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My pr expire how long i.need.to.wait to.renw.it

Medmhn

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in.canada rigth now but i dont.know if im provided, to meet the requirements to be physically present in Canada as a permanent resident or no im.residence sens 12 sptember 2007. I travel.alor back.home .last time i.went. for.more.than.359 days bec.my wife.was pregent so.is.stay longtime ..i get confused when i.use.the.calculator residence .it show.me that i.vethe absence days for the last 5 years is 1164 days and the presence.days for.the last 5years starting.from.07may2012 until 07may 2017 is 838 and i do ve most of.absence.is.i.went home to support my wife when.she is.pregnet
So.i.dont.know if.i.can aplay.to.renw.my pr or.no.and how.long.i.need.to.wait
I dont.know how to.calculate it as i told.u im.residence.sens.12 spetember 2007 and.i.renw.my.pr 2 time.
So.how incalculte the last 5years?
 

Rob_TO

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Nov 7, 2012
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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Seoul, Korea
App. Filed.......
13-07-2012
AOR Received.
18-08-2012
File Transfer...
21-08-2012
Med's Done....
Sent with App
Passport Req..
N/R - Exempt
VISA ISSUED...
30-10-2012
LANDED..........
16-11-2012
You need 730 days in the past 5 years.

So if you're calculating today, that means you need 730 days in Canada from June 30, 2012 to June 30, 2017. Preferably you will have much more than 730 days, else your renewal app could go for secondary review and be a very long processing time.

If you don't have 730 days in that time, you can't apply to renew your PR card or it will result in rejection and revoking of your PR status.
 

Medmhn

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Jun 30, 2017
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Thankso much for ur answer .i.do.make calculating from.30june 2012 and this the result
2012 : physical present day.150
2013: ...............149 days
2014 ................110days
2015:.................112 days
2016: ..............83 days
2017: ..............60days
Totatal.days in Canada from June 30, 2012 to June 30, 2017 is 664 .
730_664= 66days
Is that corrcect and.I need to.wait 66days only.than aplay.to.renw my pr?
Thank.u.for ur help
And is there any problem bec I spent more.than 1095 for the last 5years
 

Rob_TO

VIP Member
Nov 7, 2012
11,426
1,551
Toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Seoul, Korea
App. Filed.......
13-07-2012
AOR Received.
18-08-2012
File Transfer...
21-08-2012
Med's Done....
Sent with App
Passport Req..
N/R - Exempt
VISA ISSUED...
30-10-2012
LANDED..........
16-11-2012
Thankso much for ur answer .i.do.make calculating from.30june 2012 and this the result
2012 : physical present day.150
2013: ...............149 days
2014 ................110days
2015:.................112 days
2016: ..............83 days
2017: ..............60days
Totatal.days in Canada from June 30, 2012 to June 30, 2017 is 664 .
730_664= 66days
Is that corrcect and.I need to.wait 66days only.than aplay.to.renw my pr?
Thank.u.for ur help
And is there any problem bec I spent more.than 1095 for the last 5years
When exactly were the days in 2012 ??

If they were all around June/July time, then as you gain days now those old days would fall outside the 5 year window. i.e. today is July 1, so if you had a day counting on June 30, 2012... that day no longer counts since it's outside 5 years from today. Today's day would just replace it.

You are currently in violation of the RO, so if you do any interaction with IRCC, or attempt to leave/re-enter Canada, either could cause your PR status to be revoked.

You need to stay in Canada until you have more than 730 days in 5 years from the day you make the calculation.
 

Medmhn

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In 2012 I only leave canada on 2012_10_22 to 2012_33_25= 33 abcense days.so.even I do my calculation is still.ve 663 present days in canada is that correct?
So I need to wait
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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In 2012 I only leave canada on 2012_10_22 to 2012_33_25= 33 abcense days.so.even I do my calculation is still.ve 663 present days in canada is that correct?
So I need to wait
Looks like you will need to wait well into 2018 . . . and how far into 2018 depends in part on what part of the year it was when in 2013 you spent 149 days in Canada.

Even if you wait that long, the odds are high you are going to encounter elevated scrutiny and a processing time much longer than that for routine applications. (If you do not wait, but apply in the near future, odds are the processing will not take so long but will go in the direction of a Residency Hearing and being issued a Departure Order.)

Beyond that, sooner or later (and probably sooner) you are on track to be flagged so that even if you are issued a new PR card you are likely to be closely examined for compliance with the PR Residency Obligation any time you return to Canada . . . remember, even when you are issued a new PR card, you must still always have spent at least 730 days in Canada within the preceding five years. It appears that in the past you have been able to enter Canada without much scrutiny in this regard, but that is not likely to continue.

Moreover, given the extensive absences and ties abroad, it would be wise to be sure you keep thorough records to show actual presence in Canada. Your history could invite IRCC or CBSA (in PoE examinations) to approach your accounting of time in Canada with doubt or skepticism, and not accept your accounting unless you have strong proof to document actual time in Canada.

A calculation detail:

If as of today you have been in Canada 663 days since July 1, 2012, and that counts the rest of 2012 minus 33 days (for days absent in second half of 2012), if you stay in Canada now until the first of January 2018 you will still be 34 days short of the required 730.


Application for PR card and prospect of losing PR status:

Just being short of 730 days as of the day a person makes the PRC application will not necessarily result in the loss of PR status. Many PRs short at the time of applying are nonetheless adding more days while the application is in process. Thus if they are short by only a month or two, even a little more, by the time their application is actually being assessed they are either in compliance or very close to compliance. IRCC does not ordinarily schedule an admissibility hearing for such PRs (they are more likely to end up in SR and IRCC will mostly verify the PR has been and is staying in Canada).

In contrast, those who are way short are likely to be scheduled for a formal Residency Determination hearing, an admissibility hearing. These applicants typically will not be referred to SR but will be scheduled for such a hearing (perhaps after a request to submit residency related information and documentation, including any H&C reasons). And of course if their H&C reasons do not persuade IRCC to allow them to keep PR status, they will be issued a Departure Order.

You fall into this group because even as you stay in Canada, the amount of time you can count for the preceding five years remains well below the minimum PR RO threshold, and it appears it will continue to do so for at least a month or more into 2018. (As has already been pointed out to you, this is because days you stay now are offset by days you lose from five years ago.)

I go into this detail because you have essentially reached or at least nearly reached the stage where you really need to be settled in Canada, working and staying in Canada for the long term. If you want to keep PR status anyway. It is probable that you are either at the point IRCC and CBSA will more strictly examine and enforce the rules against you, or you are very close to reaching that point. Most likely you are at the stage where you need to decide whether you will live in Canada or not, and if that decision is to live in Canada, then that is what you need to do.
 

Medmhn

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If I stay in.canada until 2018 what min Canada 663 days since July 1, 2012, and that counts the rest of 2012 minus 33 days (for days absent in second half of 2012), if you stay in Canada now until the first of January 2018 you will still be 34 days short of the required 730.ounth I can I aplay for renw pr? Mars or april .can u advise me.
(in Canada 663 days since July 1, 2012, and that counts the rest of 2012 minus 33 days (for days absent in second half of 2012), if you .)
 

Medmhn

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This is all list of
so my absence days in Canada .so.plz I hope.u.can.give the last anwser afte u do the calculation because.I really thank u sosoos much for ur help and advise.all I need to know when I can renw my pr.im not.leaving canada because my wife.and. 2 daugther 4 years and 9mounth old coming.they ve tourist visa. So no need for.me to travel and I can stay .but all I wana know when.I ve the rigth to aply for it.



2012_10_22 to 2102_11_25 days33
2013_03_23 to 2013_04_06. Days 13
2013_05_21 to 2013_10_21 days 152
2013_11_10 to 2014_09_11 days304
2014_12_28 to 2015_01_28 days 30
2015_05_19 to 2016_10_01 days504
2016_12_22 to2017_05_05 days 133
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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This is all list of
so my absence days in Canada .so.plz I hope.u.can.give the last anwser afte u do the calculation because.I really thank u sosoos much for ur help and advise.all I need to know when I can renw my pr.im not.leaving canada because my wife.and. 2 daugther 4 years and 9mounth old coming.they ve tourist visa. So no need for.me to travel and I can stay .but all I wana know when.I ve the rigth to aply for it.



2012_10_22 to 2102_11_25 days33
2013_03_23 to 2013_04_06. Days 13
2013_05_21 to 2013_10_21 days 152
2013_11_10 to 2014_09_11 days304
2014_12_28 to 2015_01_28 days 30
2015_05_19 to 2016_10_01 days504
2016_12_22 to2017_05_05 days 133
I am no expert and I am not qualified to give personal advice. You not only are asking for personal advice, you are asking others to do the calculations for you.

Moreover, since it is not about a right to apply for a new PR Card, but rather about when is the best time to apply, about when you could apply with minimal risk of a formal Residency examination which could result in being issued a Departure Order, which also depends to some extent on future events, there is no definite answer.

That said, it appears that you may finally be in compliance with the PR Residency Obligation (when you will have spent 730 days in Canada within the preceding five years) perhaps mid-June 2018 (this is based on days more than five years ago continuing to drop out of the calculation, given that you will still be 30 days or so short as of January 2018 and for all but 13 days until the 21st of May for every day you are present you lose a day from early 2013).

Even then, when you can finally count 730+ days in Canada within the preceding five years, before you apply for a new PR card it would be best to wait a bit longer to be sure you have a margin over the minimum.

Remember, too, to not apply to sponsor your spouse or children until you are in compliance with the PR RO.

A lot can happen between now and June 2018. It appears you need to just settle in for the long haul and wait. Revisit these questions late next spring or early summer.