but not sure if they care about everyone ( just like they left out some people when they announced the policy of pgwp extensions). Everyone is like stuck in the limbo where people have put their plans on hold in hopes of getting PR. I know of some people who jumped ship and moved to US, Australia and even UK as it has been welcoming immigrants now. If I dont get PR within 2023 I am going to try for US very hard then.
Though I dont think they will rush the law but I get it you never know , but if you see the first meeting, that was a major point raised by some member like how are you going to define categories, how is it going to be fair, how will you ensure others are not impacted negatively in the system and very vague responses were given or they did not even have the information . I think that bill will need a lot of amendments to make it through and there are a lot of phases it has to go through so I am thinkin nothing before 2023.
I also agree that just NOC specific won't be inclusive, so it has to be along side general draws just like before and can't be just NOC based everytime as it will be totally unfair(they may not care lol) and express entry system won't make a whole lot of sense then.
Though I dont think they will rush the law but I get it you never know , but if you see the first meeting, that was a major point raised by some member like how are you going to define categories, how is it going to be fair, how will you ensure others are not impacted negatively in the system and very vague responses were given or they did not even have the information . I think that bill will need a lot of amendments to make it through and there are a lot of phases it has to go through so I am thinkin nothing before 2023.
I also agree that just NOC specific won't be inclusive, so it has to be along side general draws just like before and can't be just NOC based everytime as it will be totally unfair(they may not care lol) and express entry system won't make a whole lot of sense then.
Sent PM.
I'm on same boat. Current CRS at 476 without employer offer letter. I'm looking for a draft/template for employer offer letter to get additional 50 points in the format accepted by IRCC.